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Baccarat The Good, the Ugly & Human Nature

Discussion in 'Baccarat Forum' started by Junket King, Apr 1, 2022.

  1. Junket King

    Junket King Well-Known Member Compulsive Liar

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    Just a quickie update, the 12 Banker bonus was won last night (I wasn't there), apparently lot of a chops then a 16 Banker streak (no ties), can't say I've seen one of those for many many year in this place. Just over £6500 just for having a button in front of you while your betting. The dude quite right so, bet £1k on the Player, in case it stopped at 11 and only paid out £500 (it did this a few nights ago) and of coursed loaded up on the TIE and "super egalite".

    The Banco jackpot is now reset to £2k, and increments £1 per 4 bankers from all tables. I have won it in the past, when it was just over £2k, sometimes the figures are insane, I think in China Town Birmingham it went as high as £60 or £80k before it was won, a crazy amount. A lot of the Chinese just to play 24/7, for as long as they could trying to win it, only betting when the button came around, the wee hours are the best as there is less competition, but that is no longer possible since the 5am closing time, which the casino does to save money on their license somebody told me, plus no need to pay staff etc.
     
  2. Junket King

    Junket King Well-Known Member Compulsive Liar

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    I was reviewing my 8-Col shoes from my last session, the first shoe had me down 80 "base" units. I noticed many missed winning bets, "why did I bet that way" mistakes galore. Then I realised why, because I WAS PLAYING SOLO, having to bet every hand against a dealer whom I don't particular like as she chats utter shit about casino related stuff. I'm sure the feeling is mutual, seeing I never engage the silly skank. Sitting there the witch looking at me wanting me to bet, feeling that I haven't got time to evaluate, this is was why my prior session started so bad.

    On Thursday I noticed Friday was the 13th, should I go or not haha, Come Friday I had forgotten the date and went anyway. This time not being there at open table time. Also I've noticed with the first few shoes which are shuffled prior to the casino opening it's doors, some of the shuffles are lackadaisical resulting in a lot of clumping, as in, you're squeezing the cards and are given 3 x Kings, or 3 x Aces.

    I squeeze in the last available seat, buyin 100 "base" units (low for what I want to achieve, not unexpected to having to re-buyin, but let's give it go), goal target 100 "base" units. Coming close to end of shoe, I'm just dicking about and am a few chips up.

    So after I my review, I've reverted back to the 256 balls in a bag analogy, an 8 Column template, reduce a wait for Virtual Loss by 1. First shoe fine, no drama WWWLWWLLWLWWWWWWWWWW I'm ahead a little bit as some of those bets were at two different levels, base units and prime target units.

    Shoe #2, a little bit of a challenge, the prime target bet sequence ran as thus; LLLL WWWW << all hedged TIE wins!!!. WWLWLW Thank God for those 4 x Ties in a row, this shoe I had to rebuyin for another 40 "base" units to cover a next bet scenario, fine with that, it was expected. Otherwise it is like trying to 20 prime target units using a bankroll of 20 units, a bit optimistic.

    I got hit by a long streak in the wrong place, those 4.4% HE ties win at 9-1 helped me massively reduce my next bet size, which was won.

    Here is the shoe.

    upload_2022-5-14_12-29-15.png

    Shoe #3, prime target bets ran; WLLWLWLW and there were many messing about "base unit" bets such as 8Col-AM4 in-between, I'm in good shape and feeling positive. If I notice something such as this, BBBPPPBBBPPP, I think to myself, if I was playing an old method of mine like 3 Dbl Zz, or 3-Col LCD I might have lost 12iar, so now I take the particular bet (3-col Dbl Zz as an example), not something I do regularly, but something to recoup B tax, lost tie bets etc.

    Shoe #4, gave me my first repeat ball from a bag of 256 hit, which was fine as prior to my last intended losing bet of 15u, I won 2 x Tie bets, so I repeated my last lost bet which also lost.

    Shoe 5 & 6 much of a muchness and I've reached my goal of 100 "base" units profit. It's still early LOL, It's been a good easy session thus far, also I had to rebuyin, so I'm not exactly 100% up, decisions? Easy, keep on going.

    I decided to ditch "prime target units" and just play "base units", less stress, no pressure. Another 40u would be nice, Shoes 7 & 8 no-de-script (I don't and wasn't keeping any end of shoe chip tally).

    Then came along Shoe #9 haha.

