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TurboGenius Advantage of Repeaters explained - part 2 - 2020

Discussion in 'TurboGenius's Forum' started by TurboGenius, Mar 26, 2020.

  1. TurboGenius

    TurboGenius Well-Known Member Founding Member

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    This is part 2 of the Repeaters thread topic - the first thread can be found here
    https://www.gamblingforums.com/threads/advantage-of-repeaters-explained-part-1-2020.17411/

    I would suggest reading it first.

    Now we have to find the real advantage knowing what we know (and no one disputes)
    Repeaters happen at a better rate than "expected" (1 in 37), and we can only win by betting
    on numbers that appear better than the house payout of 35 to 1.

    This is the common problem that people think, that without a time machine or some power you can't possibly know what to bet on as each spin is independent and future spins are random.
    I'll cover this below in clear examples - and everyone will see that no powers or time machine are
    needed.

    First, to make the math easier - we'll assume a euro single 0 wheel with 37 numbers.
    That means - in a "perfect" non-random world - at spin 370 we will have a number that appeared
    10 times. (10 x 37).
    "Random" doesn't do this though, you'll have numbers showing above expected and others below.
    There will never be a situation (and you can run as many million simulations as you want) where
    the first number to reach 10 shows happens at spin 370. It's impossible with random.
    (please note as I've said before that you can only win against random, if it is not random then
    you can't).

    So here are some examples - at what point does a number appear for the 10th time ?

    [​IMG]

    So here's quick data - no need for millions of simulations in this case, we have a reliable
    average to work with.

    The average that it takes a number to reach 10 shows in 163.4 spins, nowhere near 370 spins.
    Nowhere close to the required 350 spins in order to profit.
    The average number of spins that this "winner" took for each step was 16.3 spins,
    nowhere near 37 spins - and nowhere near 35 spins in order to profit.

    So to make this point simple - this alone proves the power or repeaters, and how they
    appear at a much better rate than needed, or expected.

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    And here is where the "time machine" and "mystical powers" crowd jumps in - and of
    course they sound correct in their comments because we assume the following....

    There's NO way to know which of the numbers on the table are going to achieve this
    10x goal !! Only once it's happened can we see the results !! You'd need a time machine
    to go back and play them !!!

    And to the other argument - IF you KNEW ahead of time which number it was going to be,
    would you bet it ? Of course you would - you could possibly never lose playing this way.

    So this brings us to "random" and how it works.

    Like many people have seen and experienced - playing cold numbers doesn't work.
    Let's say a number takes 200 spins to appear, then 200 spins later it's still in last place,
    200 spins later it's still near the bottom of the listing - etc etc
    Cold numbers tend to stay cold or go hot - hot numbers tend to stay hot or go cold
    and are replaced with other hot numbers, etc. I've preached this enough in the past.
    I've also posted how thanks to random being what it is, we can win.
    I've of course taken heat for this but that's fine - let's explore how random works.

    I'll start rolling off spins and charting the results.
    We already know that numbers appearing first at 1x,2x,3x,10x,20, etc will ALWAYS
    show at better than 1 in 37 and always better than 35 to 1 - see above or do your own
    simple tests.
    Now how do we predict ahead of time without powers and a time machine ???

    Chart what number appears at 1x first - this is obviously the first spin result.
    what number appears at 2x first ? Is it "random" ? 3x.... if it random ?
    4x.... is it random ? Continue on until the lightning bolt hits you and then test again
    and again to see the exact same predictable results.....from random.

    [​IMG]

    So to the naysayers and people who don't test, this looks "rigged" and nonsense -
    certainly it's not Random !!! Is it ? Why did the #2 stay in that position so long ?
    Yes it does. But fine - let's run another test.

    [​IMG]

    Still must be fixed or rigged somehow ??? How is it almost always the same
    number stays in this column and is predictable AND appears better than 1 in 37
    and much better than 35 to 1 ??? Is there a time machine ? Is there powers ?
    Again - double zero wheel ??

