Misc WizardOfVegas Forum is Dying

Clearly this is the most likely answer

 

Very true... you are right.
However in sticking with the intent of this thread.....I don't think the reason wov is dying is because a mod or 2 might be gay.i don't see any evidence provided

It's just gossip.

A straight man an or a gay man can be a socially backward lying psychologically needy man boy.
His sexuality/ is not what is driving the site down hill. .

 

Yeah but what the hell? He didn't read what he posted with his byline? And where was this assistant that should be checking these things. lol

I also would like to hear from Nate who started all this. He seemed to indicate there were more than one instance of this kind of thing in the reviews. I couldn't find any others. Multiple instances would make for a stronger case that it wasn't simply an oversight. Where are you nate? Internet out in the basement?....lol

I should have stuck with my original declaration that I didn't even want to think about this because spending just a bit of time looking into Weasels sexuality (or lack there of), surely means I will have difficulty getting in up for a while. lol.

 

Absolutely. As a matter of fact many/most gay men (and I am not saying Weasil is), especially those even a little bit older, meaning not of the current younger more accepting generation, are even more likely to have social issues, because of traumatic coming out experiences and acceptances.

And no....no one is saying this has anything to do with the slow, steady decline of WoV. It's just gossip. Hey that's what my people do...what is the excuse for the rest of you guys.....nate?

Boy this nate, is developing a history of throwing out bombs (LP9 sockpuppet and now Weasil is gay/bi) and then disappearing.

 

I can't say this for 10000 percent certainty but from
What I'm reading - Mike had an employee (nick) who was gay and probably gave Mike the right up for those reviews which Mike in turn posted

 

When this thread was started it intended to speak to why the wov site us dying.

Is their any connection to his sexuality

Whether he is straight or gay..posing with half naked women and using them as objects or scenery is abhorrent.

Whether he is gay or not...it still has to be embarrassing for his kids to see that.

Whether he is gay hetero or bi......A married man having a date with a model/working girl is a bad look and even worse to bring it to his site.

So what does his sexuality g Ave to do with the thread topic heading

 

My reading of that 'nick' reference was not that nick was an employee of Mike's, but associated with some other review from another website of magazine or something. I mean how many people work for Mike? Read it again and tell me what you think. Either way, it is a strange thing to put your byline on someone else's review.

 

It probably doesn't have anything to do with the topic. Although if by some long shot, nate turns out to be correct, I could make the case that all the womanizing, younger woman models and all has sort of been another case of Weasels dishonesty. But I suspect that is a mute point.

But don't get your feathers ruffled LarryS, the admin will likely break off this section to the off-topic section. It's just part of the freedoms we have on this site.

 

Pretty sure nick worked for him- if you look under gtlb subsection and then gay nightlife 101 the first post is the wizard saying nick worked hard on it and went all over town- I'm pretty sure nick did those reviews also

 

Ok, found Gay nightlife 101. Was looking for that before and couldn't find it. First thing I immediately notice is that it is a 'nick' byline as opposed to the other.

Taking 'nick's' review in the other section and putting it under Weasel's byline was probably the mistake that lent to some confusion to Nate and now others.

 

KJ didn't you ask me to cease and desist with all the gay talk or whatever? I find it kind of hypocritical and even a low blow of you for even talking about it at all, even though I'm very confident he's not Gay. You are kinda implying that being gay is somehow a bad thing(of course only if it somehow makes him look bad)

When has Mike claimed or pretended or shown to be a womanizer? In fact, he has said many times he has not ever had much luck with women. Posing with models, interviewing and hiring them for the site is a SMART business move. He has always said he thought the site would be a better place with more females on it. How would that show someone to be dishonest? Wouldn't that make your partner a dishonest person? I think being gay and getting married to a female, having kids with her is kinda( more than kinda) dishonest.

I have never seen or heard of him disrespecting or doing anything inappropriate towards women. I thought you guys were all about making good arguments about how "bad" WOV is ran. You seem to be contradicting yourself a bit as well. You make it seem as if you're not trying to make a big issue out of it. It seems like you are trying to further the discussion and spread the rumor, trying to help plant the seeds.

It's like if I started saying, I dont think KJ is (insert nationality) because he talks like a white guy. But then again, if he isn't white then he's been trying to fool us all, because he has been trying to make us think he's white. People are talking about the his Kids. IE. "It would be embarrassing if his kids seen this." That's some really pathetic low shit mentioning a guy's family in a derogatory OR negative manner.

