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Now this really pisses me off. Have a post on QFIT forum. About Stadium BJ. No replies Now see Norm using Ghanda ( what nerve) as his Avatar. But reallyfrosted as his sign on line under every post. I used that on WOV about 2011 or 12. Wonder how long Norm has been using it. Fucking thief ???
" Pay no attention to the man behind the curtain".. Used it in references to Mika aka Wizard !

 

That's right. I had forgotten about this Mickey. Mike's words announcing my nuke (for something posted on another site). "While normally we don't consider things said on other forums, I am nuking KewlJ for something said on another forum".

But really it didn't matter what reason he manufactured. The truth is I was done at WoV as soon as Qfit showed up. Qfit demanded that Mike shut me down and Mike was going to do so. I know it. Mike Knows it. Qfit knows it. Mike went as far as to admit it when he told me in private that "he couldn't say no to Qfit's request, as he felt he owe Qfit a favor for some math work that Qfit had done for him".

So as soon as Qfit showed up and demanded or requested or whatever terminology you want to use, the only question was how would Mike go about 'shutting down' a regular contributing member of 4 years, who was pretty popular. The idea of the truce which was forced upon me was genius on Mike's part. If I somehow was able and willing to adhere to the truce and not voice my opinion, he would have achieved the goal of censoring me without having to ban me and upset the members. And if I was unwilling to abide by this unfair truce, as I am sure Mike suspected I wouldn't be willing to do, he would have his reason, manufactured as it was....to ban me.

And let me tell you why that truce was so unfair. As a professional blackjack player, I have a right to voice my opinion about a player making claims that are impossible. Just like other AP's like Axel speak up when someone shows up making outlandish and ridiculous claims in other areas of AP. I have said before that this is not only our right, but our responsibility.

The really easy examples I can give are when someone shows up declaring that Martingale is a sure winner playing roulette, or dice control (influence) a proven winning method of playing craps, or the slot machines near the door pay higher, you can be sure as anything there is going to be pushback...and there should be pushback. If there isn't pushback on these topics then the site is nothing but a voodoo site. That's what I and two other professional players did with these ridiculous blackjack claims.

The pushback I did on Norm's site was a guy claiming his higher count method resulted in 5 times the win rate. That's just not possible. The advantage one can get through card counting is about 1% at best. That is with a decent bet spread and decent rules to start. 1%....That's it! Maybe playing more complex counts gets you 1.05%, or 1.1%, and any additional errors (which the higher count proponents never acknowledge) will knock that down probably to even less that the original 1%. That is why few professional players go to these so called more complex counts. The gain is minimal if any. So this fraud guy, a lifelong $5 player, comes along and insisting his count increases the win rate 5 times, from the normal 1% range to 5%. That is impossible from card counting! If you had a computer at the table with you and had 100% betting and playing correlation, you still wouldn't reach a 5% advantage.

Now back to this so called "truce", designed to limit my ability to express my opinion. Here is a site, WoV that asked me to contribute my opinion. They asked me to do the Q & A with Mission. I guess they only want my opinion when it benefits WoV. But when Mike's so-called friend doesn't like my opinion, I should be quiet.

Mickey, as much as I appreciate all your support over the years and value your online friendship, there are some inaccuracies in the above paragraph, which it is only fair to those involved that I correct. First the 'super duper' count that the fraud guy was promoting and making impossible claims about was not being marketed (to my knowledge). The guy made the statement before he even announced his count, that "he would be known as one of the blackjack greats of all times". So I am sure there was some kind of intended marketing or a book or something planned, but as far as I know, it never got to that and hopefully won't because it is all BS.

And as far as I know, Qfit was not benefitting from these fraudulent claims, other than it created traffic and traffic adds to Qfit's sales of his products. But it should be noted that this fraud guy making these claims was the post leader on that site by far, with more than 10,000 posts at that time when no one else even had 2000 posts. This is important because that is the kind of thing that could influence a site owner administrator to side with someone he knew was making impossible claims. These sit owners and administrators have a different agenda. They are interested in traffic and the post leader stimulates discussion and traffic.

The other thing is about Shack supporting Qfit's fantastical system. Again, it wasn't Qfit's system, but a member of his site (the post leader) that Qfit was and continues to protect. I don't think Shack really knew the details. Initially he just did what Qfit demanded or asked of him (because he felt he owed that to Qfit). I think this because after I was banned and was still having some discussions with Wizard, I tried to explain the fraudulent claims and Shack seemed to take an interest. He wanted to know the guys handle on Qfit's site and said he was going to look into it and read some of his posts and claims for himself. You would have thought he might have decided to look into what was really the heart of the matter BEFORE he took sides!

But whether Shackleford actually followed though, after the fact and looked in to claims is another matter. I have a feeling he did not. I have this feeling because Shackleford too is a math guy and while he has lost interest in blackjack, he knows the mathematics of blackjack in and out, and it would have been very obvious to him immediately that these claims were outlandish and impossible, just as it was to me and the other professional blackjack players and should have been to Qfit. Friend or no friend, or favor or whatever, I just don't believe Shackleford would have not spoken up if he had indeed looked into the situation. He asked me for the name (handle) of the guy, but I would be willing to bet he lost interest and didn't look into it.

 

Welcome to my world Buzz. Norman Wattenberger is a nut job!

He is though highly of in the blackjack community because his software is outstanding and a godsend to those of us that aren't the math geek types. It allows us to learn and understand things we probably otherwise wouldn't. I personally don't think I would be anywhere close to where I am, in what success I have enjoyed, if I had not run across Qfit's products. I am not saying I couldn't have had some success, but I probably would have been using old outdated ideas like bankroll should be 100 max bets and playing very non-optimal betting ramps and spread. Norm also engages in some good discussions when he wants to.

