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Discussion in 'Las Vegas Forum' started by RobSinger, May 27, 2022.

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  1. coach belly

    coach belly Active Member

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    The word negro means the color black in both Spanish and in Portuguese, where English took it from.

    Are you suggesting a reference to MDawg that is based on his skin color?

    What basis is there to note his skin color? Have you seen him?
     
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  2. MrV

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    OK, I'll change my PM preferences so that we can discuss this privately.
     
  3. KewlJ

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    These last several posts are coach belly playing his VERY usual trolling type games. He knows damn well what bigotry is.

    If you look up the definition of bigotry from any one of several or many different sources, you will most likely find some reference to religion and/or race because throughout history these have been two of the bigger divisive issues among human beings. But the real and true definition of bigotry is an intolerance, dislike and even demonization of anyone different from you and your believes and that would include not only race and religion but thing more modern issues like sexual preference and even politics.

    When I walk down the street at night if there is a group of 3 black guys or 3 middle eastern guys and that negative feeling about the situation.....THAT is bigotry. All human beings are imbedded with some prejudices and bigotry. It is just some of the "Archie Bunker" types like Rob are more blantent about it, somehow feeing it is their business when a black man and white girl date or marry, or that two gay men love and marry, when it is neither any of their business, nor effects their own life and who they choose to life with, in any way.
     
  4. KewlJ

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    If you are going to do that, please do so at VCT rather than here. Just my own comfort level about who may be able to view PM's.
     
  5. KewlJ

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    For the record, I am against any kind of attacks of this nature on all of these forums. If attacking someone personally is all you have in making whatever argument or point you are trying to make, then you really have no argument or point.

    I never am first to attack anyone in this manner. My concerns are always questioning or challenging something that they wrote or claimed. It is always the other party that attacks me first, most likely because that is all they have. They have no legitimate answers to the questions or challenges. Once they attack me, yes, I will eventually return fire.
     
  6. MrV

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    OK, will do.
     
  7. coach belly

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    I know damn well that calling someone a "camel jockey" is an ethnic slur, which is indicative of bigotry towards Arabs.

    Is that why you called MDawg a camel jockey....because you believe he is of Arab ethnicity?

    You object to and complain about bigotry, while sanctimoniously expressing bigotry yourself.

    The order of the comments on a forum doesn't excuse your bigotry.
     

  8. redietz

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    • Violation of Rule #1: Be Respectful
    Actually, I believe I have seen a photo or two of him. But that's not the reason I suggested "Sand Negro."

    You see, I am a Sherlock Holmes aficionado, so I like to draw inferences from the evidence.

    MDawg spends months on end in Las Vegas, and in all the hundreds of posts of his that I've read, I have never read a reference to his using sunscreen. He talks about a passel of stuff, but doesn't wax eloquent on which brand of sunscreen. Therefore, I conclude that after months of wandering from casino to casino in direct sunlight without using sunscreen, MDawg likely has darkened his skin. Melatonin and all that.

    MDawg also has spent months and months in a city surrounded by sand. Not only that, the first high end Las Vegas casinos were known as "carpet joints" because their floors were not gravel and sand. So as a facetious homage to the origins of the city wherein MDawg works his comp magic, I humbly submit "Sand Negro" as a nom de plume. In fact, I would go so far as to refer to him as "THE Sand Negro."

    LOL.

    I do appreciate the coacheroo trying to draw me out regarding whether I have seen pics of MDawg. I could be wrong, but I believe I have.

    In any event, before coach suggests that I am racist, I'll link to my blog post where I explain very studiously that I am indeed racist.

    Bob Dietz's Integrity Sports: Bob Dietz: Racist! (theskepticalgambler.blogspot.com)
     
  9. KewlJ

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    I am not trying to excuse my actions, including some bigoted comments, not only to Mdawg but also the late Alan Mendelson.

    But the order does in fact matter. In most cases I return fire ONLY after I have been attacked multiple times. Often my first response is to question why we need to sink to this level. Now tell me that is not true.

