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Misc The VCT Thread!

Discussion in 'Miscellaneous Gambling Forum' started by Karen Nathan, Sep 23, 2019.

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  1. Tater

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    Fuck you and your game. WE have a score to settle. You're a liar, a coward, and a rat. You call me out and then run? Ain't gonna happen Nancy.
    The longer you wait the more advantage to me.
    You know where I live, where I hang out. I'm easy to find.

    Stop your little victim game of candy ass with Mdawg and back up your words. You of all people have no reason to call anyone out. Especially on forums..

    Put on your big boy pants.
     
  2. Tater

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    Those names never won a single hand for me. Grow up silly boy.

    What's played is what still remains. Not throwing good money after bad is the key to profits.
     
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  3. Tater

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    KJ quoting more names from books as opposed to on hands experience.

    The Wong Halves card counting system was developed by Stanford Wong and was introduced in his book, Professional Blackjack, in 1975. Stanford Wong is actually an alias for John Ferguson, a well-known, professional blackjack player.

    1975? :rolleyes: You're a weak fuck KJ. WEAK.
     
  4. Tater

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    Wong Halves had tag values for 92% of the cards in a deck. Plus he assigned the 5 triple the value of the 2.

    KJ'S dumbass only accounts for 77% of the deck in best case scenario. And gives the 2 and 5 equal value. Now he wants to disregard cards already played because he floated by saw some small cards come out? Maybe big cards come in the hand before he didn't see.

    What you see is what you get? What you don't account for burns your ass. You're better off throwing darts at the tote board in the sportsbook.

    5 minutes behind a table counting cards seem like an eternity. 1st the players look at you, then the dealer, then the pit boss, and there is always the EITS.
     
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  5. KewlJ

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    Moses, I see you have spent the last day and a half reading up on Wong. For a guy who presented himself as such an expert, you really seem to know very little about Blackjack history and even less about how to play today conditions. I guess you get a little pass on that because what play you have done has been Reno.

    Wong mostly played hi-lo. In an interview when asked what count he played he answered that he started with two different counts introduced by Thorp back in the 60's, one of them being The Thorp Unltimate count which has a different value and Tag for every card value. It is a level 10 count. Wong stated that it was just too exhausting and when Thorp's second edition came out 2 years later introducing hi-lo, he switched to that and played it most of his career. He gave his reasoning that Hi-lo was better in identifying advantages in multi-deck games where every card is not seen. The very conditions I and almost every real player plays today.

    Yes, Wong later came out with a count with his name Wong's Halves, just as Ken Uston had like 3 different counts with his name that he never played. These guys did this for marketing and selling books. The truth is what I have been saying for 15 years now that once 6 and 8 deck shoe games became the norm back in the 80's, any count higher than a level 2 was simply overkill. Very diminishing returns.

    And every real and serious player since then has adhered to that. A few people like Norm and Schlesinger played the level 2 counts that they first learned rather than switch to hi-lo, but anything more than level 2 is a waste. It just is. These higher level counts that were invented for deeply dealt single deck game, and that YOU promote are just not how players win in todays games, and the games for the last 30 years.

    But whatever Moses, you think you know it all. Problem is you are spouting theories from the 1970's.
     
  6. KewlJ

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    Once shoe games became the norm in the 80's, every count became a partial count because there are 2 decks that are not played and you never see the cards. Let me repeat that again, every count is a partial count with 2 decks work of unseen cards.

    You simply don't need to see every card to be able to identify an advantage and in fact wong proved you reall only need see a very minamal number of cards. That is the basic of Wonging. I can't say I understand all the math behind it, but he proved it and that is good enough for me.
     
  7. Tater

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    You're the one who did the name dropping dipshit.

    I'm very familiar with Wong Halves. No need for a half day. I know that count like the back of my hand.. Horrible count for today's single deck game.

    The removal all 5s in a single deck provide a 2.77% advantage to the player. This nearly doubles the 2.

    Get a clue McGoo.
     

  8. Tater

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    As I said. A fresh deck is standard 16 tens 4 Aces.

