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"the most accurate predictor of the final results in the last three presidential elections — calling the outcomes within 0.9 percent of the actual tally in 2004, 2008, and 2012."

http://nypost.com/2016/10/23/trump-...-best-track-record-over-last-three-elections/

 

Actually, the LA Times is a very far left fish wrapper. But they do have a few people there that draw distinctions worth remembering. Some guy there called Obama the "magic negro." It was the first time that anyone said that. Rush Limbaugh picked up on it and repeated it many times. The guy that wrote it was a well known libtard. That's what makes it so ironic. The world blames Rush for starting it. It's just more double standard BS from the left wing.

The only election this is like is the Jimmy Carter / Ronald Reagan election. They had Carter up by as much as 15 points going into election day. They claimed that Reagan would start WWIII. What a contrast from the fantasy world that prediction turned out to be. The peanut farmer was the worst president ever until the magic negro showed up.

 

lol and true !

 

Unfortunately this sort of hatred carries on for generations. There were atrocities on both sides I'm sure, yet generations latch on to only what happened to their forefathers, therefore never move on even though events happened over 100 years ago. Same as Greeks and Turks hating one another. Protestants and Catholics in Northern Ireland, what transpired in Serbia, Bosnia, Albania will carry on for generation after generation. So much bad blood passed on, explains why so many ameriKans still like to fly the racist confederate flag and why your country is so deeply divided and will remain so for a long long time to come. The more 'some' whites resent Black people, the more staunch, militant Black people become, which just perpetuates it-self.

However ameriKa is making progress as the nations First Black President complete his final few months after 8 years in office (you people must be so proud that your country has progressed so far in the last 240 years) and it is not over yet as you prepare to vote in the first female President. This is so amazing for race and gender equality, stand up and take a bow. Will Bill be referred to as The First Gentleman / man I wonder?

 

You are such a pathetic slime of a pretentious puke brained sludge. Here is where we differ completely you fakezoid jerk. You think that judging by the color of his skin being black makes it good. And you think that any first woman president is meaningful. Try looking and understanding these words you waste of humanity.

"I have a dream that my four little children will one day live in a nation where they will not be judged by the color of their skin, but by the content of their character."

Hillary's character is bull shit. Obama's character is stupidity. Your character is Koolaid drinker. Now fuck off bigot.

 

I am not going to argue polls with you. Just like a certain candidate, if you go looking, you can find a poll that reflects what you would like to see. But that is not very objective.

Fox News, an organization that isn't exactly left leaning, has excluded these 3 polls from the polls that it takes their average from because these polls are just not credible for different reasons. LA Times is an online poll that allows people to vote multiple times (similar to the drudge report). Rasmussen is doing robo-calls to the same group of people. This selection of voters does not include cell phones and just like in 2012, this means there selection is skewed towards older voters. IBD/TIPP is using acceptable polling methods, but their sample selection polled is made up of a larger number of republicans than democrats, which goes against actual registration and voting history. They are doing this because they believe there is greater enthusiasm among republicans than democrats, which may or may not turn out to be true. But this is not an accepted technique among objective pollsters. I mean sure if I polled 100 people and 75% were registered libertarian, I'll bet Gary Johnson would do real well.

Best polling method is to take a number polls from legitimate respected pollsters and average them out. Real clear politics, Fox News, and CNN all do this and all have Hillary up from 6 to 8 points.

But in my mind, perhaps the best predictor is the betting markets. People actually putting money down, as oppose to who they want to win. The betting markets have Trump at either 9/2 or 5-1, and Hillary at 1-5 or 1-6. That is huge odds in a two person race.

 

Well done.

Do you really have four little children Gizmo? I will assume yes. They are precious aren't they, I know TG has a child, of what age I do not know, in fact there are a few who are fathers that have participated in this thread. Parents cherish their children don't they Frisk. We give unconditional love to our children don't we Glen, we nurture them when they are helpless and if you where there for the birth of your first, I will admit there is no greater feeling for a father, so powerful a moment, it's primeval in a sense seeing your off-spring for the first time, knowing your blood line will continue.

So many precious memories; first, second birthday, when they walk for the first time, first words, when they call you moma, dadda for the first time, start eating solid food. First day at kindy, school, when they giggle, laugh, when we bounce them on our knee, fall asleep with them on our chest. We'll do anything for our children, love and to protect them, I certainly would for mine, how about you?