If the site is Dying, It's because most all the drama queens, trouble makers, sock puppets, flamers(the internet kind) and trolls have left. What you dont seem to understand MIKE probably doesn't want any BS at the site. I think he would prefer there were no arguments, no flaming no, trolling no, insults, bullying. He wants a happy place with mostly math, gambling, casinos,vegas and some good hearted content. Why do you think he created DT?

PS. Don't you find it pathetic people made sockpuppet account just to bash WOV?

 

Agree, honestly sexual orientation is irrelevant and anyone that truly goes there is just stirring up crap again

 

Yes I do! I have said this a number of times. I can respect that maybe you aren't reading everything, but don't cherry pick (a phrase you like to use) your arguments. I think people using handles that aren't their 'regular' handles that they are known for throughout the community are cowards and that goes doubly for sock puppets. Very, very cowardly.

I didn't bring up this gay issue, someone else did (nate). I have stated probably 6 different times that I don't think that is the case, so I am not spreading rumors, Axel. Just engaging in the discussion that someone else brought up. We have that right here.

Why are you asking me this? Ask or criticize whoever said that. I am getting real tired of you folks from WoV coming here and trying to link me by association to what others are saying. I will take responsibility for ONLY what I say! Feel free to be critical of me for what I say. Be critical of others for what they say.

As for Weasel desiring a site with no drama, I participated there for 4+ years and was involved in almost zero drama. I stayed on topic of blackjack, and Vegas, and eventually branched out to some other topic like politics and sports with very little drama....none that I can think of. Drama in my situation started when Mike's so-called friend Qfit, showed up and started it, with the singular agenda of having me silenced or banned. Mike intensified that drama by getting involved when there was no need to. His very first PM to me started out, "while no rules have been broken, we mods don't like it when...". If no rules had been broken and no insults that rose to the level of suspension, why did he get involved? He created this drama.

Now, on a lighter note....I think you, Mr. Wolf, love drama. You miss it at WoV, and that's why you wonder over here occasionally....to get your drama "fix". I welcome you, ya big closet drama queen, , just as I welcome anyone else that wants to discuss anything.

 

AxelWolf,

Exactly what is it you contribute to these forums you belong to? I contribute nothing other than rebuttals against most of the AP bullshit claims of endlessly beating up on dumb casinos operators.

For example, I’m convinced just based on WON posts that he is in fact correct about one thing, his name, Wizard Of NOTHING. I don’t know him at all, but just based on what I’ve read of his posts my bullshit radar needle is bending from hitting the end of the glass so hard.

In 3.5 years you posted over 10,300 posts at the WOV. Really? You AP pros have that much time on your hands? In those 10k posts, most of your comments are usually some type of back door sarcastic response. What I enjoy the most is whenever someone makes some type of a claim, your one of the first one’s there to discredit the claim and demand proof. You always say video your claims or show proof, yet, you have never submitted one video or proof of anything you claim that took place. The WON is also the same type of proof-less bullshit artist.

What is it with you AP’s? It’s like you demand notoriety for what you allegedly can do. Look at all the nonsense conversations going on here about Kewlj. Their so bad you even got involved with it here. Then you go and make sarcastic comments about the posters here over there. Shouldn’t you be out there pulling slot arms raking in your salary? Or did you recruit enough slot workers at this point that you get to just sit home and delicate the plays to them and collect your share of the winnings.

I don’t know you at all and could only make a judgment based on what I’m reading. I think you are pathetic to a degree, and someday I suspect you will grow up and realize how foolish you actually sound.

For the record, you won’t be able to get me banned here for expressing my opinion. There is no BBB here that will rid me because you feel insulted when having to deal with others in a more serious way. Oh, and by the way, I don’t have your phone number. If the strange calls start coming in since I posted about you again here, rest assured it’s not me.

So, what is it you actually contributed with all those posts you made?

 

I hope I am not out of line for jumping in here Blackhole. I am not trying to step on Axel's feet....please also respond Axel. But as an AP, I have strong feelings, actually strong, conflicting feelings about this particular narrow subject.

First I know you are skeptical of most, if not all claims by AP's, Blackhole, very much including my own. That is your right. You are free to believe what you like. I am not trying to convince you of anything. Just sharing my experiences, hopefully for the benefit of other players, just as some did for me a decade ago. And while it is your right to believe whatever you like, this idea of proof is ridiculous. NO AP in their right mind is going to provide any kind of proof of anything.

