Misc The VCT Thread!

What did I lie about? You lack education. You are a drama queen. Clearly, You don't know much about the math of blackjack.

To you it's all one big who you know and congeniality contest which you continue to lose at miserably.

Now there will be a day our paths will cross. Doubt it will be a pleasant one for you.

Do you have a mental deficiency to cope with real life? Or are you just plain stupid?

 

I'm still waitin for the kewl-j to pony up the detail, specific about how the El-Cortez put the kibosh on his style by cheatings intentional, hey hey!!!!

 

It was over 4 years ago. The details are well known. Try looking it up.

And El cortez, didn't put the kibosh on anything. ElCo has remained one of my top properties almost every year.

I'll repeat it but I don't think you are being sincere. I think you are trying to start trouble. 4 years ago, ElCo rearanged and expanded their pits. They increased the DD blackjack games from 2 to 4, with 2 new games with newer CSM. There new tables and machines were on the corners of the pit, as opposed to the regular games in the middle. Almost immediately I began to notice two things. 1) every shoe or times through the card either reached a count of +4 or -4. And 2) on the many times the count was +4, I rarely won.

I suspected some sort of unnatural card clumping. Depending on where the high card clump was, the count would either go positive before the high card clump came out or negative after it had come out. I tracked over 200 shoes or times through the cards, playing some and just watching some. 192 of those shoes or 96% either reached a count of +4 or -4. This was way out of line with what would occur randomly.

So I posted the info at Norm's blackjack site because I wanted to warn players. Being that I was not a member of Norms site, I had to create a second account. And as often happens, someone else took that discussion to WoV almost immediately. Within a few days of those discussions at those two forums, El Cortez pulled the 2 entire tables and shuffle machines and they haven't been seen again.

Now it turns out there was a small team of AP's that knew about these new machines and the caard clumping and were able to take advantage of it. So when I blew the whistle, they weren't too happy about it.

There was also some discussions about filing a complain with Nevada gaming, and one of the parties looking into that contacted Mr Nersesian, but I as an active player, was absolutely was unwilling to be the face of that complain. Michael Shackleford who was out of town when this went down, eventually expressed an interest in being the face of the complaint, but by that time several weeks had passed and the machines (and tables) were long gone off the floor.

Some people don't beleive these newer model machines have the ability to clump. Other know they do. I don't know why people would think the machines don't have the ability to clump, when they clearly can put the cards in any order they want. Once you accept that, you are left trusting that no casino would use that technology. Well, anybody that knows this industry should know better.

The funny thing was, I was just trying to warn other players and it turned out a small group of AP's were pissed at me. If I had it to do over again, I obviously would say nothing and just protect myself and screw everyone else.

 

As well, as usual the UNKewl one is just repeating what he heard "The details are well known," trying to make it seem like he was involved personally.

accountinquestion on the UNKewl one: Literally, your story is something anyone who cares enough could figure out via books and reading the internet. While I find your stuff interesting to read, you've never said anything interesting except for some story you told me in private. I believed it but now I wonder if I wasn't just fed bullshit. At the time I thought you were a legitimate person and have taken things from that convo as true. I now believe this was a mistake.

accountinquestion on the UNKewl one: You on the other hand are not that believable

accountinquestion nails down how questionable UNKewlJ is: I actually thought you had credibility. I now regret repeating that story to others where I come across as "I have it on good authority" with what is likely a at best 50/50 story.

Mission146 on the UNKewl one: I'll just assume everything that he says from this point forward is a lie and that's good enough for me.

 

This is just flat out illogical and wrong. Betting in blackjack is defined and resolved as win, loss, or push after each hand. A bet on a game is not resolved after each quarter. Thus, there is no comparison between partial counts and blackjack betting and quarter scores and full game betting.

If you are going to make silly, wrong analogies, there's no point in engaging with you. You're just flat out wrong regarding something simple and obvious.

 

Hypocrite lecteur (and dumbass liar) UNKewlJ tries to get on R.Singer for posting after he said he would not: Since he has already posted again only 38 minutes after what he self claimed would be his final post, I formally request Dan Druff to hold him to that proclomation.

etc. etc.