But he has another side. He has had long lasting feuds with many, many in the blackjack community, including some big names. And once you get on his bad side, he holds a grudge like no one I have ever seen. And this is a very bad quality for a site owner/administrator. And that is why many in the blackjack community did not migrate to Norm's site, when our previous site shut down. And many that did were banned or driven away, or just left on their own once they saw how things would be handled.

The quote that best describes the situation was a quote here by 'shadroch' who participated here for a short while and now participates at WoV under a different name. Shadroch came from that old site and he went to Norm's site for a very short time and then just disappeared. His quote here was "that he like Norm and considered Norm a friend, but as a site administrator, he was not impressed".

Now the curtain thing.....might actually work. I mean the guy behind the curtain was a fraud pretending to be something he wasn't. Is that the message Norm is sending?

 

Why wasn't I banned from BJTF and later from WOV?

 

I think you probably came pretty close at BJTF. You were defending me pretty adamantly (because we were right). I could see you really getting under Norm's skin. But he didn't pull the trigger. Maybe because there was still fallout from me and Bjarg's suspensions/banning and 21forme and Bjarg's announced exit. There were also other professional and knowledgeable players/members that got fed up and left during that time. Look at the names at BJ21. Many of those members participated at BJTF but left. Other's like bigplayer didn't leave entirely but definitely started participating less.

That is my opinion...that you came pretty close but Norm couldn't risk banning another top member at that time. Are you asking because you have a different theory? If so lets hear it.

 

That's the benefits of giving Sexual favors

 

KJ you should go all buzzard on WOV. Just get a VPN and start posting as normal.

 

There you go Buzz. Norm and the gang replied. They dismissed you like you didn't have a clue about anything, but they replied.

I am not familiar with Stadium blackjack. I know you have been posting and asking questions about it on several sites, so I know you have something up your sleeve or think there is something beatable about it.

I have been kind of busy destroying another BJ opportunity that my brother discovered about 8 weeks ago. I am not the kind of guy that usually figures out these opportunities, so I am not usually the one responsible for destroying them. In this case we tried to milk it, but there was only one table at a pretty small casino, so it wasn't going to last long. If it wasn't us, it would have been someone else.

Unfortunately I am heading out of town for a couple weeks tomorrow. If you still need someone to check out this game for you when I get back, email or PM me and tell me what I am looking for and I'll check it out for you.

 

I don't do that Axel. I created a second account at WoV shortly after my banning, I think it was KewlJ2 of KJ2 of something because I wanted to respond to something that was said. It was obviously shut down pretty quickly. the only other account I created was this recent LVkid account because I didn't like the responses that 2 newer players got and I wanted to offer some advice.

I have been accused of being a sock puppet a couple other times, both at WoV and Norm's site. One time it was someone who trashed me for not being a stronger AP and not expanding my AP game to other opportunities. In that case the poster identified himself as a BJ Hall of Fame member. There is a BJ HoF member that has belittled me before. I don't know whether he was or whether that was a mis-direct, but it wasn't me. I think Norm decided it was me because the IP was a library or UNLV or somewhere public. Apparently Norm believes, I am the only person that lives in Vegas.

If I wanted to do the sock puppet thing, a term I didn't even know until this site, between my 3 roommates, I have multiple computers, not to mention cell phones and could have created dozens of accounts at places like McDonalds, starbucks, ect all over town. My Mother also lives a mile away, so there's another IP address.

My goal isn't to wreak havoc, as buzz does. That's his thing and that's fine. I am just not interested in that. I am KJ or KewlJ. I have built my reputation good or bad, as that handle and I am not running from it. I take responsibility for the good and the bad, and the mistakes I have made. I didn't do anything that deserved banning at Norm's site, other than tell the truth and it has since been proven that I was correct. And I sure as hell didn't do anything that deserved banning at WoV.

 

Oh the irony, KJ talking about others holding grudges. Lmfao

 

Didn't Norm try to run you off BJ21 too?

 

InTimeForSpace1 now restricted on wov

 

Good job by Babs in nuking that trolling cocksucker.

What a fuckwit!

 

Just as I predicted 3 days ago....another Gambler's Glen alumnus banned from WOV. Not just GG. I can name at least 10 more boards where this guy is or has been a member. The uncharacteristic whining from Romes may have expedited things. Several members indicated their approval when the hammer dropped.

In a weird way I kind of enjoyed watching InTimeForSpace1 antagonize the smart, disciplined munchkins who apparently weren't disciplined enough to simply ignore him. I guess that discipline only applies to slots and tables. He posted for a while while they scrambled to find a reason to ban him. Finally they just claimed he was a former member which was most likely an educated guess on their part. No proof...and I'm not saying they need any.

After all, they had no proof about LVkid (KewlJ) either. But it's funny that he got chopped off at the knees after only two posts. Two posts, I might add that were very helpful, informative and appreciated. They just guessed based on writing styles.

 

Where are the old GG roulette crowd posting at these days?

Those fuckers were an argumentative, disputatious bunch.

 

Special literacy award to Mr. V for using the word "disputatious," which I have not seen since my spelling bee days 50 years ago.

 

Axel of course relished in his obsession with sock puppettry and posted the grimreaper avatar to support his accusations.
Probably correct tho.

 

What's really funny, is V's shitting on the likes of RS and AW, and them thanking him for it. Though, I do think that V has come down a notch or two with his preoccupation with that bull garbage.

 

LIES

 

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