Misc WizardOfVegas Forum is Dying

Well, coming from Ozzy, those are some nice compliments. Like Biden, when asked that he was the opposite of Trump. "Hopefully, the complete opposite."

 

I'll come to kewlJ's defense on this one. The site is full of systems ramblings that really have no place in any kind of serious gambling discussions. The systems debates, all involving negative expectation games, wouldn't hold up for five minutes in any freshman probability class. So a huge portion of the posting here is junk that is unvetted, which I guess is another word for uncensored, by the site itself.

It's fine if people want to knock themselves out with debates about why the sky is green or how they've overcome math en route to genius revelations, but you can't expect people who gamble seriously to be okay with it.

If a grocery store's stock was 70% various kinds of animal feces, you can't really expect people who shop for food to go inside, even though there may be some decent stuff among the feces. Some people call that "uncensored." "Uncensored" ain't always a good thing.

 

First, I am very anti-casino. I am extremely happy for anyone that wins from any casino, advantage player or recreational gambler. All I ask is that if someone is making claims of long-term win, that their claims clear the very low bar of the math working. Claims that defy math, I have a problem with.

Secondly, you yet again, continue to repost a lie "loser at blackjack by his own admission". Here are the facts. I have supported myself from blackjack play (and a bit of other advantage play techniques) for 17 years. During that time I have made nearly 1.5 million total, nearly 1.2 form blackjack play. And I have never had a losing year.

This year was my worst year. A very difficult year for many people on many fronts. I played less than half the rounds that I normally do, played higher stakes and variance was not kind to me. I spent much of the limited time I played teetering back and forth of the break even line. I was in the red as late as the first week in October, but finished slightly in the black at +$8800. Had I finished in the red, I would have gladly admitted it. Not much difference between slightly in the black and slightly in the red. Either would have been a bad year.

You pointing to a post I made in September where I stated I was in the red slightly and claiming I had a losing year is equivalent to saying a football team that trailed midway through the third quarter lost the game, despite that they scored a touchdown in the fourth quarter and actually won. You repeating that is detached from reality.

And again, attacking someone's health, or any other number of personal things, family, race, religion as a rebuttal of a challenge of gambling claims that the math doesn't work, is just the act of a very small insecure person.

 

Look, this is really quite simply, MDawg. You have made claims that defy the math. Some of us have challenged you on these claims, including Wizard now. It isn't personal, it is about the math! Wizard has proposed that he observe you play and just see if you win every session and amounts that you claim.

You have the chance to prove me, Wizard and all others challenging you wrong. What more could you want? You have the chance to prove everyone wrong and claim victory. Instead, you are floating around to half dozen forums, continuing to personally attack those challenging your math defying claims, calling names, telling ties (even after they are corrected). Instead of proving everyone wrong, you are esentially proving everyone right with your actions.

 

The Wizard and I converse privately over real world matters. In the course of this discussion I mentioned this challenge "demand" of his to him, and we discussed it further. All of that discussion is private, other than that he clarified that he was not demanding anything.

And in any case, having someone watch me play one session would prove...what? That I am in fact a high roller pulling from a large credit line? That I may win at Baccarat just because I win at one session? You guys are all nipping at the heels of the real thing - MDawg - and in fact, CoachBelly has already established conclusively from many that no matter what they see including proof of a win at one session, that they would continue to disbelieve in MDawg. What matters is RESULTS - the fact that you had an entire losing year at blackjack says something about your skills, and the fact that I have been a consistent winner for years at casinos at both blackjack and baccarat says something about mine. I can prove and have proven what happened in the past. No one may guarantee the future. You of all people should know this, after your bad year in 2020, at blackjack.

As far as you, you continue to just post speculation. If you would at least stick to facts you could at least seem credible - for example, what are these half dozen forums I spend all day at posting? Half dozen means six. And all day means constant posting at six forums.

While I was in Vegas for almost seven weeks I posted almost exclusively at the [removed]. Occasionally I will devote some post time to a different forum, and today seems to be GF's day! I am not posting at WOV much lately (posted there one day in the past five days or so) or VCT (posted there maybe three or four days in the past few months), and this is the first day I have posted at GF in months.

 

You are correct in that Wizards challenge to you is not a demand. But it is an opportunity for you to end this and prove everyone wrong. It's extremely odd that you wouldn't jump at that opportunity, if you and your claims were legit. I said "odd", a better word is "telling".

