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Baccarat 5 column statistics

Discussion in 'Baccarat Forum' started by violater777, Jan 5, 2018.

  1. soxfan

    soxfan Well-Known Member

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    Some cats like the john-O are good at changing things up on a fly. Other cats, like me prefer a dried and cut style, cuz I do sufficient testings to the point where I know that long term I'm gonna win well and regular. Si, I don't sweat the bad shoe, session, occasional bad weeks and such. Different cats have the different mindsets, and temperaments, hey hey.
     
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  2. mansi19896

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    but is this not what exactly you do. Thats how i understood your message : You have to find your own way, if you are expecting step by step instructions, that ain't gonna work. Nobody thinks the same and we all react different to pressure, elation.

    if your not following system then this is exactly what your doing, with own gut feeling. this is what goes under that category using senses and own instinct.
    There are no other possibilities, so which way it is you follow own working system or own senses, banker or player
     
  3. mansi19896

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    wait are you saying you are earning living too with own created strategy? how many peoples here are doing it, i thought its only violater in this topic and five
     
  4. Junket King

    Junket King Well-Known Member Compulsive Liar

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    No shit, been doing that for the last 12+hours. I have found there is no bet option that will win constantly. If you're bet mechanically like I do, I don't need the additional mental stress of taking a guess and getting it wrong. I get enough stress by simply losing hands when playing mechanically, I don't need any more.

    You have to control your losses on shoes that don't conform, this doesn't mean abandoning the shoe (unless it is extremely bad), rather back-off and slowly recoup the drawdown you have just been hit with. Having tried countless template bet options that hardly ever lose, yet occasionally do, what I look out for is any of my former bet options to lose on paper, then I take that bet for a few hands. Basically I'm placing a bunch of virtual losses in front of any given bet option, this works for me.

    As an example, you could apply anything you like, but for the sake of simplicity, let's say you were a former DBL bettor, but gave it up due to a shoe which had an abundance of 2's. So you are playing another way, you notice 5 or more series of 2's. Shit if you were playing DBL then that is 10 losses in a row you would have been hit with. But you're playing another way, so you got hit with nothing!! When the current run of 2's ends (or not, up to you), now you could consider switching to DBL for a few hands (hopefully the 2's won't return). I'm doing this with former template options which I have used in the past. I might notice something and think shit, if I was playing xyz some time back, I've just been hit with 6LIAR, which is very rare, so will tack on or give priority to this bet selection for the remainder of this shoe only.

    It's a bit like "waiting for a bet selection to lose", before taking the bet, but without the wait, because you were doing something else. Obviously to gain maximum benefit doing this sort of stuff, you have be a template player, otherwise this is probably lost on you!!! It can more or less guarantee a winning bet within a series of bets dependant on how many virtual losses you have put in front on it. So it's a couple of small bet, lose those and you can gear change and wham, leaving something in the tank just in case you have to go one more round. After all you are dealing with random and even randomness which can't be defined, does has it's limits.

    Earlier I was running for a few shoes 4 Col BBPP using a Fibonacci, got hit by 4LIAR about 3 or 4 times, I was playing a higher units, so things got a bit twitchy. I haven't used that for years cos' I know it can get real ugly. I rode my luck and stopped after 4 shoes, cos' using my gut was telling me, my luck ain't gonna hold out and the 80 or so units I made, I will end up giving back if I continue doing what I'm doing, despite the 16/1 odds of not getting hit.

    Absolutely nothing wrong with the bet selection, it was the Fibonacci that was making me very nervous, way to easy to lose 6iar or worst. So reverted to my usual style, while incorporating "BBPP", rather using my strings MM option. Right on queue I was hitting 4LIAR, big deal, recouped next time around, avoiding the damage which a Fibo can inflict. I've had a good long long session, just shy of nearly 200 units, gonna walk the dog then catch some Zzzz'z..

    IMO if ya wanna improve your game, get your head around templates, been playing this way for well over 10 years!!! ;)
     
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  5. Junket King

    Junket King Well-Known Member Compulsive Liar

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    Bob nailed it in his post above. MM is flexible, bet selection is not.

    I have my prime bet option(s) two of them, these are fixed, no gut feeling. Other bet options I might use here and there depending on what I see within my template, again there would be logic behind these, such as observing prior virtual losses. When I look at the score board, then those would be very low "gut feeling" type of bets, so don't do much damage either way and maintains interest in game. It is the money management that is most important and needs the most flexibility. It can only come from experimenting and table experience. Regards the human side, discipline, control & composure etc, there is a saying "you have to burn before you learn".
     