    I am not a saint. Never claimed to be. What is the saying about rolling around in the mud with pigs? :confused:
     
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  10. KewlJ

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    I know some of you people don't live in Vegas. Reditz, YOU practically live here now.

    Has NOBODY noticed the camel parked outside Cosmo (side entrance) for most of the last several years. :D Based on that is it wrong to wonder who the "jockey" or rider of said camel is? o_O
     
  11. Admin Team

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    Once again, the easily-verifiable facts do not support yet another one of your erroneous conclusions. For starters, you've said the word N***er on this site more often than member RobSinger. Secondly, we've always acted on every instance of homophobic attacks on you that you or others have reported to us and brought to our attention, and you know you will not be able to prove otherwise. Thirdly, you are not special, so we don't treat you better or worse than any other member here. The sooner you understand the third point, the sooner you will understand our moderation of this site and how it is by far the most impartial and consistent moderation of any gambling forum precisely because we don't care about any of you, and -- most importantly -- because we don't care about any of you equally, and that's exactly what makes this such a fair and open space for everyone. We have no personal vendettas or biases or favorites that make us lean in one direction or another in such a way that may impact the impartiality of moderation like occurs on virtually every other forum.


    The facts also do not support your conclusions either. Was the term "n***o" used against another member as part of a personal attack? Did you report such instances and we failed to take action? If the answer to either is "no", then there are no inconsistencies. If the answer to both is "no" -- as is the case -- then your conclusion is outlandishly wrong and our moderation is extremely consistent. You've used the word "n***o" almost as often as member RobSinger has, but only you used it as an insult against another member. No one is special here. Again, we don't care about any of you equally, and that's the way we would hope you would all want it, and it's not going to change.
     
  12. redietz

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    This is hilarious. Administration blanked my last post, saying it was disrespectful. To whom was it disrespectful??

    LOL.

    I said nothing disrespectful regarding MDawg. In fact, I complimented him on his comp wizardry.

    Personally, I want to state for the record that I admire anyone who can deal with Las Vegas sun without use of a sunscreen. I wish that I were that dark.

    If the issue is the use of the word "Negro," boy, administrators are going to have to go back and edit a bunch of Singer's posts. He uses that word all the time.

    I feel much the same regarding "camel jockey." I have faced off with some camels, and they are mean bastards. They like to spit right on you. "Camel jockeys" deserve our respect for handling such mean animals with aplomb.

    Hopefully, administration will examine their own biases and understand that neither "Sand Negro" nor "camel jockey" are terms of disparagement.
     
  13. redietz

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    It was used to reference an entire league. So your argument is that disparaging one member of a forum is a worse offense than disparaging thousands of people?

    LOL. Get real, folks. Murdering a thousand people is, at least by American law, a worse crime than murdering one. Now you can play with the definition in the phrase "personal attack" and try to spin this that you are in the right, but that kind of contortionist spin is semi-ridiculous. You are basically arguing that insulting one person (a forum member) is worse than insulting a thousand people.

    If you say so. LOL.
     
  14. Admin Team

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    Update: You have now used the word "n***o" on this site as often as member RobSinger has.
     

  15. redietz

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    Double LOL. Then you should probably ban both of us. For being disrespectful. I'll take the bullet to rid the site of Rob.
     
  16. Admin Team

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    The purpose of rule #1 is to avoid flame wars. It's not more complicated than that.

    If you want that rule to also apply to insults towards non-members even though those virtually never lead to flame wars, then please file a petition in our Feedback section, and if there is enough support for it here among members, then we will incorporate the change.
     
  17. KewlJ

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    Ok, since you asked, I will tell you how I would want it. I speak only for myself.

    This is a gambling forum or supposed to be. There is no need for personal attacks of any kind. That includes any attacks that I might make retaliating against personal attacks made against me. Questions and challenges about a person's claims are 100% acceptable. But if all a person can do is attack on a very personal level having nothing to do with gambling or the claims made, then the attacker really HAS NOTHING.