 

A single deck of 52 cards is exact. Every NBA game is 48 minutes. Point is, it really doesn't matter the score at the end of the 1st quarter unless it's a complete blowout.

I can adjust my game going throgh the deck because I know exactly what has been played and still remains to be played. The first quarter doesn't matter much. The money is made in the last quarter of a single deck.

Now with a partial count in a shoe you don't know what was taken away in the first place. So it is likely far different from a standard deck deck. Then you jump in mid shoe without knowing what been played because you saw some small cards come out? C'mon maan.

I say, hey Richard, the Warriors just went in a 15-0 run. It means nothing if you don't know the score before the run.

 

Mdawg. It's clear KJ cannot answer the simplest questions and is baffled by the math of the game. Then become frustrated and evades or throws a tantrum.

I don't know if he has a mental deficiency or is just plain stupid.

 

And that is why playing shoes are a bad time and money investment.
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Covid. You often didn't know who was playing and who was sitting. Maybe they aren't using a 24 second clock. Maybe 30. Or 45. Or not at all.

Maybe the game will be 48 minutes. Maybe less.

There are so many variables in a shoe you can't possibly determine the outcome. Counting cards is one thing and Hilo is easy. Knowing the deck composition is quite another and worth the work.

 

Right. And one thing we know about UNKewlJ is that he is stupid. Low intelligence and very poor memory - can't even keep his simple lies that he posts online straight. No way he could keep track of every card dealt in the deck the way I can. I mean he's a borderline basket case he makes a mess of everything.

 

It is no surprise to me, or any AP blackjack player at any level, professional on down, or even any serious recreational player, that these two nit wits, Mdog and Moses/Tater are proving beyong any doubt (there really has been no doubt for quite a while) that they know and understand zero about card counting advantage blackjack play in this day and age.

Moses/tater has been stuck in the 1970's talking about single deck BJ play that is gone from almost everywhere. Since about 1980, or maybe even late 70's when multi-deck, 6 and 8 deck shoe games became the predominate game almost everywhere, every count, doesn't matter if it is hi-lo or another level 1 count or a level 2 or 3 count or even some specialized count like Moses promotes, but every count is a partial count because of unseen cards that are cut off.

And because there are unseen cards rather than dealt down close to the last card of a single deck like the 1960's is exactly why these higher level counts are all but irreleveant. There just is very little gain from them over a level one count like hi-lo. And every professional player and teams, well known teams, like Tommy Hyland's, and the various MIT teams, the church team, the european teams that invaded in the 80's and every solo professional player and there have been thousands, 10's of thousands since 1980, have used a partial count, which more than adequately identifies any advantage of remaining cards to be played, even if all of them are not played before the shuffle.

This is simply mathematical facts. Once any advantage has been identified it is all about getting the money down, the larger bets and doing so in a way that enables you to continue to be welcome to play on return visits. THAT is what card counting is and has been for 30+ years.

Now of course the exception to my comment about blackjack being predominantly multideck shoe games since about 1980's is Reno, one of only a few small locations that has maitained some single deck. But they protect themselves by imposing low limits and basically backing off or 86ing anyone that employes almost any spread, making it all but impossible to make any real money, which is precisely why almost all professional and serious players avoid Reno, except maybe a very occasional short hit and run visit of a couple days.

Moses has tried to tell everyone that professional level card counting BJ advantage play is doable in Reno and that he has been doing it, and that was just BS and every REAL player understands this.

These guys are just nuts, flat out crazy and they make claims that aren't real and is not how the game works, and they lie about players that understand the game and how to win in this day and age. THAT is the ongoing chronicles of these crazy ass jealous bastards.

 

RobSinger on the UNKewl one: The added bonus #1 with this guy is how you can almost SEE & FEEL the puny little twit jumping up and down, screaming like a toddler who just got his baba taken away by a big bad bully. Bonus #2? He posts long-winded, rambling drama-laced "I NEED TO set the record straight or I'll go OUT OF MY MIND!" paragraphs that never seem to satisfy, as he then repeats the same things over and over again.