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  6. soxfan

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    I ain't play now for over three month but for over 12 year I made my only form of active income bucking up against the baccarats for my fulltimes gig, hey hey.
     
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  7. mansi19896

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    so you really found way to overcome casinos?. hey, hey indeed thats impressive.
    But what now, may i ask for you to share your strategy :O i just read your another post where you post craps strategy to a friend. is that the one you kept winning?
     

  8. Jon Wick

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    If I may ask, where did you get this data? Also do you have occurrences for columns of 4? Thanks in advance and your contribution in this forum.
     
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  9. Junket King

    Junket King Well-Known Member Compulsive Liar

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    Yeah I have the 4 col stats, somebody collate results from Wiz shoes, Zumma, my shoes, everywhere possible (don't recall). To be honest they are meaningless, it all boils down to your staking plan.
     
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    If you don't mind, can you please post 4 col stats so I can have it? It would be greatly appreciated. Thanks in advance.
     
  11. Junket King

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    Not being funny, but it would be a waste of my time and yours. I got this data over a decade ago, don't you think I didn't pour over it at the time? Explore every conceivable avenue looking for something? It wouldn't matter if my shoes where x2 or x10, it is all meaningless, all that matters is what happens at the table you are sitting at, not 10 million hands or whatever that somebody collated over a decade ago.

    There are trillions and trillions of possible shoes combinations, so pouring over 100k shoes is kinda daft, there are 16x 4 hand possible combinations, with BBBB being the most common only because of the number of hands in the data set, no prize for guessing the least common combo.
     
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    Excellent post, I can see the simulation junkies turning pale and tossing their cookies and beer in their lap. I can see the book writers double over with gag reflex and getting ready to blame soxfan for god knows what, yeah it was him that ruined it for the world , thank fuk.

    I , like you , dont rely on some well tested gizillion shoe she looked at me with her bad eye so bet on banker theory . Everything works until it doesnt and if you are quick enough to realise that at that crucial time in the shoe ,then you are in a winning position, if not you lose.

    Remember You can take a break from betting on a particular shoe BUT THEY the casino must continue dealing. Thanks good post, cheers
     
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  13. Junket King

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    This, there is an old cliche "nothing works all the time", no shit sherlocks!!! Why wouldn't a non-correlated game of randomness behave unexpectedly. The more often you play, the more frequent you will you encounter it.

    That said, you should expect it, the answer lies "how much do I lose/drop" when things don't work, that's the crux of it.
     
  14. gizmotron

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    That is it. ...and if you have time watch for the idiots with their expectation bets. Try to find the biggest dummy.

    You can grind away at a few mini win moments and win the session. But you can also grind your way down with mini loss moments. Unfortunately randomness never gives you just black and white but often at times gray. To me this is the HG. It does not need a book. It was told to me by an old gambler back in 1992. It's origins might be more than 200 years old. He said to "bet big when you are doing good and bet small when you are doing bad."
     

  15. Nathan Detroit

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    ne posters betting series 8-4-1 them flat 1 until first loss . Unit size $ 25.



    Play at your own risk.
     
  16. Ordinary_people

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    Junket king, you say your friend introduce to you these 10 years ago. Do you mean look for the 4 last decision then we bet for what the violator777 post in the beginning of this thread ?

    Thanks
     
  17. violater777

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    Think you guys misunderstood the betting sequence. I don't bet every B lapper. Only the ones that end up in the 3 or 4 hole of a Banker streak. Trust me, the percentages stay in my favor and they have not dipped.
     
  18. Joey Torres

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    Can you show how do you bet the B lapper for clarity.

    Thanks
     
  19. violater777

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    First of all, the percentages I posted are to simply make the members of this forum what is likely to occur in a five hand situation. They are not necessarily what I or anyone else should place bets on, because those percentages will not make you win long term and as a few members said, each bet will even out in the end and eventually succumb to the house edge. I posted these percentages in hopes of getting some system developers together to develop an awesome system. My "lapper" bet has been a winner through 2500 shoes, and while this might not be a big enough sample for most of you: it is for me. I tell you what, post ten live random shoes that you have played, and I will play out the shoe using my "Lapper" bet and my "Player" bet. Yes, some shoes lose but most are very small losses and occasionally you would have a shoe where you would lose seven units.
     
  20. cps10

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    2500 shoes is way more than the average player will play so that’s long term enough for me. Looking forward to seeing this.
     

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