Misc WizardOfVegas Forum is Dying

Tasha's post requesting re-instatement caused me to take a look at the numbers at WoV. It was 86 members that visited yesterday.

When I first joined WoV in 2012 and for the 4 years I initially posted there were on average 300 a day. Some week days over 300, some weekends maybe 280ish, when people had other things going on.

After I was banned the first time, numbers had dropped considerably. Daily visits were 210 or so, sometimes slipping below 200 on a weekend. I am not suggesting that had anything to do with me. Just the time frame. That was the height or beginning of the height of the over-moderation and lots of suspensions and bannings.

When Mdawg joined it was still about this 200 member visits a day. Shortly after Mdawg started at WoV, there was a mass exodus, especially among very real AP type players. Some like yours truly (having been re-instated) were repeatedly suspended, and eventually banned again. Others left on their own announcing reasons. Others just left more quietly. When it was all said and done daily visits were 150ish, about half of it's peak.

Then it fell to 120ish were it remained for a while.

Yesterday when I looked it was 86 member visits. It is a holiday weekend, so maybe that is a bit unusually low, I have no idea. I haven't tracked it enough to know. And I am not saying it is all the result of Mdawg posting there, although some clearly directly was with suspensions and bannings and some members announcing the reason (Mdawg).

But what I am saying is whatever that forum is doing with it's over-moderation, Michael not giving a damn about much, not holding true to his own principals that were announced hwen he started the forum, Banning of so many good real members, and driving away others. Even that insulting "don't let the door hit you in the ass attitude" , and yes, Mdawg's free reign to post his make believe stories that defy math and the way Las Vegas works....Something is not working at WoV They have been cycling in the wrong direction for years now. The numbers bear that out. Neither Shackleford or the LCB people seem to care. Most assume WoV means nothing to the LCB anyway.

 

AFTER I was banned from WOV was I told that I had been on thin ice for a while

 

Tasha, why is it so important to you to get your posting privileges fully restored at both WoV and VCT?

There are lots of forums to choose from and on a myriad of subjects.

 

Tigerwu was supposed to have his WOV Suspension lifted on August 4th and he's still Suspended to this second.

 

Nothing new there, Karen Nathan. Just the incompetent Gordon doing what he does best...being a hypocrite. Does anyone think that would happen to one of Daddy Wizard's golden boys? They don't serve an extra second of their fake suspensions. Not Axel, not darkoz. If you're someone like ChumpChange, who they clearly have a vendetta against, look out.

Take a look at the last several pages of the Discussion About the Suspension List thread. It was blatantly and shamelessly hijacked by two mods, one former mod (Dunce Dear) and one not so secret mod (SOOOPOOP) along with the usual aforementioned "golden boys." No problem for those hypocrites but someone like a ChumpChange gets nailed practically for logging on.

It's all moot anyway. Out of 22,903 falsely claimed members...that pitiful decrepit site can't even muster a lousy hundred members to log on. Those frauds aren't fooling anyone.

 

Case in point. I just looked at WOV to see how many members are currently logged on. Anyone care to guess. The answer is 3. Let me spell that out...t h r e e. Somebody drag Weak Wizard away from his WORDLE and ask him what the odds of only 3 members out of almost 23,000 being logged on are.

 

Tigerwu has been Unsuspended on WOV and got a two day credit.

 

ChumpChange is most likely not as big of a target as you think. He's clearly OneNickleMiracle, so they can nail him for that alone. How long has he had that sock/dupe for 5-7 years?? Just a guess, I haven't visited Rusty's wasteland in over 3 years.

 

I don't get the "Chump change i

I don't get the "ChumpChange is OneNickleMiracle," quotes. You are not the first person to say this. I don't think they are the same person.

 

So kewlJ reported that, after -- what is it -- three years, Shackleford finally said MDawg's tales of spreading and all that were likely bullshit.

LOL. What a clown. Shackleford, not MDawg.

MDawg kept pushing the envelope, adding more and more decorative and unbelievable trim to the original tales of derring do. He tested Shackleford, and frankly made a complete ass out of him. After MDawg turned things up past a Spinal Tap 12, Shackleford finally came to the conclusion he was being made jest of.

Good thing the cat's Mensa, because social IQ ain't his strong point. And for the record, my IQ is higher than Shackleford's, but anybody who advertises that on a regular basis needs mental help (including me).

I salute you, MDawg. You took Shackleford to the credibility brink (his, not yours) and beyond before he finally figured out you were funnin' him.

Backbones amongst the Mensans must be in short supply. MDawg twisted Shackleford around like Gumby before Mike figured out that he was being played...and played hard. What a fuckin' maroon.

Can you imagine actually relying on "The Wizard" for real world big-time gambling instruction?

