Misc The VCT Thread!

C and C were OK, but I much preferred listening to Firesign Theater when I blazed during college.

Here's a short excerpt called "Beat the Reaper", a comedy sketch by The Firesign Theatre on the 1968 album Waiting for the Electrician or Someone Like Him

 

Interesting. Very surreal humor. My college days began when Up in Smoke first came out.

Those long bus rides. One guy would do a great impression of C and C. And he'd do John Beluchi from Saturday night live. The cheeseburger cheeseburger routine. He'd have us rolling.

My lady friend is a science fiction person. Loves Outer Limits, Night Gallery, Star Trek etc etc.
Hates to be called "lady" friend.

 

Mr V writes to KJ: Some may troll for the reasons you hypothesize, but there are others who in all likelihood have not failed, they just found they enjoy trolling.

A forum member can recognize a troll headed their way and then they have two choices: ignore or respond.

Ignoring stops the troll in its tracks; responding gives the troll prey to latch onto, leech-like, leading to it sucking the joy out of the one trolled.

I think you're sort of lucky to have so much first hand experience being trolled by Rob: it's akin to seeing the face of Jesus in a grilled cheese sandwich.

Tater says: Very good post.

The face ofJesus in a grilled cheese sandwich?

Put down the doobie and walk away slowly. SLOWLY.

 

KJ writes: Kind of funny that mickeycrimm is now calling me out for trolling. He ignores posts like Rob's (2 above), but when I respond, I am the bad guy. It was mickey''s "motto" that when trolled you should hit back twice as hard. When he did it, it was good. When I apply that same motto, I am the bad guy.

Tater says: poor poor KJ. Always the victim.


KJ writes: 5 years ago, when many of us left Gambling Forums, at least from serious posting about our AP and gambling experiences

Tater says: Seriously? All I see was you constant bitching.

 

Overall KJ and his blackjack claims seem credible to me, but I cannot quite understand why he participates in the troll fest with Rob Singer.

Singer is a master at the trolling game and every time KJ responds to his troll Rob must smile broadly.

Funny: Singer obviously feels he has nothing to lose by trolling, whereas KJ seemingly feels he has everything to lose (i.e. credibility) if he doesn't respond to Rob's attacks.

It would be so much easier if KJ were to post something to the effect of "Good luck in life Rob, I am done responding to your trolls" and then actually not respond.

KJ's penchant of saying he'll never post again, only to post not long after, is a real head-scratcher and obviously provides fodder for Singer's cannon.

 

Got to give the UNKOOL1 a shred of credit. He gets annihilated by Singer. Obliterated by Tater. Pulverized by MichelD on the daily and he keeps bitch slapping back. At least he has Comrade Dietz on his side, along with good words from V and occasional niceties from Boz. The fact remains is ultimately he is very UNKOOL !

 

Good point Ozzy. About all KJ is good for is hiding behind a computer and typing lies on forums.

 

I am happy to share my reasoning with this MrV. This trolling business can wear you down. Especially when 3 different haters are trolling one person and lying and making shit up. Sometimes I get to the point that I am exhausted dealing with these trolls and my frustration shows when I say, Fuck it, I am done with this crap.

But then a short time later I revert back to my normal mentality that I am not going let allow these trolls and haters decide that for me. That is exactly what these bullies are after. And I have been dealing with bullies my whole life.

So understand this: Despite that I may indeed at times get frustrated, I will NEVER...never ever allow these trolls and haters to drive me from anything. If I ever decide to stop posting here or anywhere, it will be because I decide it is no longer fun or of interest. It will NEVER be the troll's and hater's that decide for me. NEVER, NEVER, NEVER!

 

No need for us to lie or make up anything. Just repeat what you say.
You are your own worst enemy. Cock sucker. Yep, you bragged about that too.

Necrophillia. You threatened that too.

The above post is music the Singer's ears.

 

Have you seen Singer's ears with so much hair growing out they look like a bush (old men's issues). I doubt he can hear anything, much less music.

Homoses, you people all troll me, but give me little credit for trolling back. Do you realize most of the gay references I now make are just to get some of you old, obviously homophobic asshole's boiling? And it works every time.

Now speaking of cock sucker, today, I have spent most of my day relaxing by the pool. Beautiful day! I saw, met and talked a bit to a cute guy I hadn't seen around the building before. No, I haven't sucked anything...yet. From the looks of "things" through his bathing suit, he is uncut, which isn't my favorite, but not always a deal breaker if well groomed. I'll keep ya posted on future developments.

 

That's okay. I don't care about your cock sucking ability. But by your own admission you are very proud of it.

One can call KJ a cocksucker and actually be giving him a compliment.

 

So then I take it you are having "fun" with the ongoing flame-fest?

I can understand how that could be the case, you trying to "beat the barbarians back from the gate."

But when it affects your ability to count and earn a living then it might be time to reevaluate things a bit.

Flame on...

 

KJ writes: And all three of these guys constant posting of movie clips and scenes is a major red flag of people detached from reality and living in some make believe Hollywood fantasy world

Tater says: And the little puke who could barely finish HS thinks he is a psychologicist. What a waste of humanity.

 

Mr V writes:
But when it affects your ability to count and earn a living then it might be time to reevaluate things a bit.