Now imagine for one minute the fear of a child as total carnage takes place around it, the first thing a child does is look to it's parents for protection, except mommie, daddy aren't around. As a parent you know your child better than anybody else, so it shouldn't be that difficult to put yourself in their shoes. Terror, panic, fear, confusion on an unprecedented scale, where's mommie, daddy to protect me, crying, utter horror during the moments before searing pain rips through their TINY body as their limbs are separated from their bodies, holes the size of golf balls punching their torso.

As a parent we pray that they had a quick death and didn't suffer, unfortunately they did suffer, they suffered horrendous fear on an unimaginable scale, one which only a child who doesn't comprehend the adult world can experience, witnessing the horror and fear on the faces of their friends, knowing their turn maybe be next. Bodies so badly mutilated that parents weren't allowed to view the remains, kiss them goodbye, express how sorry you are for not being able to protect them, not being there. Imagine how sick you would feel if it was your child. Well they were somebodies child, some parent has to grieve. As a parent do you think you would ever come to terms with it, get over that pain? It is a burden you carry for the rest of your life.

Is the thought easer to handle because it was somebody else's child rather than your own? As a society has ameriKa become so desensitized that it is palatable because it's another parents nightmare and not yours? WHY, so you can uphold the constitution, would you sacrifice your child Gizmo <insert your name> for the constitution? Does a 240 yr old document written when it was incomprehensible the sort of weapons that would be developed by mankind, mean that much to you. Yes we withhold the constitution because it was happened to somebody else not me, therefore don't have to live it everyday.

One sick warmongering, gun crazed society.

Sandyhook Dec 14th 2012

Sadly not the only event where children have been murdered for the sake of freedom.

 

Wow - I wish that I had more time this morning to reply to that... it's going to have to wait.

 

The irony is he is lecturing on hate with hate filled rants. It's not worth replying to. He's never going to change. He is stuck on stupid.

 

What a load of Sophistry, another word that starts with "S."

The oversampling that is going on is in the DemFucks.

Proof: http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-...em-playbook-rigging-polls-through-oversamples

 

Junk in the jockstrap. You are one dim-bulb of a libtard. The person that had written that quote, that had four children, is dead. He was murdered by a liberal asshole just like you, bigot.

 

Well it doesn't matter if you are a childless lonely old man, it simply lessens your empathy and understanding. What's the usual mantra guns and bullets don't kill in the right hands, only nutters do. It's a bit like having a right angled coffee table in the lounge and a toddle unsteady on their feet, well it wasn't the coffee tables fault the child stumbled and cracked it's head, lost an eye. As a responsible parent you remove potential dangerous obstacles, how do you cater for a lunatic with a gun? When you send your child to school you don't expect to next see your child in a morgue. That is the fucking mad society you have in ameriKa because of your right to bear arms.

I'm not fully conversed with the ins and out of your 240 yrs old constitution, but wasn't the right to bear arms due to at the time, to protect the people against a possible tyrannical government, seeing there was no United States army or even a National Guard at the time. Yes I can see the merit in bearing arms, as you're justice system has resulted in a fair few riots (Rodney King, Watts, Newark), so understand people wanting to protect themselves and families from people that have been oppressed for over 400 years.
Military grade armoury AR15 firing 80 rounds per minute, gonna use that going hunting aye, are you people nuts?

Quite a few have tried to legislate common sense into your society such as not being able to buy a gun without ID as some boot fair, but your NRA and warmongering mentality is too strong, too embedded into your stupid psyche. "God damn we have raped, murdered and persecuted those nigga's for 400 years, we better arm ourselves in case they decide to get all uppity and come looking for some payback", is that your fear?

I thought the dreadful event at Sandy Hook, read Bernardino, Colorado Springs, Roseburg, Columbine, Charleston, Ft Hood, Washington DC, might finally make people see sense and make a change, nope, not a chance in hell. So keep grieving for your children, the next massacre is just around the corner, you know that. You Yanks sure do love killing each other on an unprecedented scale, been at it since the year dot and ain't gonna stop now, currently standing at 32,000 per year.
I've no idea how your politics work, other than they obviously don't, what rules what, the Senate, Congress. Obama wanted to enact change and couldn't, Trump simple wants to arm teachers WTF.

