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Baccarat Is there a limit to Randomness?

Discussion in 'Baccarat Forum' started by Junket King, Aug 1, 2019.

  1. Junket King

    Junket King Well-Known Member Compulsive Liar

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    I absolutely agree, but I believe there are 'or suppose to be' limits. For the same reason, I've yet to see a 4 streak repeat 7 times, or a streak of 10 repeat 3 times, I referring to extremes. I don't go hunting or waiting for patterns, I've seen portions of a shoe inverse themselves to the tune of 28 hands, which is probably the most extreme case.

    The pattern in the shoe above, could have equally have been 44 chops, 22 repeating two's, 14 repeating 2-1's. Nobody other than the pathological lair has seen such an event. Veteran players have all seen at least 20 chops, 12 repeating two's, 9 repeating 2-1's, but the above is beyond extreme, I can't believe "it's just one of those events, it happens, put it down to randomness", when you consider the mathematically odds of 1,099,511,627,776 /1 something is not quite right.

    I don't know how the hell clumping is responsible, but is the only thing that it could be down to, other than outright cheating and pre-ordering the cards in the shoe, which I totally dismiss.

    When is the last time you saw 44 EC's in a row, 22 repeating 2 series of any EC? See the comparison!

    This is won't be the end of the matter, more to be revealed at a later date.
     
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  2. albalaha

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    If we try to find probabilities in the past, we can see 1 in billion, trillion, gazillion probabilities daily.

    Don't believe me?

    just check the probability of last 10 numbers drawn in roulette;
    or last 40 EC wins

    they were worth 1 in trillions but they just happened and something like that keeps happening daily.
    Can they help?
    No!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
     
  3. Junket King

    Junket King Well-Known Member Compulsive Liar

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    I would challenge anybody to show a set of bonafide 20 outcome, symmetrically repeating for the next 20 outcomes.
     
  4. Sharptracker

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    Randomness has no limits if you give it enough time to express... A record is made to be beaten.
     
  5. albalaha

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    I challenge you that you can't find numbers of my last 10 spin anywhere else in symmetry.

    These silly challenges do not prove anything. Understand the probability and what does it mean. Doing postmortem of a gone shoe won't help you getting the same outcomes. While it happened, you did not earn huge. Did you?
     
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    I tend to agree that you will maybe never see a sequence of the past 10 results of any even chance game repeat itself perfectly, as wishful thinking. I have seen 22 reds in a row. That was on a double zero wheel too. I see huge long streaks maybe once per year. They can be all one type or it can be a perfect chop of singles. The perfect repeat of a sequence can happen.
     
  7. Junket King

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    No, I lost huge, as in significantly huge, terrifyingly huge, head spinning huge, I was clean out. I don't normally pay attention to patterns which I mentioned above, but I think I was struggling in that shoe and saw an opportunity for a few chips. Jesus Mary lover of God, it went on and on, by the time the 3rd Player struck, I was already busted.

    I made a sizeable deposit, then got the obligatory gambling safe care email to my inbox, but this time I also got a phone call from their safe gambling dept, asking me if everything was alright, that she noticed I was still playing, to which I responded "I'm trying to". Asking me, do I wish to exclude myself for a few days LOL, how will I cope if I lose what I have just deposited. Silly Bint, all I had done was put back what I had taken out previously earlier in the week with a little extra.

    Anyway, I'm pretty sure she had no appreciation who she was dealing with, felt like giving her a list of names so could search for on the internet HAHA. Because the 1000 base units I dropped on Friday betting for that crap to break, a combination of a 17 hr session, plus 3 more shoes today, has me 18 units shy of a full recoup. Originally I was after a 200u buggeration profit (hence why I reversed Fridays withdrawal), that is now going to double to 400u (kinda like a stress tax) and penalty for the pricks who don't know how to randomise cards properly for making me work. Completion time Sunday if not sooner.
     
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  8. Junket King

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    The mathematical odds of the above shoe are off the Richter scale, like I say, show any matching 22 or even 20 hand matching EC pattern, you can exclude zero's, as I've ignored Ties. You will never see anything even close to that crap above in a B&M casino, not in several life-times, it can only be down to one thing and it wasn't just co-incidental 1,099,511,627,776 /1 no-way. Tt was due to sloppy card shuffling procedures, similar to seeing a 44 EC symmetrical pattern might be the result of a gaffed wheel.

    What silly challenge? Lash up a set of 20 EC's results that were mirrored in the next 20 spins (exclude the zero's if you wish), they have to be bonafide outcomes.