    LLLW LLLW (all 8-col AM4 using a Fibo sequence against Labby strings)
    WWLLLL fuck, now I've got to step up to the betting prime target level, no other way around it, my Labby strings were a complete mess, yeah all kinds of things going through my head, why, why, why didn't I quit when I hit my goal, don't turn a good session into a bad one, but I'm here now, deal with it.

    This was a bad streaky shoe for what I was doing, after moving up a gear, it went LLLW LWWLLWW those first 3LIAR took over 80 base units from me, still ahead, no longer at 100% profit.

    Feeling annoyed and yet confident given how the prior 8 shoes had performed, just put it down to one of those things, not to be repeated in this session.

    Here is that shoe;

    BB
    PPP
    BB
    P
    B
    P
    BBB
    P
    B
    P
    B
    PPPPP (hit here by AM4 fail, L3, L6, L8)
    BB (L11)
    P
    BBBBBBB (hit by ABR geag change 3u, 5u, 7u, W9u)
    P
    BBB (L7u, W9u, W7u)
    PP
    B
    PP
    BBB
    PPPPPPP
    BBB
    P
    BB
    P
    B
    P

    Shoe #10 pissed I was in this situation, but now ultra determined I'm getting my 100% of my total buyin' at all costs, brick by brick if I have to.
    Prime units bets, LWLWLLLWW (single tie), LW WWW << triple tie yey yey, L

    Shoe 12, all base units to clear Labby strings, and the tiredness which hadn't been a problem just roared in, to be honest I wanted another 2 lousy chips for an exact round up, I would have played another shoe had I lost, but due to lack of players, just me and some woman who wasn't betting much, I called it a night come early morning. I cashed out my buyin which was 140 units, I have 158 chips, more than pleased with that.

    Solely for my jealous troll,

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    Money talks, bullshit walks hey fuckin' hey
     
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  3. Nathan Detroit

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    Interesting TR by Junket King.


    ND
     
  4. Zhang Wei

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    Junket King,

    I hate crowds so I would avoid weeknights, weekends and public holidays and just play on weekdays.

    I am curious why don't you just buyin 140 units right away? That way you don't have to keep rebuying in.
     
  5. Junket King

    Junket King Well-Known Member Compulsive Liar

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    A full table is good, so long as it is not too slow, as you can blend in and don't stand out like a sore thumb.

    I usually buyin 60 units, which is fine so long as there are no gear changes, I like to see if I can reach targets with minimum buyin's, If I buy in for 140 straight away, the dealers get excited, thinking I' might be betting big, or those chips are coming there way, when really a lot of my bets are green chips. So betting green while having a stack of pinks, just brings unwanted attention also unwanted attention to your chip stack. I like to keep my cash off the felt when it comes to betting, ditto for buyins.
     
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  6. Junket King

    Junket King Well-Known Member Compulsive Liar

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    Two days of play pending, waiting for table to open.
    I would be made up with a 400u profit. While doable would require me to play out my comfort zone and risk my total BR. That ain't happening. Anything less than 200u will be a disappointment.

    Incidentally 1/256 maybe be my nemesis, however my odds from the outset are only 1/32 or 1/64 depending when I make a move, as VL's don't apply, only actuall bets placed. Food for thought.

    Van Gogh the different IP address is due to me actually being at a casino, as opposed to testing at some wonky kitchen table not having washed for a few days.
     
  7. JacobBlaze

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    Hey don't talk bad about me Junky...my kitchen sink has a butt spray that I use to wash my goodies

    lol
     
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  8. soxfan

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    And here I thought that you'd abandoned the abr bulls-shits and reverted back to fib+fld? Yer just another, superstitious, chickens-shit, scared loser recreationbal player, exactly like the al-relax with yer made-up fantasy-lands, talls-tale.
     
  9. Junket King

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    Tale of two halves. Time to unwind and chew the fat, two solid days at the gaming tables, this is what went down.

    Sunday, played the first shoe solo. used a separate ten stack of table minimum chips and flat betting DBL (what a crock of shit this really is), end the the first shoe with 2 chips, negative 8, no drama. ABR Triggers, LL W(tie) WLWW, plus there were other bets in-between. Typical another player rocks up, I no longer have to bet every hand and the fucking shoe ends with a series of chops!!!!

    Shoe #2, LWLWLWW
    Shoe #3 WLWW these are all 2nd level gear bets, goal target 20u.

    I'm doing pretty good at this stage, I've won 13 "2nd gear" chips of a 20 chip target, only 7 to more to go, then it is cruise time. I'm maybe 60~70u positive. I might even gun for the 200 base units profit at this rate, as there is no drive home, the hotel is booked.