Why is it so easy that nutjobs and cranks are able to get hold of high powered guns and amass so many bullets, are you people so pig-eared, dense that you can't see something is wrong.
Yes you are entitled to say it's none of my business, except when you direct your blood-thirst outwards, you end up dragging other countries into the mix, anything ameriKa does, you can bet other nations such as the United Kingdom and Australia are gonna be right up your arse supporting you all the way (thanks to war criminals such as Blair and Howard). Let's face it, you really don't care about individual sons and daughters, plenty more where they came from, fuck people in the US are killing each other in greater numbers on the home front than most battles, just drape the coffin in a Stars and Stripe flag and move on.

Of course the likes of what Piers Morgan and what I say on this board doesn't count, because we are outsiders.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...ple-care-2nd-amendment-couldn-t-care-1st.html

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...lives-prove-weren-t-just-crocodile-tears.html

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/p...t-after-the-charleston-shooting-10329046.html

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...r-bullets-destroyed-lives-San-Bernardino.html

It's not hatred, more of a sad observation and some of you have the disillusionment of considering your country the greatest nation on earth while we elsewhere simply shake our heads.

 

Correct. Turbo's just wrong on this. I'm sure he knows he's wearing rose-colored glasses (or gold, in the case of Trump). I'd lay -300 with Clinton right now if anyone wants to bite, and it's not a left/right thing. It's a money thing. I had Romney when he ran at 12-1 via good timing.

 

As to the gun-crazed, war-mongering: hey, if you're gonna spend a gazillion dollars on "defense," no sense not using it. Welcome to capitalism. If you convince people on one block they need guns, not too hard to convince people on the next block they need bigger, better guns. It's the way of the world.

Yeah, the US doesn't always make the top 10 in educational testing, or quality of life, or socioeconomic mobility when compared to other countries. But we're consistently top 10 in energy use, gun ownership, incarceration rates, and Alzheimer's rates. Don't you see how they all tie together? It's God's plan.

 

It was 2002 ( I believe) when Hillary was running for US Senator in New York. There was this AOL chat room " From the Right" / Hillary for Senator ."


AOL shut down this chat room because" they did not like the tone ".

 

God damn it, JK. I was getting all fired up for a lively debate and then you had to bring Piers fucking Morgan into it. I expect an apology; not to me but to yourself. Fortunately I'm about due for another head injury, so imma keep this tidbit right on the surface. May it be knocked out, never to return again. Piers fucking Morgan ><

But let's have it, then. I'll admit you lost me from the jump doing the typical emotional tuggage. Sorry pard, shit don't work like that. I mean, it does for many, which is why we and our cousins across the pond have such idiotic warnings and safety devices on every goddamned thing. But facts is facts, and that what most should work with.

You a Holden man? I cant imagine you in a Vauxhall, so let's pretend you are. How much grief do you experience when you bump down to the local C store? Do you feel yourself overcome by wretched guilt every time you turn the key? I doubt you do, because you're not retarded or otherwise sick in the head. What about when you take an aspirin? Or have a campfire? Or? Or? Or? See, you could pause all child death except for that caused by guns, and it'd take DECADES for gun deaths to reach the level of any one of these. Yes, it's a gods be damned tragedy what has happened over here, but making it a case against guns is simple bad facts. It immediately signifies bias and shows your game is rigged from the jump.

Ditto for that 32,000 horseshit. Perhaps you're not savvy to the cause, but that number reflects all gun deaths, including accidents and suicides. Sad? Sure. I can empathize and see how wrenching either could be. But guilt? Shame? Please. Gun homicides stand at around 11k a year. In other words, an amount so low I cannot compare it to anything because no one can be arsed to track shit with such a relative lack of occurrence. Eleven thousand "bad uses", when Fifty Million gun owners possess Three Hundred Million firearms. That 0.02% of gun owners and 0.003% of guns. Ain't a company, group, or item on Earth that wouldn't kill for that failure rate, yet some will still try to promote the idea of "a problem". Pah.

