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Well that should explain the purchase price of over 2 million dollars for the forum.

You are a compulsive liar. No one believes a word you say. Writing essays won't ever change that fact. In fact everything you say is based on your well known lying opinion. You contradict yourself constantly. You always say no one really knows for sure yet, you seem to know things for sure.

Take your lies to VCT. Oh yea, never mind. You've been excommunicated for being a confirmed compulsive liar.

 

Personally, I think you are too hard on Shackleford regarding his sports betting. Sports betting is less about math, than most casino opportunities. It is hard to point to the math that makes a sports wager +EV. And Shackleford's expertise is definitely in the math area.

 

Bbbb wwwwwaaahhhh, the r-e-dietz remind me of the George Costanza from the Steinfeld show; the boy all proud of his-self cuz he won the contest. Zeus knows we are all duly impressed that he won some tipsy-gypsy contest back in 1978, but why don't he just pony up and divulge the bean? The cat's been touting strong for over 4 decade so he should just tell us his lifes-time w-l record across all sport for the past 4+ decade, simple and plain and not just pick cherry contests result, hey hey!

 

I personally, NEVER understood the purchase from the Casino people's point. But that is not Shackleford's doing or fault. If I have a car worth 30k and someone offers me $150k for it, I will surely take that offer. That is exactly what occurred.

 

I've gotta add this in support of blackhole's attitude if not his information.

I don't really buy the narrative of a range of AP plays being something people can do these days in Las Vegas. Maybe in mickey's Montana/South Dakota/Kansas tour, but not Las Vegas. If APs are trying to sell that story these days, I think it's pretty much fishing line fairy tales to get investors. This notion that there's a population of self-supporting non-grifting APs in Las Vegas is, in my opinion, exaggerated bullshit. Even if you're grinding card counting, that'll be dead in a year or two. There will be AI applications that profile everyone precisely. Unless you want to juggle a couple dozen identities, this stuff is more or less the walking dead. Las Vegas is intimate. If I had to guess, as someone who lived there for a hundred days a year for 30 years, maybe there's 50 or 60 people currently surviving via advantage play. And I mean barely surviving. This idea that there's a couple hundred "APs" winging their way through LV seems outdated and silly.

I know several long time APs who have abandoned LV. Not currently workable, and probably completely unworkable in the near future. Software is precisely evaluating video poker players. Blackjack and "advantage slots" aren't far behind. It's just a matter of time, probably months, until cards are required for virtually all action. That makes facial recognition gilding the lilly and unnecessary. The whole multi-carding, counting cards, marginal advantage if you add cashback video poker kind of stuff will be gone in three years or less.

The whole "AP" fairy tale Las Vegas narrative is going to go down the toilet pretty quickly. Maybe everyone can move to Montana. I hear there's a great exchange rate on rupees.

 

Shrewd cat are gonna stop tryin to grind 21 cards counting and make their cake at baccarats where the profits come easier and most casino suit still think that baccarats can't be beat so they don't sweat the proposition so the backs-off are exceedingly rare, hey hey.

 

Red, come on man...they have been saying blackjack card counting....the original advantage play, would be dead in a year or two since 1960's when Thorpes book came out. That year or two or five is now 60 some years later.

The software to evaluate players has been around for blackjack players for quite a while, longer than video poker I believe. You have to adapt what you do to meet those challenges. But it is true that technology is working against us. As one of the dwindling numbers of pure card counters left, I don't know how much time I have left doing what I do. They could have ended any possibility (or 99.99%) of possibility of card counting 20 years ago when the first CSM came out. And they could have all but ended it even before that by simply making all shoe games 50% penetration with narrower table minimum to maximum ratios.

Casinos don't want to end card counting. It is good for business that players know certain games can be beaten. So it is a cat and mouse game. They tighten the screws and players find a way around it. But in the end it is really a select few that have the knowledge and bankroll and patience to win. This is why I always think I have another 5-10 years.

Now I am only speaking about card counting. Advantage play opportunities have exploded over the last 10-12 years with all the new games. Maybe some of these newer AP plays or opportunities will be too much for casinos and they will crack down. I don't know. That is out of my lane.