    To this extent there is absolutely no need or reason to have a "designated unrestricted area". That is silly. That is an invitation to the kind of personal attacks that should not be tolerated.

    Not only should personal attacks not be tolerated but blatant lies, for no other purpose than to attempt to smear and discredit someone should not be allowed. You (administrator) say you can not look into and determine what is a lie and what isn't. Ok, I see that to some extent. But some of these lies are so blatant, so outrageously ridiculous an example being of a male prostitute, exploiting old men. Give me a break!

    If a lie is told and the person complains that it is a lie, the person that make that lie, should be required to offer some proof. If someone says I am a male prostitute, or work at Smashburger, or don't even live in Las Vegas, or don't play blackjack, or some sugar daddy comments (all lies repeatedly said about me), and I object to that lie, the person should have to prove it. Is that unreasonable?

    As for your comment that I can't go back and find instances, I most certainly can. How many times has Rob Singer said things about sex with my brother or mother, or my late spouse and partner dying of aids (which is a lie, he dies of an aneurism). Each of these times I have complained to you as I frequently do, do I not?

    If this is a gambling site, then let comments be about gambling and gambling claims. If there are legit challenges or doubts about something said or claims, lets have such a discussion without these personal attacks, including attacks of family and friends that don't even participate here. That crap is soooo 3rd grade.
     
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  18. redietz

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    Here's a brilliant idea, omniscient ones. Why don't you ask MDawg if he thinks I was actually disparaging him? I mean, I respect your telepathic abilities and all, but it couldn't hurt to ask him, eh?
     
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    Not to mention that Singer said on this forum that my late wife committed suicide, which she did not, and somehow the forum administrators missed that one. What, they want me to send them a death certificate?

    Yeah, they seem to be somewhat, what's the phrase, batshit inconsistent.
     
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  20. Admin Team

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    Run a gambling forum, and then tell us it's silly. The DUA are not an invitation for that content, it's a way to isolate that content so that it doesn't metastasize to and disrupt the rest of the site. If we were prohibiting such insults and banning members here for that, then you would have been long gone as you've called members here "n***ers" more often than any other member, and if you had been banned, then your Blackjack experience would not have been shared with the world.

    Yes, because you cannot expect us to become the arbiters of the truth. We don't know what is true and what is not, nor do we care. We are not going to get in the middle of personal feuds that do not involve us. Every member has the right to face their accuser here and insist that they produce evidence to back up any false accusations made, and to then point out that the lack of said evidence proves the accuser does not have credibility.

    Do you frequently complain to us? Yes. Did you report such a post to us and did we not take action? No. Every report is logged forever, so we have the receipts, and we know we are consistent because we don't care about any of you equally so we have no reason to be inconsistent with our moderation.

    Yet you engage with it while simultaneously sharing your Blackjack experience. If we ban you for it, the sharing of that Blackjack experience would be lost. If we banned member mickey crimm for his outbursts, his Slots experience would be lost to the world. This is the one safe haven everyone will always be able to come to to share their gambling experience with the world because we are the ones making sure of that.



    You referred to member MDawg as "the sand n***o". We don't need to ask anyone nor do we need telepathic abilities. We simply need to not be complete ignorant idiots in order to understand exactly what you were doing. In short, your attempt at a loophole insult failed.

    Firstly, we are sorry to hear about your late wife. Second, did you report that to us and did we not take action? Show us the proof. Otherwise, we are extremely consistent as we have been stating repeatedly now, and you are consistently wrong about us. Furthermore, there is no "somehow". We have been consistently on the record also stating repeatedly that we do not read the vast majority of gambling posts on this site. We don't gamble, so we are not interested in the discussions that happen here. That lack of interest in gambling is part of what makes us so impartial here. The only thing we care about is having an open community where everyone can share their gambling knowledge with the world. Why? Because that's how we remain the #1 gambling forum in the world, and that's just good business.
     

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