T'aint about hunting, so it'd behoove you to drop that sad tripe. You sound like my fucking governor lol. Indeed the 2nd was written in a different time, but it's purpose remains the same. Governments kill people. They are a necessary entity, but they still go off the rails unchecked. Look at our own! As you decry all these brown folk from around the world being turned into paste by USA#1, that ain't me and my hand cannon. Ain't me and my boom stick, ain't me and my plinker, ain't me and my machine gun. THAT'S .gov. The same .gov I have to deal with every fucking day of my life. You wanna walk around unarmed with these fucking clowns loose? Not me. The 2nd was written to ensure .gov stays checked.

 

So then, members of BLM should all walk around armed to the teeth, ready, willing and able to meet unjustified deadly force with deadly force?

 

I dont buy the constitution angle vs corrupt govt. In that respect... the constitution is outdated.
The founding fathers are not in my opinion suggesting that today, private folks be able to possess nuclear weapons, stealth bombers, hand grenades. so that we can equally fight against a corrupt govt that owns those weapons.
Our cap pistols are useless against a corrupt govt currently.
Back in the 18th century, yes a bunch of muskets could defeat people manning a corrupt govts cannons. But today????? no match.

And freedom of speech? another "back in the day" philosophy.
Did the founding fathers know that a single person could post something that can kill 100s or thousands of people ...and can be seen by billions of people on something called the internet? And out of the billions of people who read it...only a tiny percentage of crazy people are needed to carry out the message.

 

I agree.... but wanted to put this out.
Since we in the US are supposedly war mongering and gun crazy......
and his tear-jerking story about Sandy Hook which is complete nonsense compared to the rest of the world that supposedly isn't war mongering and gun crazy.

Going back in time here from present back -
July 14, 2016 Nice, France 2016 Nice attack 84 deaths (not the US)
June 12, 2016 Orlando, Florida, United States Orlando massacre 50 (49 + the murderer)
November 13, 2015 Paris, France Bataclan massacre
(Shootings, hostage taking and suicide bombings) 130 (not the US)
July 23, 2015 Lafayette, Louisiana, United States 2015 Lafayette shooting 3
June 17, 2015 Charleston, South Carolina, United States Charleston church shooting 9
April 2, 2015 Garissa, Kenya Garissa University College attack 147 !!! not US
December 16, 2014 Peshawar, Pakistan 2014 Peshawar school massacre 148 !!! not US
August 2014 Sinjar District, Nineveh Governorate, Iraq Sinjar massacre 2000-5000 not US
May 2, 2014 Odessa, Ukraine 2014 Odessa clashes 48 not US

This list goes on and on and on and goes back to year 61
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_events_named_massacres

As I'm sure you can tell - it is something that happens ALL over the world, not in the US
as some result of (as you say) our gun crazy people. Correct ?
In the US - the WORST crime areas are the exact same areas that are democrat controlled -
look it up. They are also the places with the strictest gun laws in the country.
Why ?
Simple. Because people who would use guns legally to protect themselves can't get one - while
the criminals/scum have no problem breaking the laws and using them to kill others.

 

I think the problem isnt with the amount of guns per se.
I think the crime and killings come down to 2 things.
1- stuff ( george carlin rip)
2- fatherless households

Back when I grew up in the 60's.....there was no difference between rich kids and poor kids like me.....except they lived in a nicer house. We all had baseballs and basketballs, we all had cap guns, and sneakers and jeans.
NOW look at all the "stuff" there is to own", ...computers, video games, all kinds of electronics, TVs, music, designer clothes and sneakers.

And then add the above to households with no or little authority......you end up with poorly educated kids, in poorly educated households of little supervision.....going out on their own and getting the "stuff".

Sometimes they use guns to get the stuff, or use guns to get the money to buy the stuff. And if they banned guns....then they would find a way to get guns on the black market as they would flood into this country as easy as cocaine does.

I dont see supervision in households getting better over time. And I dont see the 'etch-a-sketch making a comeback..

the people who want to take a shortcut to getting all that "stuff" out there will always be able to get a black market gun.

And if guns are wiped off the planet...there would be a new weapon of choice. Maybe a Bow and arrow, maybe a machete maybe a sharp pencil....then are we going to bemoan the fact that there are too many sharp pencils in the world?

Just because people are poor doesnt mean they are more subject to commit crimes. When immigrants came to this country in the 1950's...they settled in poor communities...Italian, polish, jewish........and there wasnt alot of crime.....why??? because all the families had well supervised children...and well supervised children didnt buy guns.....they were too busy playing with a pencil shaped magnet putting metal shavings on the picture of a bald man.