But one of the big things over the past couple years is multi-carding. I did this on a very small scale, 3-5 cards from myself, partner, roommates, brother for a number of years, but now people like Dark Oz, SeedValue, and others are claiming they do hundred and thousands of cards. If the casino wanted to stop this in it's tracks they could just do away with players cards in machines and stop the free play offers associated with them. Pretty damn easy, if you ask me. Or they could limit players cards and card reading machines to the top players in the higher limit areas where they could keep a closer eye on things.

In many cases it seems to me, casinos could do something to shut down a particular advantage play opportunity, but often just tweak things, instead. And then the AP will find a work-around to that tweak. I think it all comes back to it is best for the casino industry if people know and believe they can beat different games.

Once you understand that this is how the game works, it is all about identifying exactly what you can do and get away with and at what limits. What falls into the comfort level or better tolerated level, which is exactly what I have done with blackjack play since I moved to Vegas. My specialty is the very narrow blackjack play, but I think it is basically the same for all advantage play. Figure out just what is tolerated and what isn't and at what levels.

There may come a time when the casino industry stops playing these cat and mouse games and just makes everything unbeatable. But that hasn't happened and it could have a long time ago.

 

UNKewLyingJ declares (for the umpteenth time) that he will no longer address MDawg, RobSinger, Blackhole, etc. and then...in pretty much his very next post, does exactly that. Try to address us again. He has to keep repeating the same nonsense "So and so is this, so and so does that [because I say so]" because he knows no one is listening.

This has no self control. No way he could survive in any kind of environment that requires discipline, such as playing blackjack in a casino.

It makes perfect sense that he's a two bit hustler in Vegas, as SeedValue's investigation and MaxPen's observations have established.

 

Rob, admitted many times, in the 90's he lost $250,000 to video poker.

 

didnt even get to pale blue
Lol
Predictable as usual lol.

 

Hello Metoo. Hope you have been unaffected by the extreme weather in your LA area today. Hit by both a hurricane and earthquake at the same time. Amazing and not in a good way.

So you did note that I referenced a player reporting loses as he was going through them and not years later, right?

Admittedly, in the 1990, I was first in grade or elementary school, later jr high school and by the end of the 1990's high school, so I didn't follow Rob Singer on any internet gambling forum. If you did, are you confirming that for 4 years he reported losses, as he was going through them totaling $250k?

Correct me if I am wrong, but I believe Rob started in early 2000's with his AP's can't and don't win crap, but that he did win using a progressive wagering system, which can't overcome -EV, and special less optimal plays. So basically, as part of that, he said, something like he knew because he tried to be an AP for 4 years and lost $250k. That is very different than a player who shares his experiences sharing both winning and losing sessions, days, weeks, months, as he is going through them.

My final question to you is does it seem likely that a guy in his 40's as Rob would have been in the 1990's, raising a family, would quit his job or take hiatus for 4 years trying to be an advantage player, while he lost a quarter of a million dollars over those 4 years? Rob is not some multi-millionaire, (except in his stories), that could afford to stop working for 4 entire years while he blew $250k gambling. If that seems reasonable to you...so be it. But it didn't happen. What happened is in an attempt to say that advantage play didn't work, Rob said something like, "well I tried for 4 years and lost $250k, so I know it doesn't work".

 

I guess the closest I have seen to a player sharing losses in real time is Zenking. But he is doing the opposite of what the degen gamblers do in that he only shares his losses when he gets all bent out of shape. The degen gamblers only share their wins and Zenking only shares his losses. Zenking doesn't mention the many weeks and months that he is winning and you don't hear from him.

Both gambling and advantage play is both winning AND losing. The difference is AP's do something that flips that very slim advantage to them instead of to the casinos. But AP's will still have many losing days and periods, just like players playing -EV will have many winning days and periods. So the people who are only telling you one side, which ever side, are only telling you half the story.

This is exactly why I set out to share some of my journey. So players would see the ups and downs, winning and losing involved. And I haven't encountered anybody that really did that as I have. I reported months of losing multiple times. (and for the record, that doesn't mean I lost every days for months on end). It is a multiple months period with a net negative result. THAT my friends is blackjack card counting. NOT 100 winning sessions out of 104 or that kind of crap.