Best to just ask kew how close he is to faking his own death again.


AlanMendelson on UNKewlJ’s lying ways: Kewlj you do have a good imagination and a script that you stick to.

 

Yeah, really good comeback Mdog, you stupid shit. You might as well of just hoisted up a white flag.

Speaking of which, how is that phony fantasy, adventure thread doing at WoV? With you not there to bump it with another chapter of your phony winning claims, not a single post. There just is no one remaining that believes any of your crap or even is the slightest bit interested any longer.

 

Fuck you drama queen. I'm aware of what decade I'm in. Four 5s removed from a single deck of cards gives the players a 2.77% advantage. No matter what decade you are in. The deck is the same as it always was.

The why I played is very simple. You are just too stupid to understand anything other than Hilo and a shoe.

 

I wish KJ would play me. But he is all mouth and no guts. I wish he fight me. I slap the drama queen right out of the queen.

Actually, the count I employ based on the dealer. There are 3 different types.

I don't give fuck what all self professed pros think. In fact they can kiss my ass because none could keep up. Maybe Freighter and Tarzan. Stupid Flash couldn't get what Tarzan was doing and he was with him daily.

You play to win the fucking session, deck, and hand. In that order.

How about you Dietz? I'm happy to take your money too. Since I'm such easy picking.

I don't promote anything. I would teach anyone anything. I just have the knowledge to know KJ is one stupid fucking drama queen.

 

. I would teach anyone anything.

Mistyped. Would not

 

Kj writes. These guys are just nuts, flat out crazy and they make claims that aren't real and is not how the game works, and they lie about players that understand the game and how to win in this day and age. THAT is the ongoing chronicles of these crazy ass jealous bastards.

Tater writes: I know enough that 6 deck is not a sound investment of time or money. I know you are a liar, a coward, and rat. I just want you to act like a man and for once in your life back up your words.

You owe me that much. Stop being such a pussy.

 

I don't owe you shit idiot. And I am a professional player, playing at the casinos. I am not playing some guy in the saloon.

6 decks are what almost every player that has made any real money in the last 40 years has played. Again, you are just stuck in 1970's.

Here in Vegas, I don't even know if we have any single deck games, other than 6:5 at a few places. Maybe in some high limit area somewhere that I purposely don't play. So here the double deck games are the "counter traps". They are the games closely hawked and casinos are using as bait to catch card counters.

There is a quote from the guy who posts as bigplayer, who is a member of Tommy Hylands team for several decades now,that is great advice for any counter today. It goes like this (parphrasing): Identify the best game, best rules, lowerst house edge in the casino and don't play that game, but play the other. For most Vegas properties that "best" game is double deck and of course a couter trap. So real players play the 6 deck games and there are some that are damn juicy in this town.

Here is something about the 6 deck game Moses. You get a good heads up 6 deck game and you can play 300 rounds an hour with a decent dealer. And you get a good early plus true count in a shoe and you can get 40 rounds in at Max bet before the shuffle. How long does it take to get 300 rounds and 40 rounds at max bet (significant advantage) playing single deck? or even double deck? LOL.

 

Kj writes: I don't owe you shit idiot.

Tater says: You called me out. You lied. You made it personal.. keep talking asshole it's only going to get worse from here. I have absolutely nothing to lose.

You have acted like a complete moron for years.
NORM did it we could to get rid of you. But he is to nice of a guy. I am not.

The only you've proven in all these years is you're a professional dipshit.

 

Once again name dropping does not mean shit. 300 rounds doesn't mean shit if you don't know what you are looking. Giving the 2and the same value as 5s ludicrous. You are lazy. Wong accounted for 92% of the cards playedand gave the 5 troe the value of 2. You count 77% and you don't know what is in the cut-off.

Wasted investment of time and money. You don't have time toplay. Youare always on a forum. And you're too scared to back up your words after you call someone out. You're lucky the others are nice guys. I am not.