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Feedback Suggestion, add a rule to deal with serious trolls

Discussion in 'Suggestions / Comments / Criticisms / Problems' started by Stephen Tabone, Aug 12, 2021.

  1. Stephen Tabone

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    Where a troll, (Jae) trolls someone's threads, (mine) enters the chat to,

    cause upset and
    harm,
    making false and
    malicious allegations,
    making threats and
    harasses and
    insults, and
    uses many swearwords etc etc

    something should be done about it beyond warnings after warnings, moreover where the troll has been asked to stop many times, but they continue with their behaviour. It surely cannot be right that nothing is done about it.

    I think there needs to be a 'draw the line rule, where enough is enough for the sake of the community' where when a troll has broken so many rules and so many times and has been warned by admin as well as the victim lots of times, the site, I think should implement the nuclear option and ban the troll for good.

    It's clear Jae is not going to steer clear of me. He is going to continue trolling me.

    I can handle criticism etc whatever, but he has gone too far. He has committed cybercrimes, trolling and making false allegations and threats etc. I have done nothing wrong to him, I don't know him from Adam therefore he should have no beef with me. Thus he is a proper troll that is getting away with way too much.
     
  2. Stephen Tabone

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    Jae is trolling me again. Coming to my threads, using any excuse to attack me. I've reported him as previously advised, but he is still at it.
     
  3. Punkcity

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    Strange how you seem to be admined out yet other people haven’t, I found the same thing happened to me on the sock puppetry thread , I’m falsely accused and I defend myself and I get admined out. Lol. Funny old world, water off a ducks back laddie. Cheers
     
  4. Admin Team

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    Such a rule already exists. Please see rule #2. We've already spoken to the member in question. However, keep in mind that you are also guilty of this since one rule violation by one member does not excuse a rule violation by another. Everyone must respect all our rules at all times. This includes you.
    Please note that members don't own the threads they start. All members are free to participate in any thread. All members are also free to respectfully criticize other members. It is when such criticism becomes repetitive with the sole purpose of disrupting a thread without adding any additional value that it begins to violate rule #2. Please report such instances so that we can take action.

    We don't read most of the posts on the site, so if you feel you are being sanctioned more often than others for the same rule violations, then it simply means your posts are being reported and brought to our attention more often than the other rule-violating posts. You can resolve this by reporting those other posts to bring them to our attention so that we can take action.
     
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  5. Punkcity

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    Cheers
    Thanks for clearing that up. Obviously the posts of mine I referred to on Nate thread must have offended him quite a lot. I’m surprised as he’s a very nasty content poster and that he would be able to handle the same tone in reply. Obviously I was wrong.
    Sad to be a hypocrite I would assume.
    I’m not complaining about Nate by the way admin , nor am I directly stating Nate is a hypocrite, just musing via interverse out loud. All hypothetical of course.
    Administration can I ask ?
    Unfounded accusations, threatening allegations and substituted swear words in other posters names do these things fall into the report category also ?
    What about when and if someone uses the new sock puppetry thread you provide ( much needed addition I might state) to post an unfounded allegation , that would be when admin finds no sock puppetry on the accused behalf obviously, what penalty does the ACCUSER suffer?
    The accused and potentially the next accused are paying a penalty until they are cleared of any wrongdoing, we /they remain guilty until proven innocent on a public domain? Rather than the traditional method of being innocent until proven guilty.
    Also what sanctions are in place for when a supposedly guilty person is proven innocent yet the ACCUSER openly may stat that they don’t believe the verdict and the ACCUSER will continue to monitor the just Exonerated Accused poster.
    Are there any protocols in place to stop the ACCUSER from further references in posts to the Exonerated accused as to who various supposed person/persons the poster is ,even though the prior ACCUSER has addressed that poster in their Exonerated NON SOCK PUPPETRY title?
    This is just a hypothetical question of course as I would assume that no member here would posses enough vitriol or be as crass, mean and vindictive, perhaps maybe a touch racist and or woman hater to ACTUALLY post a post anywhere on this forum along those lines. If HE did I’m sure he didn’t mean it and it was all in jest because I’m sure he would complain if anyone did anything remotely LESS than toxic that to him on any thread this forum. You dish it out you can expect to receive the return serve or don’t dish it up in the first place.