Tater says; It would if he ever had time to play. He is too busy bitching on forums.

 

Mcduck writes to Zen King; POSTING PROFANITY FILLED RANTS IN ALL CAPS EVERY TIME YOU HAVE A -1.8 SD SESSION IS DEFINITELY NOT NORMAL FOR A PROFESSIONAL.

Tater says: Or stop playing shoes. Play double deck with your Wong Halves. Switch the tag value of the 3 and 7.

 

KJ writes: The only person that had math that could explain and back up their ability to win was Moses. With Moses, I challenged the amounts. A player can't do what he claimed in RENO.

Tater asks: Two questions. What amount did I claim? How much should I have made?

 

Moses, I don't want to keep dwelling on and repeating this crap. years ago when you showed up you claimed that you made a living playing blackjack and sportsbetting in Reno. I think you made that claim multiple places, Zenzone and Norm's forum. That raised quite a few eyebrows because like it or not most serious players that know and play Reno, knew it is not possible to make a living playing Reno. reno is a small sweaty town with limited games. I had a very similar problem with Atlantic City. A player needs a bigger rotation so he doesn't see the same faces (dealers and pit) all the time. You can do that in Vegas with a much larger rotation or a lot of players travel around to different locations, essentially creating a very big rotation.

I don't remember you stating a specific amount. All I know is you said making a living or professional player or something to that effect. And no offense to you but averaging 10k a year is not really making a living, nor professional. Unfortunately those posts are gone. Zenzone is no more and on Norm's forum, I can't find half the posts, including many of mine that used to be there. Make of that what you will.

You have come clean about the amount you made which goes to your level of play. And there is nothing wrong with that. If you were or are in a financial position where you are supplementing retirement or whatever....good for you. I hope to be there some day.

Either way, let's just move on with life. Life is too short and the only one benefitting from this is the administrator here, who thinks this kind of traffic is good traffic for a gambling forum, when it isn't.

 

The key Phrase is "making is living" is far more for you than what it is for me to make a living.

I doubt there is one month out of the year my expenses exceed $1,000 a month. Pretty much taxes, insurance, and utilities. If I take a trip it's on a month where expenses are virtually nil. Remodeling house comes out of both blackjack and sportsbets. I didn't separate it out.

My goal was to put in artificial turf and remodel master bath. But the funds will have to come from sportsbets. I could just do it.. But where is the challenge in that's? So I'm looking at ways to loosen the bolts and make more money.

I'm curious as to what you thought should have been made in a decade. Non gamblers said I'd be broke and my house would lose 50% value in a year. Gamblers think $30k is poultry.

What's your number? And we'll probably go with that one.

 

Moses, I don't know. maybe 40-50k? whatever amount necessary for a person to live a normal life, pay rent, or a mortgage, taxes, utilities, put gas in the car/truck, pay medical insurance, buy food.

My first 3 years of playing in Atlantic City, I made 10k, 9k, and 12k. I averaged 10k a year. I was 20, 21, 22, and 23 part of the 3rd year. I was singles, had a roommate, that I split rent with, no medical insurance, didn't drive. Again, we are talking 20, 21 22 year old. I left a job in retail paying not really much more after taxes, so that wasn't much of a cut.

Now was I making a living those first 3 years. Well, I paid my bills. But I don't think most people consider 10k a year a living wage. I do include those first 3 years when I say something like I am in my 19th year supporting myself from blackjack, but I really consider my time as a professional player my final year in Pa/AC and my time in Vegas all of which I averaged more than 50k. That is a reasonable living wage.

I am not trying to be judgmental of people. If someone can earn 25k, gambling, playing blackjack, or some other occupation and they can pay their bills and consider that a comfortable living....that is fine.

I am sure you know the Flash story. Late in his posting at Norm's forum. He revealed some numbers. I forget the exact numbers. But he had one really big year of a couple hundred k, when he was playing on a hole-card team. the other years, he averaged 22k a year I think it was, for about 15 years. And he always said he was a professional player for 20 years. Do you think that was honest? y the way, it is my understanding his wife worked during that whole times, so he never really paid his living expenses off his blackjack earnings.

I don't know, if someone says or implies that they are a fulltime player, or professional player, or gamble for a living, I just sort of expect 40-50k at least and able to pay all normal living expenses.

Now back to your specific case. If you had said, you had done well in life was sort of retiring early or semi-retiring and playing blackjack and betting sports and hoping to make 10, 15k because that is all your expenses were at this point of your life, I would have never said a thing. But the idea of anyone playing professionally in Reno, making what most would consider a decent living is just not going to happen. That is not what Reno is.

 

I wish I made $40-$50k. Before Norm, I got banned alot. But soon I learned there are worse things than getting banned. Like not getting a fair game and preferential shuffling.

Getting a fair game shrunk the number of casinos a good bit. Then many stopped offering the game or closed after covid.

Red chip players now flock the green chip tables. Thus almost impossible to get a straight up game. If I ask them to increase minimum bet, it's like putting a target on my back.

If I could still play. After covid, I'd only play black chip. And it's offered only on Friday night until late Sunday afternoon.

I suppose I could've made $50k. But I got lazy. There are other things I wanted to do besides chase down good games.