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Bingo!!

 

Gotta give credit where it's due.

I read in today's paper about a 3-minute university thesis oration competition. What will they think of next?

 

Hmmm, for one, I have no proof of an opinion. Two, vehemently defending against a comment makes it appear I touched a nerve that makes it worth yet another character attack. This abusive conduct has become your hallmark and gives the appearance of one dimensional thinking of a closed mind. What went on on that other board is a daily occurrence there and all over the forums of the internet.

Sounding off and libeling people for over a year hasn't relived the perceived injustice, I don't know what will.

How's the blood pressure. You need to worry about your health. Mentally and physically.

 

Nate
THE "perceived" injustice. is being addressed daily there. First by people leaving...where member visits are down approx 25 percent and now by people pushing back verbally.
If what this post is about were untrue....none of the above would be happening.
As far as this happening at other sites. Maybe so, but unlike you, I concentrate on what I know.
You may have an "opinion" that I have aliases , you have have heard about manic depressive disorder or bi-polar and feel you are now a diagnostician. Thats fine.

Bi-polar folks have a depressive stage......did you ever point out my depressive stage on this site? Or am I a special person with just the manic stage? YOur diagnostic powers must be backed up by some expertise. So please enlighten us.

You have no proof of your opinions? Well I do
My proof is given in quotes and links and specific real events.

So call all,the names you want. You are just doing what you claim I am doing, Thats fine...I can take it. I wont whine for you to be punished,

You are an anonymous person that is commenting on another anonymous person so I dont find your "opinion" compelling.

But you are entitled to your opinion , and to voice your opinion here....thats the great thing about this site.

You can give your opinion that I have aliases....and be asked for proof and you can claim you have none. This is a bastion of free speech.

And I can point out how the manboy is a self absorbed, socially backward, psychologically needy person with poor business skills....with quotes and links to his actions supporting it.

Its amazing how a name calling buffoon with just opinions and no proof can post on the same board with people who name call with proof....and its all within the rules. I applaud that

 

KJ, Wattenberger is obviously a German name. But it is extremely rare. The name is a spelling corruption of the name Wattenburger. The Wattenburgers may have arrived in America during the Palatine Movement of the 1700's where the English Crown brought over about 100,000 poor Germans to settle the interior of the colonies. Or they may have arrived mid 19th century when about 1.5 million Germans migrated to America. But the name is so rare that I suspect they came through Ellis Island in early 20th century.

But in Norm Wattenberger's case he descends from the Wattenbuggers of Erkinsaw (Arkansas). They are known for incest and sodomy. So norm changed the spelling of his last name for obvious reasons. His parents were siblings.

 

The manboy is playing the sympathy card. Saying he is in a bad mood after getting a drunken threat against him a week ago. And because of the bad mood.....he will stay on the sidelines for a while.

anyone buy that?

Oh yeah....anyone who wants to leave......according to him...go right ahead and come back when you want.

do you think he would say " I enjoy the company of the valuable customers here and their contributions, and if anyone is thinking of leaving I would ask you to reconsider"

 

KJ, your comment about AP's putting up information on gambling forums can be detrimental hits pretty close to home. At one time through a PM, Shackleford offered to give me the math behind the games on the U1 machines which are in both Nevada and Montana. But the problem was I knew there were no exploitable games on the U1's so the information would be useless to me.

Then Crystalmath PM'd me and told me he would be glad to give me the math on the games on the Casino King machines. I told him there was only one exploitable game on the Casinos Kings. And it was a keno game so I already knew the math. I explained the game to him. It's called Jackpot Rockets. Guess what. He PM'd me back telling me he was the developer of Jackpot Rockets. He was surprised I was exploiting his game.

Recently, I put up a screenshot of Jackpot Rockets here in the Keno Forum and explained how I exploited the game. What I put up was just the tip of the iceberg for exploiting the game. There is a lot more to it than what I have put up so far. You can play anywhere from 2 numbers to 10 numbers. There are about 30 meters total on the game. Almost every one of those meters can be exploited if you find a big enough progressive number.

So when I put the screenshot up and explained the game in the Keno forum here, mysteriously, the meters on every machine in the state, my guess it there are about 1000 of them, got put back to reset. I've been through similar things before. In Nevada it is illegal to wipe out the progressive money. Montana's gaming laws are patterned after Nevada's but it is much more lax here. They can get away with wiping out progressive money here. I think the reason for the reset is Crystalmath clued Fleetwood Gaming, the manufacturer of those machines into what I was doing.

It will be months before I start getting Jackpot Rocket plays again. That is, if they don't reset the meters again.

 

Glad you're here. Isn't it great that we can disagree and no one is told not to let the door hit them on the way out?

Sad? Yes, I'm sad too....sad about terrorism, unemployment, hunger etc. But a message board? Nah. To each his own.

 

Were those paragraphs small enough for you, Rs? Should we also use smaller words?

Belittle your Mikey? He did that all by himself.

Now go back and file your report. Send a PM. That's what the "important" people do.

Oh...and be sure to call for someone to be suspended. It's the WOV way.