    Then came Shoe #4, on my sweet lord, is this the worst shoe played using ABR? Well I've encountered a triple fail and double fail playing online using 7 (128/1) columns, but I am using columns of 8 and 256/1 pseudo maths.

    Again, put 256 numbered balls into a bag, select one, note the combination number and return to the bag and select another, repeat for a maximum of 8 trials!!

    Here is what happened, column 3 produced a certain ball number, which was reproduced in column 6, no problem, it very rare using columns of 8 but it happens, wear it and move on, EXCEPT, after seeing it twice I was ultra confident of not seeing this particular 8 hand combo again for the remainder of this shoe. WRONG. What the FUCK. Low base units, mid-sized units, top gear units, all lost, 14 losses in a row, I would have also lost another, but didn't make the bet. Unfucking believable, it was like the air was sucked right out of you, now I know how cockfan must have felt at Woodbines.

    Prior to this shoe, my buyin was nil, I was using Fridays profit stack, I needed to buyin for another 400 base units. It's all a bit of haze now, I do recall thinking, as I was in profit, just let it go, but due to over confidence, belief, stupidity, I didn't and I bet bigger and bigger. i was fucked, the odds of this is something over 16 million to 1 (256 x 256 x256 )

    The fucking shoe was stuck in some stupid 3-3-1-1-3-3-1-1-3-3 pattern.

    This is the entire shoe, the repeating 8 hand combination are in BOLD.

    BB
    PPP
    B
    P
    BBBB
    P
    B
    P
    B
    PPP
    B
    P
    BBB
    P

    BB
    PP
    B
    P
    BBB
    P
    B
    P
    BBB
    PPP
    B
    P
    BBB
    PPP
    B
    P
    BBB
    PPP
    B
    P
    BBB
    (quit 3rd B)
    PP (no-bet first P, would have lost regardless, nibble 2nd P, lost)

    Going to be honest, I dropped well over 200 base units, due to changing gears. I still had cash & access to more cash, I can't take this loss, hotel booked, travel, time and effort, diesel it all adds up, I have to handle it. Step outside to gain some composure and let off some expletives, assess the damage.

    Here is my MM bet amount tracking score card.

    upload_2022-5-17_12-53-44.png


    The start of the shoe my goal was 7, now it is 58, given I started with an original goal of 20, I guess I was down 38u or approx 170 base units. The left side are base units, B tax, Ties, whatever.

    Few totalling and lousy 15 x top gear units has me where I original wanted to be. Now here lies the conundrum, as I posed above, if I lose 3LIAR betting top gear, I'm out my comfort zone, I've done it, but don't like it, the thought of going for it and starting off with Top Gear units and hitting a shoe like this and I'm destine to stuck at a table kitchen chatting shit on the internet from here on in.

    Anyway I wrote down three labby strings of 1's each consisting of 5 digits, this is what I needed to recoup. I also visited the cage to load up with an extra 20 units or 400 base, just in case if needed, which might be the case betting at this level. This is the kind of situation that can leave you financially screwed for a long time, I wasn't going down without a fight, walking away not an option, as it has to be recovered either in the here and now or some time in the future.

    Shoe #5 W W <two base units on Tie, allowing me to reduce my next bet which lost) L, W < same as before 2u on Tie, W W L W <another 2u on Tie).

    Shoe #6, LLW LLLW (6u top gear, agghhh), W (4u top gear),W (2u top gear) LW

    I had reduced my target of 15u down to 12 and then down to 8. However every time I placed a top gear bet, I hedged the Tie, and I was also tracking all the commission I was paying (I like to be precise haha), while the goal of 15 was reducing, the base unit Labby's became a nightmare and complete mess as you can see.

    upload_2022-5-17_13-8-14.png


    It was at this stage, due to time being on my side, pressure, whatever, I decided I was too uncomfortable playing at this level and I'm just one bad run away from it besoming a total disaster, a target waiting to be hit, maybe with a £20k+ BR, but not with anything less. From 15 down to 8 is good, BUT the lower base losses have added a further 6u, so I've only pulled back 1 unit.

    Either way, not comfortable with this, time is on my side, it's early, I decide to go for the grind. I wrote down 6 lines of 5 x 2's for a goal of 60 units, first bet 2 units.