 

Redeitz, your post above was particularly harsh on Shackleford. Not necessarily unfairly so, but I will take a slightly different tact.

It has been 4 years of this Mdawg BS not 3. And this is NOT the first time Shackleford has attempted to call out Mdawgs BS. The first time, Mike actually broke a NDA to say what Mdawg was claiming couldn't be. Mdawg immediately reminded (more likely threatened) Mike that he had signed an NDA to not say anything like that and Mike removed his post and suspended himself as a symbolic gesture that I guess was agree upon. That Mdawg had mike sign an NDA speaks volumes. He just couldn't have Wizard say what he really thought. Why Mike agreed to that is the baffling part.

The second time was a little more subtle. Remember when Mdawg posted for 7 straight months that he claims he resided in a suite on the strip and won every day or almost every day? I believe in was 2019. The accumulated win from those 7 months of reports was over 500k. And then one day at the very end of a post we got the line "additionally Wizard and I went over my records and I am about even". That was inspired by Wizard, not Mdawg deciding to come clean. So that was #2. Yesterday was #3 and definitely the strongest of the 3.

Mike has changed over the years and much of that change occurred when he sold the forum. He just isn't as passionate about this kind of stuff. It took me reminding and quoting his mission statement from when he started the forum about trying to help players be better gamblers. Such an outrageous claim that Mdawg made about the $100-$5000 spread and 10 hours of straight play, unquestionably conflicted with that statement. Any player who tried to do what Mdawg claimed would find themselves banned and in OSN in about 10 minutes. So, allowing that most definitely conflicted with the original mission statement.

Mike claims he was not even familiar with this particular claim, and I take him at his word. He says he doesn't read most of what Mdawg writes and I take him at his word of that too. So, when Mike asked me to show him directly (link to) what Mdawg wrote that was so troubling to me, I felt like there was a reasonable change he would finally say something stronger than he has in the past. I commend him for doing so and am satisfied with what he said.


Now it doesn't really matter, as Mdawg will deflect and troll around it as he always does. He already has. His response to Mike's concerns was to continue to troll and attack me on a completely different forum and at WoV where Mike addressed his concerns, Mdawg deflected to some sort of challenge about if he could count like rainman, which had nothing to do with wizard's concerns. It was like saying "yeah but I can balance a quarter on my nose". Had absolutely nothing to do with what Wizards stated were his concerns.

Mdawg is a master troll now. He knows when to deflect and when to wait things out (which he is doing at WoV currently). I have always known and said multiple times early on that I thought Mdawgs initial intent was to make a mockery of Wizard and WoV. That opinion hasn't changed.

 

Kewlj, you're a confirmed compulsive sick liar for years on end. You faked your own death, then joined as a sock puppet to break the news to the forums.

No one cares about you or what you have to say anymore. No one even believes your BJ stories anymore especially after the recent fake back-room debacle.

You now keep trying to convince others your not that much of a fucked up person by going after anyone else you can.

Get the FUCK lost.

 

He's just pissed off because he's a self loathing Pacific Islander looking fellow.

 

Here is another shrewd tactic that Mdawg uses. Whenever he gets to the point that someone is finding him not credible and willing to say so, he likes to post up pictures of cash, casino chips and casino checks. He thinks that gives him credibility. But it doesn't. No one ever questioned that he is a higher stakes gambler. That isALL those chips, cash and checks prove.....something that was never in question.

So yesterday, after Mikes comments, Mdawg deflected back to that. I don't know how much you read WoV, Redietz, but there is a fairly ongoing discussion between Mdawg and Axelwolf and a few others about casino checks and how they will only issue a check for the winning part of your cashout, not the entire cashout. So if a player buys in for $10,000, wins $3000 and cashes out, he can get a casino check for only the $3000 that he won. The rest has to be cash. This was actually news to me as I have never tried to get a check. I am a cash player and an advantage player, and the last thing I ever want to do is provide information to the casino so I can get a check.

So in the wake of Mikes comments, Mdawg renewed that discussion as part of his deflect and part of that included showing a casino check for $47k. (winnings)

Now let me tell you what THAT is about. No one ever claimed Mdawg doesn't have some winning days. Of course he does. And as a higher stakes player they can be substantial. So let's say Mdawg opens a credit line for $150k. Plays and wins $47k for a total of $197k. He will request a check to post proving he won 47k. (as he did yesterday). Now on another day he starts with that 150k credit line and loses 40k. He will post a picture containing a $100,000 chip (which he also did yesterday). He doesn't tell you that chip is basically what is left of the $150k credit line. He also doesn't say that chip is winnings, but it is implied.