You are also correct that one session would have no meaning. I was under the impression it would be at least several sessions. And while that also is a small sample size, of which we usually say insignificant meaning, if you were to lose 3 or 4 sessions out of 5 or 6, it would contradict your claims that you win almost every session.

as far as you and I go, you just repeated a lie for the third time today, after I have corrected you twice. If you can't be more honest than that there is no reason for me to deal with you. You are exposing yourself for who you are by doing that....a liar.

This forum used to have a banner that they designated to people who repeatedly lied, even after corrected that exclaimed "compulsive liar". I would ask that you receive that consideration.

 

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Thank you for the personal advice, Dr Phil. My post was about Weak Wizard...you know...the guy who says you're dead to him. However, as you are wont to do, you made it about you, you, you. Let it go you say? Like you let it go with MDawg, Weak Wizard, Wattenburger, Alan, Rob and many others?

Why do people who can't take criticism resort to calling said criticism hate and anger? It's okay to disagree...to have a different opinion...unless you're a cult member of WoV ruled by a little man who calls himself a dictator.

Unlike you, I have moved on. I said no more participation on WoV and I've stuck by it so far. I do use it from time to time to send and receive messages. There are some good, decent, normal people on that site. We're all familiar with the saying fool me twice...shame on me. Well after being insulted and ridiculed for asking a question and posting how I play, I waited for the little man to intervene. That never happened. Oh the math...the math. So see ya WoV. One little boy's club I don't need.

Since we're giving playing results allow me to give mine.

2020 is my 30th year of trying to support myself from roulette play. My results this year are a complete mess. I've had the same results for the other 29 years. I've never had a winning year. I've had a lot of fun and wouldn't change a thing. Part of that fun has been trying every weird 'system' out there. Another part is discussing it on a forum with like minded players. Just don't try discussing it on WoV or the ridiculing will start as they scream the math...the math...the almighty math.

 

What do you mean I made it about me? You did a whole post about me (post #8623), rehashing events and things I said.

I haven't let go? I let go and moved forward with Mike. Haven't mentioned Wattenberger in several years I think. Nothing to move forward with Alan. We are good as far as I know. We communicate privately. he helped me understand the unemployment filing for self employed or "gig" workers. Rob. Really Rob? You giving some kind of defense of Rob? Besides a bullshitter making up false claims and liar, the person posting as Rob Singer is just a real sleezebag. Do yiu dispute? MDawg. I have nothing personal with MDawg. His math just doesn't work as stated. I will always call that out.

Now let's talk about you moving on Freddy. Yeah, you kept your word about your decision to not participate at WoV. But you have done anything but move on. If you feel that is what you need to do, that is fine, but don't tell us you have moved on. Wizard seems to be living in your head. Again, I will say for your own good you would be better off finding a way TO move on, but you do what you gotta do. I have no problem with you freddy.

 

Freddy wrote, "2020 is my 30th year of trying to support myself from roulette play. My results this year are a complete mess. I've had the same results for the other 29 years. I've never had a winning year. I've had a lot of fun and wouldn't change a thing. Part of that fun has been trying every weird 'system' out there. Another part is discussing it on a forum with like minded players. Just don't try discussing it on WoV or the ridiculing will start as they scream the math...the math...the almighty math."

 

Ha ha. No one's called me a liar yet , either.

I was thinking about blackjack...okay game but about as boring as watching grass grow. The more I read about it, the more I see that people say counting cards is a waste of time...the bottom of the totem pole. This includes respected experts....no, not Weak Wizard. I said respected. From well known names to guys on the forums who have played and may still play. JBJB, Jbs...is that the same guy? He says it all the time. Eliot Jacobson says it.

I mean...who wants to play cat and mouse with the casino while scared to death of getting kicked out for "counting." Never getting comps due to the fear of using a player's card. Jump in. Jump out. Run and hide. Come back. All for peanuts. No health care. No retirement. No security. No thanks. You could make more at a real job.

I'm not denying that some count cards or that some of them succeed but that number has to be miniscule. I'll wager that the ones making decent money don't post on forums. Yes, some do but why they do is beyond me. Wise up.

 

KJ claims of averaging 80 to 100k year is totally doable with little scrutiny. The days of making 200k + year counting are done though. Unless you can find golden hole carding opportunities, like our buddy JBS does. Those situations are extremely rare to find, but are out there, with a shit load of travel throughout North America.

 

Yeah, those casinos with mirrors on the ceiling so that you can count cards on multiple tables, at once, without being noticed. KJ made little obvious sense, to me, from the start, let alone after such stories out of him. Now we have Ozzy and JBJB talking big. As if all the people who left these forums are supposed to, finally, believe you.