 

Readers note
That quote is a
COMPLETE LIE
Kewlj has never posted his loses
He uses suspect maphjizzzzzz to claim he’s made over $1:5 million playing mostly weekends for a very suspicious 20 years, then 10 years or was it last 15 years at slumvegas.
It’s just jizzzz
His income has not been made due to black Jack card counting, his maphjizzzz is just that , jizzz.
Any deep sock puppet interaction doesn’t make him credible.
His posts are plagiarism at the minimum.
His posts are not to believed.
His bj posts are just an example of fake news that the casinoverse wants to be spread around for the novices .
$1:5 million humbug
10 hours a weekend, baloney.
Under the radar, pleazzzz spare us your crap and just do as you threaten.
Leave.

 

Not one person believes your compulsive lying journey. YOU ARE SICK

 

The problem with the "in perpetuity" argument is that now isn't then. There is AI software that currently exists and is being tested and used as we speak, that categorizes all video poker players and profiles them based on their decisions. Obviously that software is very shortly going to be applied to tens of thousands of video poker players. The only thing protecting the card counters is the few-ness of them. And that won't protect them for long. It's nothing to require a card for play and then apply similar (in fact, easier) programming to profile all blackjack players.

The only thing delaying it is that so few counters exist.

It's an interesting contradiction. If a lot of counters existed, the software would be prioritized over the video poker software. So you can't argue that a lot of folks are counting without acknowledging that contradicts why the casinos have prioritized video poker over blackjack in terms of applying the profiling.

 

As far as UnkewlLyingJ, there's no one here who listens to him any more than on any other forum, but that doesn’t stop him from claiming (again and again) that he has left for good, or will stop addressing the people who call him on his lies, but then – if he stopped responding to his revilers, there would be no one left for him to talk to, would there?

One big difference between UNKewlJ and me is that he will die tortured over that no one believes him, I gave up wasting much time on doing much more than posting my session reports, in brief. I will argue over that people like AxelWolf don't even understand how casinos work, but again, that's mostly to rub it in his face over how antiquated and low end his "Wolf" casino knowledge is.

 

I've enjoyed reading KJ's posts over the years and in my eyes he is more credible than his two main detractors.
But yeah, this "broken arm" business is a bit of a set back.

 

Simply because he is so tortured by his lack of credibility, and then doesn't seem to understand that he is his own worst enemy, UnKewlLyingJ is in a category of his own.

DanDruff on UNKewLyingJ: you've killed your own credibility.

MaxPen on UNKewLyingJ: Your credibility is completely shot and unrecoverable....RIP

AxelWolf on UNKewLyingJ: But now we haven't any clue as to what was/is true when it comes to you

Mission146 on the UNKEWL one: Now, you've lied about everything. Why should I believe anything a person says who has supposedly lied about literally everything except for that because...reasons? MDawg is definitely a high-rolling player.

MickeyCrimm on the UNKewl one: YOU HAVE NO CREDIBILITY. REPEAT. YOU HAVE NO FUCKING CREDIBILITY. YOU'RE THE LAUGHING STOCK OF THE GAMBLING FORUMS.

 

I find he still has credibility, at least when it comes to his blackjack play posts.

But then hey, it ain't my game, what the fuck do I know?

Those posts do seems to pass the sniff test, and no, I don't mean cocaine.

 

What another crock of shit. No one cares more about what people think that you, Mdawg. You immediately try to discredit anyone who dares say they don't believe your silly fantasy adventure. You have even started a seperate thread at that forum you promote entitled with each person's name, for some 20 people you try to discredit. You are currently attempting to discredit both Axelwolf and TomG, both well known AP's in Vegas. The only person that called you out that you haven't yet tried to discredit for doing so is Wizard, and if he continues to call you out somewhat regularly no doubt you will.

Now contrast that with me. Maxpen called me out. Dan Druff said he didn't believe the whole backroom story. Have I tried to discredit either? Boz called me a proven liar yesterday. Did I go after Boz? Of course not. You know what else I didn't do. I didn't APM them behind the scenes trying to change their mind like you do. No one cares what people think more than you.