Good boy. Sorry, I'm out of treats. Roll over and I'll owe you one.

 

So, Norm, you think you are the only one named Wattenberger? I have news for you pal. There are 20 Wattenberger families in Kentucky. There are 5 Wattenberger families in Tennessee. There are 4 Wattenberger families in Oregon. There are 17 Wattenberger families in Virginia. And there are 111 families in California with the last name of Wattenberger.

Do you know how I know all this shit, Norm? You jackass. I'm not going to tell you.

 

I used to make a lot of homophobic remarks. I had a chip on my shoulder about gays because gay men were hitting on me like wildfire while I had a big hard on for chicks. I was thinking to myself "Why don't chicks hit on me like that?" But my whole thinking about gays changed because of something that occurred in my family.

Rumors started swirling around my family that my first cousin, John Pat, was gay. When John Pat found out about the rumors he just walked right out of the closet on all of us. He told us all that yes, in fact, he was gay. He did it like there was nothing to it.

John Pat changed my thinking on gays. I know where he was born and raised. He grew up in rural Jasper County, Mississippi where all the men are macho as hell. So I knew his gayness was not caused by environment. To me it has to be genetic. And that means it is a benign trait.

Family is family. I love my cousin, John Pat, the same way I loved him before I knew he was gay. If you fuck with my cousin over his gayness then you have this macho asshole to contend with.

 

So Wizard finally stopped hiding and had something to say today, although his vagueness just muddied the waters even more. He said something about still being in a bad mood over the death threats. Presumably he is talking about Mickey's little comment made late at night when Mick had a little extra energy and testosterone going. Mickey has since stated that he was just full of talk. No threat of any kind. But it gives Mike something to blow out of proportion.

Now Mike posting this vague comment in the threat discussing the KJ situation, left some to wonder if Mike was even talking about the Mickey threat or if there was additional threats by me. It was one of the first questions asked after Mike posted. I hope that vagueness wasn't done on purpose to plant the possibility that I too had threatened Mike. That is dirty pool. I want to give Mike the benefit of the doubt, although he certainly hasn't rushed back to clarify, for those making assumptions.

And then there is my buddy Norm. Norm is allowed to show up and post and continue to distort the record and attack me to members of the community, while of course I am unable to respond and defend myself. That is the ultimate in unfairness. Administrators allowing one party have the floor to make their case, and not the other, says all you really need to know about how fair they are and have been. As this feud, suspensions and banning situation was playing out at WV, I never called for any sort of restrictions on Norm. I never asked Mike or any other mod, to limit Norm's right to speak, or restrict what he could talk about. Never asked anyone to suspend or ban Norm. But Qfit requested all this be done to me. And Wizard complied. I never asked Mike to choose between me and Norm, which is what Norm did. I was fine with Norm having his say, just as I was entitled to.

But now I am formally asking. Norm should not be allowed to show up and continue to distort the record and attack me while I am not allowed to respond. Mike will say, I don't have the right to request that because I am not a member of the site. But I am a member of the AP community and things said and reputations destroyed have ramifications beyond WoV, so Mike Shackleford, I again ask for some fairness and objectivity from you, although I expect yet again, I will be denied.

 

Wattenberger yet again was allowed to post at WoV only to try to blacken my name. He yet again made reference to me having problems at all kinds of difference sites. I have corrected him a dozen times now, but he continues to tell that lie in the hopes of smearing and blackening my name/reputation. For the record: I am banned at 2 sites...The one owned by Norm himself and now the one owned or run by his friend Shackleford, whom Norm requested/influenced to ban me. There are no other sites that I am not welcome on. I suppose he is hinting at BJ21.

When the feud between Norm and I spilled over there (BJ21) a couple times, most of the membership there let it be know they really didn't care to hear about it, so in pretty short order I, and Norm as well (fair credit) stopped airing the feud there. But neither of us to my knowledge were ever suspended, banned or even asked by management to cease. As a matter of fact, I received private correspondence from Al Rodgers, reminding me that I was welcome there and welcome to post whatever I liked. No restrictions. So Norm hinting any issues there is a bold faced lie.

The other thing he likes to do to dirty my name and reputation, that is out of bounds, is to mention my participation on Zenzone, which he often refers to as a hate site. Yes, Zenzone is a site full of all kind of conspiracy theories and hate rhetoric. And because the are a number of people there who were banned or not welcome at Norm's site, he receives his fair share of criticism and even hate there. And I have engaged in some of that, particularly running with a comment made by another member who stated that Norm's girlfriend left him because of hygiene issues. I have no idea if that is true or what Norm's hygiene situation is and I really don't care to think about it, much less discuss it, but me nicknaming him "stinky wattenbooger" seemed to send him into a tithy, so I kept at it.

Was that nice? No not really, but Qfit and I are beyond niceties. But there is a difference in a little stick your tongue out name-calling and what Norm does in regards to me with that site. He likes to imply that because I have posted in the AP/blackjack section of that site, which has pretty much become the Qfit critique section, that I subscribe to all the other conspiracy, racial, anti-Semite, and even anti-gay, hateful rhetoric posted there. He knows damn right well that I have never participated in any of those topics. As a matter of fact, being gay, I am one of one of the groups targeted. But he continues to imply...that because I have posted there, I am a racist and anti-semetic and hate America and all that stuff. That is far out of the bounds of decency Norm Wattenberger, you "stinky goofball".