You guys had better cut out the "shit load of travel throughout North America", for a day, to let your brains catch up with you.

 

Then there's Mickey Crimm, "Man from Crazy". Lol.

 

Non-believers crack me up. This particular location, wasn't one of the casinos built when Atlantic City approved casino gambling in the late 1970's. It was an older, existing hotel hotel built I am going to guess in the 1920's or 30's, so it had lower ceiling. Anyone who played Atlantic city before this casino closed, knows of the ceiling and any card counter probably utilized it as several I have talked to did. But it is completely fine with me, if non-believers don't want to believe. How does the saying go? You can lead a horse to water but can't make him drink.

And you just mentioned Mickey Crimm. He is a great example of that. Personally, I could do without Mickey's politics and some of the vulgar name calling and homophobic comments. But if you tune all that out and just focus on his advantage play comments, particularly the obscure machine play stuff that is his expertise, anyone with a desire, has learned a great deal. Of course those choosing to be a non-believer stand at the waters edge....I guess not believing, dehydrated and looking foolish.

 

The only thing I'll post at WoV might be my parody thread, "The Adventures of E.R. Dietz," which Wizard locked. I had asked MDawg if he minded that I do a parody thread, and he suggested I not do it. Evidently Wizard knew where that thread was going, as it was going to drily report on the adventures of my back-from-the-dead cousin, E.R. and how he did during his last Las Vegas trip.

I have a bunch of photos to go with the narration (a la MDawg), and I think everyone would find the thread funny. But Wizard locked it. I guess I could do it all at once and post it under another title. Anyway the gist of the thread was going to be E.R. winning all this money sports gambling (with proof a la MDawg, of course) and then losing it due to (1) following the Wiz's advice regarding sports gambling and (2) trying to duplicate MDawg's alleged baccarat skills. I took about a hundred photos for the narration, so I'd have to edit them down to a handful and write the copy, but it would be entertaining.

What bothered me about Shackleford locking the thread is that MDawg's record of winning, as reported by him, is certainly as much or more of an example of "trolling" than anything I wrote. Neither, in my book, qualify as trolling in any way. The fact Shackleford locked my thread, and maintains MDawg's, tells you what you need to know.

 

I asked Mike if I could do a poll asking if members believed MDawgs claims and was denied. Mike said he would view that as trolling. Ok, a part of that would be for trolling purposes I guess, but such a poll also serves a useful purpose. I did such a poll at VCT about Rob Singers math defying claims and the poll came back 22 members didn't believe them and 1 did. So that sends 2 messages. To the person making math defying claims, it says "No one is believing your crap". (doesn't mean he will stop but it does send the message). And to the people like me, concerned about people being mislead, it say lighten up because No one is believing that crap". But whatever Mikes forum, Mikes rules.

By the way, something you should understand is that I have been told by a very reliable source that MDawg is in constant communication with Wizard, complaining about almost everything, like someone who doesn't believe him because of math is calling him a liar, when the person never did. So from Mike's position, if he doesn't permit these kind of things, it will be one less time he hears from Mdawg bitching about everything.

 

Hey KJ and Red. We don’t always agree but we should on how biased the Wiz is. Freddy has pointed it out for years with examples. He may have a grudge, but it’s hard to argue he hasn’t been correct time and time again.

The recent stuff with both Red and MDawg are just more examples of it. I too heard MD is always crying to Mike, but that doesn’t justify going against what he says he believes in, just to not be bothered. But we all know how his decisions have reduced the membership there. When bored go back 6-8 years and look at the quality members that left. They can’t all be dead, many stated how they felt when they left, others just stopped posting.

There is still much more going on with MDawg and Mike than we know. I hope he gets exposed but like others over the years, he will just keep making his claims looking for attention. As we all know, he isn’t the first and won’t be the last, he needs the attention.

 

Here's the thing Boz....it is what it is. I don't agree with how Mike runs things all the time, maybe even most of the time. But it is his forum or at least he has been given the task of running it. And despite that it isn't what it was even 5 years ago, it is a place for me to post and share things related to gambling and what I want to talk about. I mean what other options are there? VCT where the top thread for several days has been Tasha phone number and who might be calling her/him, real or in her mind?

I begged, literally begged Dan Druff for 2 years to take back control of his forum and at least get back to something related to Vegas, and casinos (and gambling) talk, as the name implies. In the continuing absence of that, WoV, with its faults wins by default.