Misc The VCT Thread!

Jbjb writes: Funny how these "quit while ahead" advocates are habitual losing gamblers.

Taters says: It's "a" consideration. Not "the" consideration. When the 70's tune and lyrics go off in my head "there is something happening here. What it is ain't exactly clear."

I'd rather leave with a profit than know I played "their" game and lost. The "long run" is horse shit.

 

Stop limits? Sooner or later everyone leaves the game.

Session win, loss, tie, interruption. To hell with their game. Compete your ass off, play within their limits, and be willing to accept whichever result comes first. Then move on. That's my game. And the only one I have to live with. Haven't gone broke yet. Like being on scholarship.

 

Monet writes: Funny you bring this up again.
The Evil Empire, Boyd Gaming, is now forcing large favorites to lay 2.5 goals when betting the Puck Line.
Obviously they are hip.
I hope this doesn't catch on.

Tater says: Hmmm. Might be a good opportunity for middling.

 

So Alan advocates leaving the machine when ahead. KJ goes all night long. No one sits at a machine forever.

So which is it? Something makes even the most hard-core gambler stop.

 

KJ writes: Stop limits (quitting while ahead) are not stop limits unless the player stops playing forever! Otherwise, it is really a pause limit and changes nothing except that the next round played will be tomorrow or next week instead of 2 minutes from now.

Tater says: KJ answered my question as I was typing it. Ok then, pause limit. Fatigue? Someone sits down next to you that's blowing smoke in your face? The machine is kicking your ass? Go to dinner?

 

Mr V writes: You are at a pop vending machine and put in your money and request a Coke.

Out comes your Coke, and another, and another...all the Cokes in the machine are dispensed yet you only ordered one.

Do you keep the extra Cokes?

If not, why not, and how does this scenario differ from the DUB?

Tater says: You make a sportsbet and get 3 drink coupons that expire in 24 hours. You decide to go to movie rather than watch the game. The cocktail waitress accepts the coupons two days later.

We can go on and on with morality scenarios. Perhaps the "take what they give you" approach works best.

If a mult millionaire drops a $20 bill. Do you pick it up and run him down to give it back? Is that not about the same percentage as what Singer got away with?

I like money as much as the next guy. But I'm not going to jail over it. Casinos tend to take care of issues within. So you could be getting you ass kicked. Access the risk vs reward.

Gamblers in a casino are a different bread than choir boys playing bingo in the church basement.

 

Alan writes in response to KJ.
A stop limit is a point where you decide to stop betting or investing for whatever time period you choose.

It has nothing to do with altering any odds or disadvantage or advantage.

It doesnt alter the math of any game.

It's a personal decision based on your own parameters.

Why are you trying to create issues that don't exist? Why do you have to turn everything into an argument?

Think about this: you can set a stop limit when your bladder bag is full or when your catheter starts leaking.
It's all about quitting when ahead.

Tater says: The only time I'm at a machine is going through free play. I use it and keep what remains. My lady friend and another who plays video poker seem to do very well. But near as I can tell, there is no rhyme or reason for starting or stopping. Thus your dialog with KJ leaves me curious.

If it were me, I'd play through a set amount and stop when I hit my profit goal set. Accept the profit or loss at the end of playing through the set amount.

 

Over at VCT UNKewlJ continues to cry over that no one believes him.

accountinquestion on the UNKewl one: Literally, your story is something anyone who cares enough could figure out via books and reading the internet. While I find your stuff interesting to read, you've never said anything interesting except for some story you told me in private. I believed it but now I wonder if I wasn't just fed bullshit. At the time I thought you were a legitimate person and have taken things from that convo as true. I now believe this was a mistake.

accountinquestion on the UNKewl one: You on the other hand are not that believable

 

KJ writes: If you drive to the casinos and set a limit that if I get ahead $200 I will stop and after 2 minutes you hit that, why are you stopping? To preserve what? Are you going to play again, in a few days?

Tater says: Suppose I put $1,000 into a machine with a goal of playing 1,000 spins at $1 per spin. My goal is to win $200. In 2 minutes I win $200. I feel great. Now I play through the rest of the spins and give back the profit and lose another $200. Now I feel like shit and have to win $400 to get to the goal I originally set.

What am I missing?

 

AQ to KJ: right is right and wrong is wrong says kewl. People like you are a big why the world is fucked up. You do not owe a corporation any sort of morality. It is not a real person. It is designed to fuck you amongst other things. Literally, thats what corporations do. There are exceptions but it ain't casinos.

Tater says: Amen Bother AQ. I've sat through my fair share of morality sermons. It's as though the one speaking claims to have live their entire life and never farted.