    [​IMG]

    Is this some nonsense ? Why are these numbers predictable and how do they
    appear better than expected ? It's because of random.

    So feel free - test this yourself and you'll have the exact same results, a little
    voice might appear saying "A number can't hit 3 times unless it's appeared 2 times"
    and insert a meme gif from Sir Anyone. Here it is displayed and available for anyone
    to test. They might not post below though that what I've always said makes sense now,
    and that's fine.

    What if we made a "prediction" - using these results as they happen during a game.

    Someone might say "When a number appears once, I'll make the prediction that it appears
    a second time before another number does"
    or
    "When a number appears 8 times, I'll make a prediction that it will appear 9 times before
    another number does".....

    The above simple test shows that your "prediction" would have been
    correct (the first to 1x is excluded obviously - so 87 possible outcomes)
    58 times you would have been correct out of 87 tries.

    There's no time machine or magic/voodoo that made these results happen.
    "Just by guessing" is the other quote they love to use.

    Could I "just guess" a number and win 58 out of 87 tries when there are 37 possible results ??? No.

    So here lies the power of repeaters, the player's path to victory thanks to "random".
    This isn't the end of the path though, as you'll see there's more to explore.

    Thanks for reading.
     
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  2. Spider

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    Very interesting Turbo. Thank you.
     
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  3. TurboGenius

    TurboGenius Well-Known Member Founding Member

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    This is a weak version of a positive progression with the results.

    [​IMG]
     
  4. Mako

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    It’s an area I explored from your previous efforts to detail it, but I never found a way to exploit it consistently. Often it would produce a chart like the above, but occasionally it was doomed from the start and cratered hard.

    Still intrigued by it, great write up Ed.
     
  5. stringbeanpc

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    Does this have something to do with law of the third ?

    58 / 87 = 66 % Win
    29 / 87 = 33 % Lose

    or do my eyes fool me
     
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    :)
    I read ALL your posts.
    I follow the Instructions and try to Repeat the results.
    :)
     
  7. Turner

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    When we watch a massive firework display and you hear that boom as it launches the next one, you wait for the explosion. at that exact time all the individual parts of the firework are unpredictable in which way they will go. so in the cluster, at the factory, we take a tracker that can withstand an explosion, and we attach it to one little flare out of the hundreds.
    We wait for the big bang and guess which way it will go. We will be wrong every time.
    But after the explosion, if we can spot one dot that is moving away, we can predict with our eye where that is going to go.

    During Turbos first of 3 examples, #2 becomes predictable, but its way after the explosion. Its what your view of random did as you observed it. Within those earlier counts (spin 91, spin 179 etc), started other numbers that will do the same as #2 did.
    Yes you are observing them, but no you didnt follow the whole side branch
    Thats the random. Every starting point starts a different path. Turbos tracking from 1 to 723 is a side shoot. Which is predictable.

    Thats the way I saw it (just for fun, dont bother suing me or meme Mike Ehrmantraut at me)
     
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  8. jekhb1976

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    For the fun of things, i took the weekend to fully test this with multiple progression types.
    Ran about 75 sessions to fully see it's potential, and before i say anything else, it sure has a potential as a core method.
    What Ed explained does happen, it never did 't.
    Every session i tested i took 25 hits for a number as it's finishline.
    Every single seasion produced at least 1 number that would cross a semi finishline multiple times. There was never a session in my test that a number wouldn't be.
    But now the problem....
    There isn't a progression (at least not that i'm aware of) that will produce a new high within one session everytime we play. There were multiple sessions where i did get a new high, but many sessions it didn't.
    Now you can al say, well Eddy, when you are winning more sessions then you loose you are there!....well, that isn't the case with this one i'm afraid..... Possitive progression, negative progression, marti etc. forget it. On paper, this is a solid bet, if you only bet 1 numbers, but in reality, it's unplayable in a real casino. And walk out a winner everytime we go in there. And don't forget, that is our goal, isn't it.
     