    Nothing remarkable in the next 6 shoes, I lost 3iar a few times, what I did is slower, less pressure, I paid the cost of time rather than risking my bankroll. 4:20am, last shoe, this is where folk generally go crazy due to 5am closing, trying to win as much as poss' or recoup, I walked out the door by passing the cage, to trying and unwind and catch some ZZzzz's, overall I lost 24 base units, while acceptable, left me annoyed that for the day I had made nothing.

    Few hours broken sleep, come Monday, first I need to recoup those 24u, plus I need to make these 2 days worthwhile, so decided to make a goal target of 6 top gear bets, no point having so much cash and not use it, I got to loosen up a bit.

    It's a New Day

    What I find, is that in the vast majority of shoes, I can make on average 3 prime units per shoe using ABR, these are generally won within hands 17 ~ 32, bar the odd-ball craziness like this;

    upload_2022-5-17_13-30-2.png

    Lovely run of single Banks yap yap, that P streak delays winning, meaning I have to bet a little higher, also need to be wary if it repeats of is duplicated by any long Banker run. But I'm beginning to notice 3 larger units is the average I pull from most given shoes.

    Shoe #1 main target bets; WLL W<2u on tie, thank you very much), WW, reduced my goal to 3 top gear units, plus there were other base unit bets placed.

    Shoe #2 WL W <2u on tie, thank you very much again), WW and mission accomplished within 2 shoes, biggest bet 2u.

    Now I writing down a target of 20u at my 2nd level, as the prior profit was for yesterday!!!!

    Feeling pleased, shoe #3 I had 3LIAR which had me betting 9u, I may have stepped up for 1 more shoe, I just don't recall, it's a bit of a fog. I played 7.5 shoes from noon to 10pm. I cashed out, all my buyin, 1 plaque which was not used and the profit of 227 base units, which is close to being one of my most profitable successful UK sessions. I quipped to the manager who had to verify the payout, "don't worry, I didn't win it in one day" haha. I get minimum points, it bugs me, as it seems they only reward losers, sod them, I'll take it from the tables. also every time I visit this casino I'm half expecting to hear "sorry you're not allowed in", I expect the vibes will be heavy, they'll track everything money~wise on possibly Thursday.

    Popped in to a newly opened casino just up the way, more plush, wasn't impressed that they had roulette score cards on the Baccarat table, but I've unfinished business where I'm playing to think about going elsewhere.

    This time solely for my TROLL;

    upload_2022-5-17_13-57-3.png

    You should be happy cockfan, I'm getting the casinos back for taking all of your cash you gifted them at Woodies, ya stuttering mofo.

    Yours sincerely the limey kunt, eat your heart out, and get back to your testing, imbecile ....
     
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    As you know junket king you get basically absolutely zero re comps etc in skipptophia monopoly casinoverse, so I prefer to win and buy whatever I want with their money, or rather the losers money , the losers that only concern themselves with getting free accommodation, free meals etc. laughable really. They will lose $1000 to qualify for free parking or a $25 meal voucher.
    You take the cash , enjoy.
     
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  11. Junket King

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    Even in Vegas, some casinos offer 9-1 for the TIE

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    Adolf cockfan opens mouth, inserts foot.......
     
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    Some American casinos offer different wording that confuses the stupid.
    9 for 1 or 8 to 1 is the same thing. On the first layout they take your chip and give you 9 hence 9 for 1. In the second you keep your chip and they pay you 8. It works out to the same thing. I remember craps players running around claiming that a casino offered better odds and it was in the wording not the actual payout. To this day I can't believe people are that stupid but look who your arguing with.
     
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  13. Junket King

    Junket King Well-Known Member Compulsive Liar

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    Thanks for clearing that up, next time I go to Gentings which all offer 9-1, I'll take a picture of the table layout.

    Exactly
     
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    Regarding tie bet payout, I once saw an online casino that change the tie bet payout every time they deal a new decision... If I remembered correctly it's between 8-12 pay out...
     

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    this shit is now just embarrassing. Yikes
     
  16. Junket King

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    Just back from a somewhat flat session, tbh I didn't feel like going, but as the casino won't exactly send me money via the post, if I want it, I have to go and get it. Table opened at 1:30pm, buyin 100 base units, goal target 100 units.

    As I made a deposit to the bank a few days ago, not loaded to the hilt, decided to take things easy.

