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Misc The VCT Thread!

Discussion in 'Miscellaneous Gambling Forum' started by Karen Nathan, Sep 23, 2019.

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  1. KewlJ

    KewlJ Well-Known Member

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    Thank you Mickey Crimm. For a while now, Tater tot/Moses has been posting a list of people that he claims don't believe me. Most are the known trolls types, like blackhole, Mdawg, coach belly, ect but he proudly associates with them. But you have also been on Moses's list. I tried to tell him, I didn't think he was speaking for you, but he just makes stuff up to suit himself. Moses has a hard time separating his dislike for someone with the fact that they may be who they claim and have some success. You can not like someone and still acknowledge that they know what the hell they are talking about.

    But anyway, thanks for clearing that up. Won't matter though. ;)
     
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  2. Tater

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    Cleared up? A weak person with a poor work ethic and weak count equals blackjack player earning a living? I dont think so Scooter.

    All MC said was he thinks you're better than ZK. Congrat's on such a huge accomplishment.o_O
     
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  3. KewlJ

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    This is another thing you have all wrong Moses. There most definitely is an AP community. I myself network with and exchange information with some successful blackjack players, just as I am sure mickey does with other machine players.

    But you separate that from the 'open' forums which have become mostly trolling fests now-a-days. So on the forums, I will troll back those trolling me. You can't seem to separate that out. I have shared some really good blackjack information this year in the blackhole thread and other threads, even at WoV, about what I do and how I do some of it. Information that should have been beneficial to anyone being objective. Could and should have been beneficial to even you. But you couldn't be objective. You saw everything through hate colored glasses.
     
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  4. Tater

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    No. I see you as a fraud.

    Four cards are dealt. I get to see 3 of them. Then make a decision. Very simple.

    KJ lies and manipulates to make his story seem credible. Very complex.

    But as with most pathological liars, he exposes himself.
     
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  5. KewlJ

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    Well I have got news for YOU Scooter. Without having ever met ZenKing, I can say he is a more successful card counter than you. He may have some problems yet accepting the variance that is part of the game (hopefully one day that will click for him), but otherwise he has demonstrated the knowledge and ability to win and he HAS won and supported himself. Maybe not at the level of GOAT that he feels the need to tell everyone.

    Meanwhile what have you done? You claim to make a living playing blackjack in a place that won't allow any meaningful stakes and won't allow any 'regular' player to play very long. A small rotation, low level town. There is not a serious blackjack player around that believes that.

    Your focus and attention is on the wrong thing, higher level and specialty counts. The only players focused on that are low level nickel players with the need to extract a few cents more from there red chip play. That just is NOT how you make any meaningful money or achieve longevity in todays blackjack world. That is 1980's thinking.
     
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  6. Tater

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    Put your money where your mouth is Queerj. Let's go black chip straight up. You be the house.

    Let's go $29k on where I live and what I own. You can afford to lose that much. No?

    Just keeping hiding behind that computer on the east coast. LMAO

    You give the 2 the same value as the 5. What an idiot! Zenking employs Wong Halves.
     
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  7. KewlJ

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    This is the very bravado type challenge that make you a joke. I am a professional player, making a living off the casinos. I am not interested in some 2 bit, short term pissing contest.

    Do you know how many times a day, Lebron James or Seth Curry, walking down the street are challenged by some nut job. Even if they accepted and some amateur were to sink a few trick shots and win a game of HORSE, it doesn't make the amateur a professional player does it?

    You have some real issues, insecurities and the need to try to prove something that no one cares about.
     
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  8. KewlJ

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    Wongs halves is a perfectly good count. If I were making a recommendation, naturally, it would be hi-lo.....that is all that is needed in today's world, plus offers the freedom to incorporate some advanced techniques that more complex counts don't. But if someone is already playing a level 2 or 3 count like Wong's Halves that is fine.

    I don't know where you came up with this nonsense about the 2 and 5 that you incessantly repeat. Anyone with even the slightest knowledge of card counting and effect of removal knows the 2 and 5 have different removal values. But guess what....the goal isn't to identify a surplus of 2's OR 5's. The goal is to identify a surplus of 10 value cards and aces. The 2's, 5's and other small cards are just there to balance out that effort of measuring the ace/10 richness of the remaining deck(s). You are putting way too much stock in the value of either 2's or 5's or any other small card. Their value is when they are depleted.
     
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  9. Tater

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    Run your sims idiot. You're thinking in the 80's with HILO.

    You're a threshold player at best. Most likely not a player at all. Prove me wrong!
     
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    Pro player? Weak and self professed. You're an addict living in a forum world.

    So you dont want to bet on your lies. Weak. Very weak.

    MDawg exposed you. LMAO
     
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  11. KewlJ

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    Dude, nearly ALL professional or serious players plays hi-lo (or similar level 1 count) including all the successful long running teams. Why do you think that is?