    If two decks are played out of shoe, you don't know what came out. A single deck generally grows in either a negative or positive direction.
    Rarely, does it come out back at TC0. Thus the challenge of not getting positive decks shuffled away

    Too much for you to understand.

    Your bragging, assumptions, and laziness are a disgrace to the Tarzans who actually study and make their own game. Instead of just reading a couples of lines in a book and making it gospel.
     
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  9. Tater

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    No matter what decade.
     
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    I have nothing against Tarzan. I communicated with him privately for a couple years.

    When Tarzan came to Las Vegas, he asked to meet with Shackleford, showed Mike " the Tarzan count" and Shackleford dismissed it saying it was "a parlor trick" that had no real value in counting cards in today's environment. What Shackleford was saying was exactly what I am talking about. These higher level counts have very diminishing returns and value.

    I know it has worked for Tarzan, but it just is not how, nor necessary to win today's games.
     
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    So 2 decks are removed before the 1st card is played. That leaves 4 decks of who know what the fuck remains. Now you're going to billyboppin up to a table and jump in because you saw some small cards come out after what one or two decks? So you're jizzin in your shorts because you think you have a shoe composition of TC2? Hell it could even or negative.

    I wouldn't want to be the house against Tarzan in a 2 deck game. Nor would I want to be the house against me in a straight up single deck game.
     
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    With 67% pen (two decks removed) your figures not mine. You have 204 cards to work with and you only count. 77%. Of the cards.. That is 157 cards or about 50% of a 6 deck shoe. Provided the count doesn't get so negative you're forced to exit.

    I'm surprised you make any profit. Let alone a living.
     
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  13. KewlJ

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    Dude, being that you read everything I have ever written, you know damn right well, I don't play any game like that. The last time I played 67% on a 6 deck was at the Borgata in AC 14 years ago. And the last time I played 2 decks cut off an 8 deck game was also AC.

    I am done discussing in detail what I do and how I play.
     
  14. Tater

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    Actually, I read very little about what your whiny ass writes.

    But you said Wong cut off two decks.

    Why do you even bother to count? You accomplish very little with it.

    So glad you are finally going to shut the fuck up.
     
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    Even if you getting 75% pen. You are still only accounting for 57% of the cards played. That's provided you start at card 1 and play all the way thru the shoe.

    No one believes you're this great pro. I'm simply pointing at the "math" to shoe why they shouldn't.

    You better worry about your own game before stick your nose in other players business.
     
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  16. KewlJ

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    Dude you have made 100k over 10 years by your own admission. In about the same time frame, my 12+ years in Vegas, I have made over a million dollars from blackjack and over 1.3 million overall from APing. Don't tell me what I have or haven't accomplished.

    Do whatever the fuck you want. Count every card twice if that is what you want. It isn't how real blackjack AP's win in this day and age. It gets you ZERO extra benefit. Today's game is about identifying an advantage, getting the money down and getting out, living to play another day. All this crap you are talking is just voodoo nonsense that guys that don't really play except on simulator on their computer talk about. T3 did the same thing. Your methods just are not how players win in 2022, or even the last 30 years.
     
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  17. Tater

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    You play with little to no advantage. I don't think you know the difference between an advantage and a threshold.

    You just want folks to believe so desperately. Anyone can want down numbers on a post.

    Your game is weak. Your are weak. And you spend most of your time on forums.
     
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  18. Tater

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    You read a couple of lines in a book years ago and you think you're the holy grail of blackjack players.

    There is nothing wrong with renting a condo with two other guys. I did it my sophomore year in college. We had a blast. Ton's of babes coming and going.

    Of course you wouldn't know much about that either.
     
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  19. Tater

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    Hilarious. Your lack of education prohibits you from understanding so it's voodoo nonsense.

    Lazy. Loser.
     
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  20. KewlJ

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    Dude, you are just a crazy person.

    Does it make you feel better to make up lies that everyone knows are lies? You and goofdog both do this. Does it make you feel better because it doesnt change reality.
     

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