    Just musing out loud of course. Not a complaint on my part on behalf of myself or anyone else this forum that maybe FALSELY ACCUSED buy some hypocritical stooge.

    Administration as you have rightly stated sock accusations should not just be flung around a thread like shit thrown at an industrial fan. If one is to accuse someone of sock puppetry it should be viewed as a serious matter, the accuser should immediately post the accusations on the valid thread. To not do so is just another blatant form of trolling, intimidation, psychological psyhobabble and unfounded harassment plus a twist of vitriol an absolute must add to any toxic mix. If you going to have a cesspool may as well get the mix right, just saying, imho , lol.
    What would be the hypothetical answer if any to the above musings out loud ?
    This post is just in jest on my part of course, let’s call it “lockdown syndrome hypotheticals and asking the inane questions that need to be enquired upon as all the good questions are already asked”

    No need to reply if you don’t see fit. Thanks.
     
  6. Stephen Tabone

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    My troll @Jae has been at it again. Using any reason to troll me including old posts. I call upon the admin to take action. It's clear that he will not stop. And as I wrote makes malicious allegations and threats. I want to make myself clear, my lawyers are onto this and I am seeking justice for the cybercrime of trolling me. I hope the admin take action against the troll. He is getting away with it. My lawyers will act if nothing is done by Monday.
     
  7. Jae

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    I’ve got some feedback. Bam scam
    LOL, the only thing I’m getting away with is exposing you for the fraudulent scammer you are.

    Look, I’m sorry that you got caught with creating a fake username and giving your books fake reviews on this site. I know that’s embarrassing and my heart truly hurts for you. That’s gotta be humiliating. But just know that I didn’t do it. You did. You did this to yourself, Stephen. It’s not too late to turn your life around. You don’t have to be a scammer.
     
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    I didn't troll myself. Your troll crimes are wide ranging. Looks like you won't stop trolling me and admin won't not stop you therefore my lawyers are going to deal with it. You've been warned to stop many times. You're using any excuse to troll me. And continue with allegations. As I wrote in my other post, you're going to land yourself in serious trouble regarding your trolling me regardless of any user profiles you claim are mine. You have made allegations with malice in a trolling behaviour which are cybercrimes. Had you made one statement regarding what you thought and left it at that it wouldn't have gotten this far. But you continued to troll me and abuse with comments, insults, threats etc etc. Enough is enough and I'll leave it to the law to deal with you.
     
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    I don’t think you what trolling means, and I also don’t think you know much of anything to be honest. Everything I’ve ever said about you is 100% true, you are the one continually lying. Now you’re paranoid because you know you can’t keep lying about your fake account. You seem to have at least accepted that fate. Make all the legal claims you want, there are no cyber crimes being committed here by me. I’m just blatantly telling the truth. You are the one on a negative expectation game trying to convince people to buy your method that fraudulently claims to beat a negative expectation game. That sir, is what we call a scam. And the person that performs these actions are called scammer and/or conmen. That is what YOU are.
     
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    Cheers.
     
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    Your little ploy on Amazon adds further evidence of your malice connected with your trolling. My lawyer will be also writing to amazon to obtain your IP, name and address. Amazon have already been informed that you are a troll and that you are going to be reported to the police in due course.
     
  12. Jae

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    That’s not trolling. That’s making a purchase of a product and giving it an honest review.

    But I guess this should be a warning for anyone else that may purchase your book: if you purchase Stephen Tabone’s books and write an honest review that he doesn’t like, he will make threats and police reports on you.

    Solid business decision, dude.
     
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    The only difference is you have been trolling and will stop at nothing to try and cause damage thus only adds to the evidence. What a pathetic person you are. I feel sorry for you, however you must face justice for the consequences of your actions and there are both criminal and civil remedies available given you've also made threats.
     
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    When trolling turns into harassment, stalking, or bullying, then the police can get involved. These are all state crimes, but because the communications have to travel over an interstate wire, the federal government could potentially get involved too.

    Possible Civil Penalties

    Depending on the type of comments an Internet troll posts, he or she could also be sued for money damages by the person being trolled. Defamation, invasion of privacy, and portrayal in a false light are just some of the civil actions that can be levied against a troll.
     