    Guys like you and others like T3 never understood what simulations really are. They are a tool and exercise, nothing more. In the end blackjack card counting play has a VERY slim advantage, if a player does everything right and maybe most importantly is making minimal errors. Every step you take away from the simplest play, the simplest count that identifies an advantage, increases error rate and ANY increase in error rate erases that slim advantage.

    Guys like you, proponents of higher counts and specialty counts, always point to simulations. I think all you play is done on computers with simulations, while real players, play in casinos where the real measuring stick is money won over the long term. THAT is what this game and card counting is about. It is that simple. I don't know why people like you want to try to re-write things.

    Print out your simulation and take it to the store and see what that gets you vs real money won. And when your simulation has no buying power just explain that the 2's and 5's have different effect of removal values. See if THAT makes a difference and they throw you a loaf of bread.
     
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  12. KewlJ

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    I have tried with you. I really have. I don't know why. You are a nut.
     
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  13. Tater

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    But no pro rants on forums like a stupid lazy highly emotional queer.

    Tarzan is an Advantage Player. He has developed a game to minimize volatility. I was able to add alot of T3 ideas to my game.

    You are a threshold player. You read one sentence and consider it the Holy Grail. You write about how much you enjoy sucking dicks.:rolleyes:

    As for teams? They should've dropped the 2 and counted the 5 twice. Easy peasy for anyone, except KJ. He's in the parking lot shining knobs.
     
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  14. KewlJ

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    Threshold player is another term you have latched onto lately and incessantly repeat. Not sure your meaning, but if it is about identifying and playing levels better tolerated, below different thresholds that draw more attention, then yes I am a threshold player. That is how a player achieves longevity. If you have some other meaning, well I don't know.

    The rest of these two lines highlights the hate and bigotry that is your basic problem I am quite sure both on and off the forums. Yes, I am gay, so what? Gay guys sometimes enjoy sucking dick. I sometimes say that kind of thing that some may find vulgar specifically to troll back and bother those trolling and hating on me. That is what troll forums are.

    That you can't seem to separate that and your hate and homophobia is really the basis of all your problems.
     
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  15. KewlJ

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    Moses, sincerely, if you would just let go of your hate and bigotry and stop seeing everything through hate colored glasses, and instead see what is really there your life would be so much richer. Hate consumes and destroys people from within. But I know you can't do any of that.
     
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    Im straight. So what? Not going to talk about sexual activity with women I date on a gambling forum. What a friggin idiot!

    You dont know the difference between a threshold and an advantage? You really are limited by your lack of education. How did you ever get though HS?

    It has nothing to do with hate. Has everything to do with hard work, common sense, being honest, and human decency. You have none of it. So it's frustrating to read you think you've accomplished somethng.
     
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  17. Tater

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    So let me get this straight. In KJs crazy internet world. The homeless guy who lives 500 miles away found KJ. Even went to his residence.

    But the rich guy who lives in Vegas cant find KJ even after he told him where he is.

    KJ is a joke.
     
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  18. beachedwhale

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    LOLZ at anyone thinking a gay guy would be bothered by someone telling him he sucks dick. Well yeah, that’s what gay guys do. This martian will be trying to insult us straight guys by telling us to go fuck a vagina soon. What a fucking retard!
     
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    KJ writes: Moses making a living in Reno playing the sweaty red chip capitol of the world day in and day out? ok, I'll buy it.

    Tater says: Making a living? lol It is a profitable venture I consider worth my time and money investment. When I was raising a fam. There were years of $250k in my biz and other endeavors. It was NOT easy. Sometimes I wonder how I endured the manuer.

    Now, if I still had to help with 3 college tuitions, then it certainly wouldnt be doable. But for a retired guy with no bills? I take what they give me. And THAT works out to be a very nice income. But I could live without it.
     
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  20. KewlJ

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    Ok, so I just read through your introduction to the community on BJTF back in 2013. I was looking for where you said you were a 30 year blackjack player and sports bettor. I couldn't find it, but many of your early posts have apparently been deleted and just say "delete", so it might have been one of them. Not sure if it was you that did the deleting or Norm as Norm has also deleted some of my posts. It is also possible that what I read wasn't even at Norm's forum but at ZenZone, which is now history, so no way to find your posts.

    So let me ask you straight up. Whatever your playing career entails, 2013 or prior through 2021....how much money have you made playing blackjack?

    BTW, you insulted some pretty successful players in 2013, right off the bat, Soloplayer (who was a successful top notch player and member), moo321 and even Norm among them. Took only a few pages before Norm gave the "I don't have time for this". Moo321 you challenged to come to Reno and play you 1on 1. Sounds familiar....not much has changed in 8 years. :confused:

    So anyway, please get back to me with those answers.
     
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