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    As strange as it may sound the best result were obtained using the Money Management below.

    Starting when a number hits for the 3rd time.
    (One number only)
    We stay on this number for as long as it is A. the first 3 hit or when it stays the winner, meaning it becomes a 4,5,6 hit etc. before any other numbers.
    We swith to a different number as soon as an other number becomes the front runner. Meaning our bet (3 hit) isn't the first number that becomes a 4 hit. etc. So to make it simple, we stay everytime we cross the finishline first, we swith everytime other numbers passes us across the line.
     
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    The 'Money Management' i used was this;

    -) 35 spins no hit, we raise 1 unit
    -) 35 spins 1 hit, we do nothing
    -) 35 spins 2 hits, we lower our bet with 1
    if we'rw not at a new high.

    This above progressiontype is used on 1 number only, otherwise the bank needed will be to large.

    So regard less how many time we have to switch to a new numbers, we only count the played spins, not the number of times we are right. If you should use a possitive progression, we would raise our bets when our number hits and lower our bets when another number passes. this will create a bigger problem then it may seem. I had multiple sessions where the winner was jumping from one number to the next, in this case you will see only dropping of your bankroll instead of see it climbing.

    To conclude this, up till now we don't have a set in stone money management for this sadly. It remains playing at your own risk. The core idea ed gave us, is solid on paper, but in reality its very unplayable.

    If someone can prove me wrong, please do so.
     
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    Even though i have lost 90% of faith in finding a winning bet in my lifetime, I enjoy new methoda to test and keep the 10% that is left with hope. So thanks ed, in showing a new way to play....
     
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    This isnt a new way.
    This was the way from the start.

    You were just overenthusiastic to go and play it in the past (yes I remember fondly your posts on rf.cc) without knowing and testing its quirks first (or maybe you misinterpreted?) and you lost money on the way, losing faith on it eventually.

    That being said, MM is very important.
    IMO its ecen more important than the bet selection way(since there are several l that take advantage of the phenomenon presented by Turbogenius).
     
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    The danger comes with too high an expectation. The fact that Turbo may win every session doesn't mean that anybody else should instantly expect the same or otherwise it's a dud and using the 'wrong' type of progression can easily magnify the losses.

    Look at Joe Ferguson on the other forum as an example with his new strategy. He is playing methodically and keeping the targets low and is going great guns. When I start playing this for real very soon, I won't be going at it like a bull from the gate. Steady gains with a loss here and there would be acceptable to me.
     
  14. gizmotron

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    Is he by chance playing at Roulette Simulator under a different name? I can't download his ( five's ) set of rules on page 1 of that thread. I'm banned by KAV for suggesting that Reading Randomness works. It works at least as much as Joe Ferguson's "FIVE" does and I'm demonstrating that it does at R-Sim.
     

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    And this was a reason for him to ban you???
    So glad i haven't been there in years.
     
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    It was years ago when he was a major control freak mathNazi. I guess he has seen some light or something. I only went there because Eugene suggested looking at it. I do get this much of it. Wait 5 sequences and then bet something. It's magical triggering that expects a sequence of death will not occur or will not occur very often. It looks like a mechanical rule based thing that rides on the few uptick waves. He gets out with a minimal stop win point for each successful session. I just wanted to see if I could figure out what kills it.
     
  17. steeefan2014

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    I am watching his thread too.

    Seems that he's on a good path right now. I sure hope for him to keep it going like that all the way to the top. I have to admire his patience and the fact that he doesn't step outside his track.

    Anyway, the only thing that mighr kill it is a long streak of losses on consecutive days, considering the fact that he "martingale"s the bets. But, he also stops when he hits a losing streak in a day and he takes the loss.

    I guess we have to wait and see where is he going with that. All the best to him!
     

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