    For 40 or 44 outcomes? Not unless there are other influences at play. The odds are phenomenal (as posted) are so large, ain't gonna happen. But hang on it did, in the last shoe posted above?? However it is my firm belief this was as a direct result of their shuffle procedures.

    The shoe above should not be taken in isolation, every day you see streaks of 12 ~ 15, in the Real World, you may see such events once per 2 or 3 months. I've already posted enough examples of 18 streaks, these again a once a few years events.

    I've played probably over 3000 shoes online, in the vast majority of shoes, you can expect a long streak within the first 21 hands, they arrive like buses, such events wreak havoc with the strategies I use. It is maddening the number of times you lose 7-9, or 8-9, or tie on 8 on the my Player bets. You can watch the boozo's shuffle in the back-ground, all they do is perform one single card riffle. Just one, then go back on themselves in clumps, It's crazy a single riffle and you expect high value cards to be separated!!! You see the same 4 card hand sequences repeat shoe after shoe.

    The organisation providing the service based in both Georgia and Latvia, aren't a casino, they just provide the service, so don't care what punters win or lose, to them it is all about speed. I would guess some regular players must be making a killing following the runs when they happen. As soon as I've hit my target, I'm stepping back into the Real World environment, after I've taken care of a long outstanding small debt with BillyHill LOL
     
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    You can feel an odd as soon as your brain focus on it but everyday many crazy event appears without your brain focus on it and then you don't notice it.

    Say you got a serie of 20 ec and it is the same 20 ec following... Well of course it has few chance to produce, but it has exactly same odds than any other 40 ec that we can meet every 40 spins.

    It is a bit as those people who's martingaling on a mirror that can't happen according to them, and it is same also with people that say that a number can't hit 37 times in a row but at the same time they couldn't guess and it would be as hard to guess any other serie of 37 numbers...
     
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    Yeah, but it's not though, far from it. Sure the odds are the same 1048,576 / 1

    However considering there are 1,048,576, possible 20 outcomes (ignoring zero's), which means there are 1,048,575 possibilities of not being an exact match. Then you appreciate how bizarre that sequence was, as posted above.
     
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    Well let's take another stuff... Imagine if you hit the big jackpot at euromillion... You would feel very special because of the odds, still with the number of players it becomes "normal" that the jackpot is hit. There's some people who hit twice at the lottery or even two big jackpot at slots... It just became "normal" if you let time...

    Of course you must have a very few chance to see that pattern tonight if you decide it, but after x time, it becomes just "normal" to see it. I don't know if you see what i mean...
     
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    I have had some of my biggest sports betting wins with Billy Hill! I couldn't believe they were going 5/2 on Australia to retain the Ashes considering Anderson + Broad aren't getting any younger and our batsmen can't hang around for very long nowadays. Suppose that makes me a bit of a traitor...but good odds are good odds! (It's not over just yet but I think the fat lady is warming up)

    Anyway, went a bit off topic there. I notice that the Baccarat game at WH is run by Evolution software, so I stuck some money in today after opening an online account and will give it a go. You seem to get a longer timeframe to make your bets than that other platform (Netent). Let's hope the streaks are just as long and the shuffle procedures just as sloppy.
     
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  13. Junket King

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    I was thinking about the EuroMillions after I replied above. You probably have more change to win it fours times than see any 20 hand pattern match. 120M to 1 compared to 1,099,511,627,776

    It's the same feed from Georgia (same dealers), I'm really surprised you will get longer between hands. I'll check it out once I'm done with Gros'.
     
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    My mistake, you are right. Grosvenor is evolution software as well. Oh well, as long as I am quick recording stuff, I will be fine.
     

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    Access the tables at the bottom Baccarat table A, B or C (next to the Private £1000 per hand table), as you get an extra (vital) 4 seconds!!
     
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    I forgot to add, if it is anything like Gros' after 5 mins of inactivity you are thrown off the system. I used to get around this by placing a less than table minimum bet on P or B, which will get rejected, but is classed as activity.
     
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    Sure but don't forget that it is a mean, it is not because the euromillion is 120million to 1 that i have to play 120 million times to win... It can happen right now, next week or i could also need 50 lifes.

    Same thing with those very rare events, it's not because them are rare that them cannot happen because their odds are also a mean.

    But i have to admit that sometimes it can be weird, i remember that rng after making a martingale when i started that made a 18 reds... Still it could be totally random...
     
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