I kind of have the mentality that most people are smart enough to figure out who knows what they are talking about and who is just talking. Generally, I like to let these 'frauds' hang themselves and usually they do. But, here's the part where I am conflicted. Some claims are so outrageous, and sometimes the people making them, so good at making their 'fantasy case', that there can be real damage to people who unknowingly follow their advise or strive to emulate them. When this occurs, I feel like legitimate AP's, and especially those of us that do so professionally (despite what you may think...lol) have not only a right, but a responsibility to call out these people and their claims. Axelwolf is very quick to do so, which as I said is his right and sometimes responsibility. He seems to enjoy it a little more than most.

And most AP's do have significant free time. Most work far less than the traditional 40 hour work week. I am what I call a grinder type, playing more hours than most AP's but still am well under the 'traditional' work week and well below what I used to play not all that long ago. So yeah, some of us have a good amount of free time, and some of us use some of that time on the message boards. Tonight for example, I have posted off and on for about 6 hours while doing other things, like watching TV, a couple posts sitting by the pool. It's not like I am sitting at a desk somewhere doing nothing else all night.

 

Oh the other thing about AP hours. I work 5-6 hours most days (5-6 days a week) and that includes a meal, sometimes two. Many other AP's especially the machine type guys, play a much less structured schedule. They bunch their hours. Some of them play many hours right in a row and then don't play again for days. Some even more extreme, especially those that travel, in playing long hours for several weeks and then are off for a long stretch.

 

Sorry I' having trouble quoting people it says something like my queue is full.

KJ.

Who cares who brought it up? You don't/didn't have to comment.Don't pretend you didn't love the fact that that rumor started(I'm no fool).

You know Damn well people are reading your posts and have specifically came here just to correspond with YOU. You hold some responsibility, like it or not. AAMOF the only reason I ever posted on this site is because of you. Instead of turning this site into a positive one, you want to play in the gutter with the rest of them(yes you said that was your MO, and that's as sad as some other BS that goes on)

FYI I Originally responded to a totally diffrent thread at the beginning. Someone thought it should go here. Why mods? It had nothing to do with this thread, it was about KJ calling me a Sockpuppet and or whatever he had in mind. It should have had it's own thread in the lounge. Had I known they would bring more attention to this thread I would not have commented. I guess They have their own agenda, they can explain all they want and until the cow come home there is ZERO REASON IT NEEDED TO GO HERE.

 

Are you the one that was on WOV that was wondering how APs do their finances and taxes....money in the bank, car loans, how they buy a house, credit cards...etc.? This is how -- the exact same way anyone else does it. Why is this so hard to understand?


Anyway, lots of APs have lots of free time. We aren't out there all day every day cranking away at the video poker machine or slots. It just can't be done. Sure, you could play low edge stuff (like 1% edges) all day every day if you really wanted to...but it's a waste of time, IMO. If there's a big promo one weekend, ya might spend 30-35 hours playing that weekend. Some APs may play many hours a day and grind it out, like KJ does, but many do not.

The difference is AP can be figured out (and proven) mathematically. Those system bettors or whatever they claim....have nothing to back it up. Either they're making shit up (99% of the time) or they're complete fucken idiots. If you found a glitch in a machine or found some super winning system, WHY WOULD YOU POST ABOUT IT PUBLICLY?

Yeah, there's a reason why smart AP's don't post what they do online....it actually works and could be detrimental if others found out about it. The smart ones don't go around bragging about the things they've done or what they do...only the stupid ones or the system people do that.

 

Aren't you the one who said he was a break in dealer at some hole in the wall...making minimum wage whining about tips?

Now you're an AP? Why would you post about it publicly? Do you really need the accolades of people on a forum.

Here's an AP tip for you. Pick up an extra shift at your casino this weekend. Or find an open spot on the overpass and start selling that bottled water. Hot weather is predicted.

Water, water, water, water. Get your cold water. Just one dollar. Coldest water on the strip. Water, water, water.

 

I'll state the obvious here. Just as sexual orientation is irrelevant, hanging out or posing with models or hookers should br rrelevant. It doesn't speak to "character" or "sleazy" or anything. That's completely subjective, judgemental, parochial stuff. How did the concept of being gay become more upstanding than posing with a model? That's silly.