    Rather than write two Labby "md-range unit" strings of 2-2-2-2-2 and 2-2-2-2-2
    I went for 4 strings of 1-1-1-1-1

    Again flat betting DBL to keep the shoe going as I was playing solo

    Shoe #1 (target ABR bets shown only, there were other minor bets placed, such as 8Col-AM4), LWL WW
    Shoe #2 WL LLW L W(hedged Tie) LW WW
    Shoe #3 WW WW
    (shoe 3 produced 12 ties, I won none of them, as I had no reason to hedge the Tie)

    Half expecting a troublesome shoe, I wasn't to be disappointed!!!
    Shoe #4 give me 6 x BO's, this should be interesting, sure nuff, the 1/256 1st column sequence was repeated column 3, a little bit wary given what occurred a few sessions ago, alas at least it was early in the shoe, this meant that I still had the 6 x BO's betting column 4.

    Column 3 betting ran; no-bet, no-bet, L1 prime, L2 base, L3 base, L2 prime, L3 prime, L5 prime, no worries, lots of columns still to come, plus 6 x BO's still unresolved, lots of scope to to recoup.

    Column 4, W6 prime, W1 base, W1 base, W3 prime, W3 prime (job done)
    Column 5, I determined I wasn't going to see a triple repeat and another 16.7 million to 1 shot,, so bet the opposite of the prior repeating columns, well it did repeat until the 6th hand, then it changed. L1, 2, 4, 7, 10 base units, W20 base units.

    Shoe #5 WLL LLW WW
    Just to repeat what I've mentioned before, ABR is designed to produce manageable losing streaks, not win more often than lose, MM takes care of the rest.

    Shoe #6 L W(hedged Tie), W LLW LLW W
    Shoe #7 LL W(hedged Tie) W LWW

    I was labouring in this session, 2 "prime units" to go, arsed betting them, so converted them to "base units" and now focused on cleaning up the base unit Labby strings, just over 30 base units to capture, plus hardly any players??

    Two more shoes, I was betting too cautiously given my BR, but I just wanted to hit my target without drama and get out, in the end I gave up, one more shoe would have completed the task, but the cas' will still be there come Saturday, profit 92 base units, 8 chips shy of my goal. 7.5 hours play


     
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    Non-stops, complete utter bulls-shits fantasyland, al-relax style fiction, hey hey.
     
  18. Junket King

    Junket King Well-Known Member Compulsive Liar

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    In 2019 Adolph cockfan posted on this site he had tested 20000 shoes, that was close on THREE YEARS AGO, so I guess it has been broke, bitter and twisted for quite some time ha ha. Told ya, it doesn't get any better from here on in, maybe go to the top floor of the tenement, fold ya arms, mutter "hey, hey" and do a pivot off the top, I'm fairly certain you'll be better off, nobody wants to hear from a racist scum L O S E R.
     
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    Sox,

    besides the obvious history between u two, how can Junkys posts be truly unbelievable (fiction)? His details are the shit that happens at low limit areas, being forced the dbl bets to keep shoe moving etc....

    Everything he says makes sense and is completely believable.

    I'm guessing he's betting $10 to $25 units at his base level but then his bets gets huge as he gets behind, and finally captures his intended profit or recapture most of his losses.

    You can feel his stress/anxiety level through his writing betting this way with the big bets, but he seems to have the emotional, mental side, figured out (been there done that) don't like the high stress level.. flat bettin less stressful, I think you went thru similar phase but now at flat bet ezy way now.

    I.play in a similar way as junky for fun and as a slutty time 'fun' way to play bacarat. $10 tables here .

    Before I return to the serious (for me) $100 and $200 bets etc

    Thanks
     
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    Junky,

    Same time of.comment to.you. Sox flat Ben banker selectively does have merit in my eyes.. it's boring as fuck to.play and really requires no.skill just see the bet set up and robotically bet win or lose whole shoe. Of course i.havent tested/played thousands of shoes this method but his claims are believable and not outrageous +1.25 average a shoe over thousands of shoes.
    I just finished a 30 shoe casino trip and captured 25 units pre komish (.83) and yeah boring as fxxxxs to play and u have to keep betting robotically even though ur losing 6,7,8 in a row etc.

    And yeah, you have to have right casino environment/mindset to bet this method. You can not be forced to bet to keep shoe.moving etc...

    Anyway thanks for your posts, I still can't figure out what your betting on, but sorry to say I don't think your bet selection is optimal. But I know you have lots of experience and it's probably the best that you found and probably the best that it gets as I know you are a student/professor of the game.

    I will attempt to.force myself towrite out the W/L of my recent 30 shoe flat bet banker trip in my newly created thread so u can see the string... Thanks

    Yoyoyo CookASox
     

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