KJ is what makes VCT go. Like an engine without oil. I wonder how much Dandruff pay him? Monet should get double.

 

KJ writes
I just think if players are going to go to a casino and play for fun (recreationally) and there are a couple little AP type things they can do to win a little or even lose less, maybe they should consider that

Tater says: I can't remember ever having fun while losing. Thus I prefer not to watch games where I place a significant bet. There are millionaires whizzed over losing $50 a game or a $10 parlay. Confusing and amusing.

 

UNKewlJ one just keep repeating himself mindlessly at VCT, desperate for affirmation. People stopped paying attention to him long ago, and this really bothers him.

accountinquestion on the UNKewl one: You on the other hand are not that believable

 

I can play your stupid game Mdouche.

[q=Ace2]I think MDawg's posts are mostly based on truth or he has a vivid imagination. But I know they are not the whole truth because he never reports his losses (which exceed his wins).
[/q]

 

The difference of course is that every one of those individuals you quoted past present and future despises UNKewlJ and has never had a good word to say about him whereas every one of the above is on MDawg’s side today in all respects including in putting the UNKewl one down.

MickeyCrimm on the UNKewl one: Everyone is right about you, KJ. You're just a bullshit hypocrite. Too candy ass to back your own words up.
YOU HAVE NO CREDIBILITY. REPEAT. YOU HAVE NO FUCKING CREDIBILITY. YOU'RE THE LAUGHING STOCK OF THE GAMBLING FORUMS. CAN'T BACK YOUR OWN FUCKING WORDS UP, LOSER.

R.Singer on the UNKewl one: You came here to try AS HARD AS POSSIBLE to make others believe that you're some "Man-About-Town" pro BJ player, who does nothing but win win win while making complete fools out of casino bosses, casino security, and casino management.

As you can see, few anywhere buy your bullshit. Which begs the question WHY do something so stupid? The answer is simple and obvious: you're a loser in life, a loser in gambling, and a very weak person who gets jealous enuf to make up story after story about those who have succeeded where you have failed.

Bosox about the UNKewl one: Seriously who would give a fuck if you died today?

 

Kj writes: Of course playing with an advantage doesn't guarantee winning anything, even long-term if the player is a bad player. Easily distracted, making mistakes or chasing loses or anything along those lines.

Taters says: Something is really messed up when you're getting a 10,j,,q,k and a non 10 when dealer is getting two card 20 about 1 every 3 hands. Greatest card counter in the world can't beat that.

 

If you're getting twelves and thirteens all night long no amount of advantage play will save you.

 

Mdawg: do you run into decks where you get a face with a non face vs dealers face which has a face in the hole?

Then you double a get a small card. But get a face when you hit. Strange. Happens far too often at one casino

 

It happens, Tater.

 

At VCT the UNKewl one started a rambling thread in yet another desperate effort to teach one theory of math he read in an eighth grade level book.

No one is buying it.

Monet on the UNKewl one:
Cause he is nothing but a Gay, Lying, Dirty, Stinky, Smelly Rat!
Rob Singer is Right.
kewlJ is a Phony Bullshit Artist.
And not a very good one at that.

 

AccountInQuestion started a poll at VCT about how much it bothers the UNKewl one that no one believes him and everyone views him as a . You know, like Monet says:

monet on the UNKewl one:
You are too serious.
You lie too much.
You don't get the jokes.
You are the Joke!

Well, as usual, psychologist R.Singer NAILED the UnKewl one in his post:
RobSinger on the UNKewl one: Kew is a proven liar and would always and forever either deflect or deny any criticism, doubts, or comments that don't make him "shine" online. And he certainly isn't ever going to admit to how devastating it is to him every time I surgically cut into him with the truth about his concocted and silly internet forum "life".

Notice how he keeps saying that I don't believe he plays bj. I always have said I do. He plays just as any local yocal does as an addict. He is no "professional bj player", in fact, he has a total of zero skills or talents in life which is beyond obvious. He simply lives for positive reactions from others on forums, which because he rarely gets it is the reason he is the number one argument-starter ever.

Pathetically, this is where his life is mainly lived--in case anyone hasn't figured that out yet. And whenever you see a person as weak as he is blurt out that what someone says about him doesn't affect him (as he watches TV etc.!! ) then you know it was a direct hit. The added bonus #1 with this guy is how you can almost SEE & FEEL the puny little twit jumping up and down, screaming like a toddler who just got his baba taken away by a big bad bully. Bonus #2? He posts long-winded, rambling drama-laced "I NEED TO set the record straight or I'll go OUT OF MY MIND!" paragraphs that never seem to satisfy, as he then repeats the same things over and over again.

Best to just ask kew how close he is to faking his own death again.