 

Although I can understand your angst. but over the years, as your neighbors were banned and talked about without the ability to respond on that site.....you were very quiet.
Even before I came here, I was talked about. Everyone was talked about. Its the way the community you lived in for 4 years does business.

The manboy once explained on that site that he suspends people who insult others partly because he wants newbies not to be scared away. He wants to put out a good looking product.
But newbies have no clue who is a member and who isnt. So when the rules allowed insults to non members...I cried foul...and asked if that part about appearance to newbies was just talk.
Now maybe the rules have been amended to no insults which is more in line with the original manboy declaration.

But I dont remember you standing next to me, complaining that it wasnt fair to allow insults to banned members.

In fact I dont remember you standing next to anyone who complained about mis-treatment of our neighbors.

So now you demand some sort of equality

Now that your ox is gored its an important issue?

Its kind of like a celebrity whos sibling has a child with Tourettes syndrome.....and all of a sudden he is a big advocate for people to donate to the cause, and take note of it. The world needs to see the heartache of this condition....blah blah blah,

Now you chime in that the world needs to take note that its unfair for wov to allow talk about you. but you gladly basked in the glow of days and days of compliments. You cant have it all one way.

I agree with you, that its unfair that you were banned. But now that you are.....you are being treated like everyone else.

You never heard me, or LP9 or Freddie, proclaim that they should let us post there because they were talking about us. Heck I already said I would not post there to support the new owners who dont give a shit.
You are no more important than anyone else that got mis-treated.....get in line.

There is this site and other sites for you to get your message out "to the community". Wov doesnt have a monopoly on online sites.

 

LarryS, you have brought this up a number of times, implying that I and others are at fault for not speaking up when you and others were suspended and banned.

I am going to share my history at WoV. When I joined WoV, I was only interested in and participated in the blackjack and AP topics. Other sites that I participated on at the time were "purer" blackjack and/or AP sites. That was my only interest at the time. So the first couple year almost all my participation was limited to a few threats comprising of those topics. I guess the exception would have been some participation in the 2012 presidential election thread, as I am a political junkie. That was the first thread outside of BJ/AP that I participated on and probably the only time I participated in a thread other than BJ/AP in my first couple years.

As time went on, I found I enjoyed participating in some of the non-BJ, non-AP threads and sort of let my hair down and participated more frequently and really enjoyed doing so. But still the topic that I participated on were pretty narrow, sports, politics, anything Vegas. And the topics of no interest to me, I didn't read, including the long running threat "discussion of the suspension list".

So I never read about your suspension/banning, nor that of anyone else. Nor did I read the suspension discussion threat at that time. The first time I read the suspension discussion thread was when I was suspended earlier this year as part of the Wattenberger feud fiasco. So I am not familiar with your situation or Freddy's or anyone else, nor am I even sure of your handles over there. If you want to hold it against me that I am not familiar with your situation and didn't speak up, go ahead. Since Mike has shown me that he is not a fair, objective person, but rather a impulsive, moody, quick-tempered type of guy, I suspect you may have some fair criticsims, but I honestly don't know. I am not familiar and I am not going to go back and research now.

I have read the famous "they came for..." quote here a number of times. Maybe I am at fault for not concerning myself beyond my own involvement. Again, if you want to fault me for that, so be it.

 

I was banned from there very early on after only a few posts. No time even to become paranoid. Saw the light right away.

Intellectual incompetents.

 

Exactly my point. You branched out, were involved in threads that had lively debates where there had to be some suspensions....and you made a choice to not get involved. Yes you helped me crystallize my point.

 

Qfit again today posted the lie at he never contacted Mike Shackleford, complaining about me and asking for Mike to do something. This is one of so many flat out lies, that he continues to spout.

Mike Shackleford: I implore you...for once to be honorable and tell the truth!

And I refer you to the first line of a PM you sent me at WoV on February 25, 2016. Mike Shackleford: " Norm has complained about the post in which you write the following......"

Mike, I appreciate that you grow more angry each time I post something from a private discussion. But you can not say something via private communication and then state the opposite publicly. That makes you the dishonest one.

Now someone is lying here. Norm repeatedly says he never contacted you privately complaining about me. Privately you said that he did. Someone is lying. Mike???

 

Forum boards are all about conjecture, and you have more than enough for all. I commented on your actions on this thread, and I called you no names, again, you own that crown. But as predicted and expected you finished with your usual flair. Perhaps this board is your catharsis as on other boards you seem civil. So attack away, this thread may be keeping you from harming yourself or other people in real life. And that's a good thing right? And as others have pointed out, one does not need to read the board.
Good luck.

 

you are exactly right. Pretending to be a doctor of psychiatry is making you feel self important....and that is a good thing. Its not like people come here and seek psychiatric advice. So they are safe. As a real health professional myself, I recognize your impossible plight....and I have empathy.
carry on.