The only people he is fooling with these kinds of stunts are your traditional negative expectation recreational gambler (ploppies). The real advantage players and players that know how casinos work aren't fooled by these shenanigans. Axelwolf who is the main person arguing with him, hasn't caught on completely to what Mdawg is doing, but he is getting there. In Axelwolf's defence, he too is an advantage player and cash player. So it isn't a slight that he might not be completely familiar with how that works.

 

This is the type of fucking sick moron we're dealing with here. What is it you are doing here with this Kewlj breaking news? Are you trolling him on a different forum you fucking idiot? You pushed Mike Shank. one of Las Vegas biggest frauds to opine, which he did, and made personal comments. He didn't confirm anything for fact. Just an opinion. Sort of like your opinion. Not worth the toilet paper you wipe your ass with.

 

Blackhole NONE of that has anything to do with this discussion. So you get lost.

Now here is an interesting fact. Blackhole doesn't like winning players. He has spent years going after advantage players that win and even occasional a player that claims to have won, just by getting lucky. So it is winning players he has a problem with.

I have always figured that was due to some sort of tie to the casino industry. That either he worked for or a family member of friend or something. Lately he has been telling us how he is a wealthy man from franchising businesses. No one has asked for proof, nor has he offered as he always demands from everyone else. But I have no reason to not beleive him.

So I am thinking his dislike of winning players may just be that old lottery winner syndrom, where wealthy people don't like people who became wealthy from lottery winning. So I am thinking maybe Blackhole, who feels he worked hard for his money in a traditional sort of way, doesn't like players that win from casinos, even though we also work hard to do so.

BUT here is the funny part: Blackhole doesn't seem to have a problem with Mdawg and his claims. They have boned. That tells me blackhole doesn't really beleive Mdawg is a winning player, so there is no need to critisize him as he does with all real winning players. So they can be troll brothers, since blackhole doesn't beleive him anyway.

 

Of course, none of your compulsive lying has anything to do with your trolling on this forum about something that happened on a different one.

Your whole essay about me which I might add you have not a single clue about, is just another lying story that came to your compulsive lying mind.

What I believe or do not is my business. You are out of line (as usual) making comments based on what you think I believe.

You are a confirmed compulsive liar for years. Your opinion as well as your lying story telling’s have reached the level of ridiculous.

No one cares about you or your lying opinions.

Wake up and smell the coffee.

Your forum life has become irrelevant. (except in your crossed wired mind)

 

BH, you have to admit, as much as it is disgusting seeing this worm try to wiggle his way into making anyone believe his lies, it is amusing too. Whatever is out there, he tries to make fit into his twisted compulsively lying world.

Backrooming videos aren't just handed over quickly without a lawsuit's being filed?

Big settlements aren't paid out without backing them up with a lawsuit?

No Problem! I'll make up a lie that I filed one too.

Lawsuits are publicly searchable?

No problem! I'll lie and say that mine was sealed.

Even sealed lawsuits have a docket entry?

No problem! I'll lie and say that I found some others where there was no record just like mine.

MDawg says he wins?

No problem! I'll lie and say that I know who he is and that I got some players records that show that he didn't.

MDawg posts a winning check?

No problem! I'll lie and say that he must be losing. (He'd probably have a fit if he knew that I've shown Wizard hundreds of thousands of dollars in winning checks, and that was only up until mid 2021 when he said he longer wanted or needed to see them. (And just last night I posted two other checks I received recently for wins, one just under $200K, the other just under $250K, but I took them down because I figured they'd be too easy to trace to me.))

Fact is, there's the REAL world, and then there's the twisted lying "internet only" world that UNKewlJ created in his head. Whatever doesn't fit with his lying thieving manic world, has to be explained away - with new lies that he creates daily.

Dan Druff on UNkewLyingJ: You're definitely someone who isn't adverse to lying on forums if it suits you to do so.

 

Here's what Shack wrote....

"I have been asked to comment on this post...this story I find hard to believe"

That communicates very little conviction.

His comments on the 50-1 bet spread were that it would be allowed, and it does happen.

The overall sentiment is revealed by the use of these phases...

"hard to believe...might be allowed...I would expect...doesn't seem...would seem to say...Maybe I could see...I don't see."

Pretty wishy-washy...so what's all the fuss about?

 

I never even read closely any of what UNKewlJ wrote the past couple days (or ever) but the gist of it was trying to ascribe more to whatever Wizard wrote than what was there.

And you'll notice that basically I just responded and said that Well, this is the way that it happened which is the way that any normal honest person would respond. What can you do other than say the simple truth of I'm just telling it like it was.

That UNKewlJ starts throwing a fit with his 10x multiplier responses is because he's LYING and has to come up with thousands of words to try to explain himself and all the contradictions. Also realizes that no one is listening, so he repeats himself ad nauseum.