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    Unfortunately for you, you have zero legal ramifications. You can talk all you want, because well, that’s all you are capable of doing. You should have quit your bullshit weeks ago, you could have saved face and probably went on to other sites continuing your scams. But frankly, you screwed up, you got emotionally involved due to your narcissistic tendencies. You’ve made several attempts to drag my name in the mud, created shit posts about me and you continue to bring cancer to this forum.

    I’m fully committed now to destroying you and exposing you for the scammer and crook that you are. It eats up a lot of my free time, but I’ve morally justified it.

    If you disappear from this site, I will stop. I will never mention your name again. But everyday that you post, I will make a verified purchase of another book and write a legitimate verified review. That’ll secure you a few more sales if you look at it like that.

    But since you don’t have a website I will create one dedicated to reviewing your fraudulent work. I will invest enough money into Google search optimization to make sure that not only will your work be the top of search results with your name, but that anything scam related to casino games will be directed towards you.

    And nothing about this is illegal.

    You say that your systems are merited by “your opinion,” well it is also my opinion that your books are fraudulent. You make fraudulent claims, and not only is that my opinion, it’s also factual.

    Keep making your moves, because I am—and if you haven’t gotten the message yet, I walk the walk. I have integrity and I actually do what I say I’ll do.
     
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    Another threat for the attention of the police.
     
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    Destroying your ability to scam people. It’s okay. You still have 40 minutes left in the day before I purchase a second book with an honest Amazon review. Cheers!
     
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    We don't meddle between members and we are not the arbiters of the truth, so we don't take action on accusations since we have no way to determine if they are founded or not. As long as an accusation doesn't violate any of our rules and is done respectfully, we will not take action. Similarly with threatening allegations, although threatening physical violence would be seen as a violation of rule #1. Substituting swear words in other poster's names would also violate rule #1.

    None. We do not want to discourage such accusations. However, we also don't want them to pollute the rest of the site, which is why we created a dedicated section for them.

    Only we can determine guilt, so assuming guilt based on an accusation by another member would be unwarranted. Again, we do not wish to discourage accusations of sock puppetry because multiple accounts degrade the trust within a community and it is therefore one of our most severe rule violations and one of the rules we take the most seriously. But all members are innocent until they themselves come clear or we do it for them.

    Rule #9 already addresses this:

    Furthermore, if a member is constantly making accusations that we keep finding to be wrong, then that alone will lead to their loss of credibility in the community since all such accusations and verdicts are public. So that acts as a natural deterrent without us having to take any action.

    Keep in mind that we have sophisticated tools to uncover sock puppets once we start an investigation.

    Rule violations responded with further rule violations will also be sanctioned if brought to our attention. We discourage such actions and recommend members simply report and ignore rule violators instead of responding to rule violators with another rule violation.

    Rule #9 already addresses this.

    We have been taking action against member Jae's rule violations the same way we have been taking action against your rule violations. We don't take sides here. We simply enforce our rules when rule violations are brought to our attention.

    We do not ban here because banning is a form of censorship which would violate one of our founding principles as per our slogan.

    They are doing so outside of the Advantage Players section which is already assumed to be EV- based on the notice at the top of those sections, so there is no need to keep repeating your same accusations within the same threads. That's where it risks crossing from non-disruptive to disruptive which would violate rule #2.

    You have a right to do that against another member here as does everyone else, but please make sure you do not violate our rules in doing so. In other words, do it respectfully and in a non-repetitive and non-disruptive manner. Don't just repeat "scammer". Back up your allegations with specifics that are on-topic or they will be quickly seen as a violation of rule #2 if directed repeatedly at the same member in all their threads without much substance.

    We will take this opportunity to remind all our members to please respect all our rules at all times. We encourage all of our members reading this to visit the rules page now.
     
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    Thanks for your time and patience, I hope that other posters now have better clarification as I now do. Cheers
     
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    Still waiting Nate.
    Please use all the special tools that administration have at their disposal to prove I’m a sock puppetry of you .
    Go get em tiger.
    Note no swearing, no vitriol, hell I’m being as helpful as can be to get you across the line to prove I’m your sock puppetry. Lol. Cheers
     

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