Misc WizardOfVegas Forum is Dying

If you're even close to correct, who's to say MS wasn't enlisted from someone already broadcasting here. Same kind of damage control.

 

And YOU never accuse people of being sock puppets...right?

 

And just who was/ is Nate out there?

 

And im sure thousands of people he meet said he was a creep. Looks like yo would be flipping a coin with him, so I think that's a stupid comparison. I heard that many women said Ted Bundy was charming and nice. We/you can cherry pick all we want. But if everyone I talk to who's meet someone, and they all have positive things to say about them, i'll have to go with that until it's proven otherwise.

If everyone has bad things to say about someone there's a better chance something isn't right. Can we really draw a good conclusion of who people really are from online?

 

I DO. It's a hobby of mine. You would be surprised how often it's true. The KJisgay fellow I'm 90% certain who he is. The sad part is hes a 2faced KJ supporter on here.

 

where did you ever read that anyiones intent is to destro0y anything.
This is a discussion of the topic at the heading of this thread.,..nothing more, nothing less

wov is slowly self destructing....this thread just chronicles the process, the events, the reasons and shines the light on it
2 things can be equally true
wov could be currently the best gambling site
and
wov can be going down the toilet via mistreatment of its customers..

 

no one ever accused the person in question of being a robot.
So your experiences in a few hours of her life, live, doesnt preclude other peoples negative experiences.

You can date someone and not really know the real person for months and months as they are on their best behavior at first.
So if you are with someone who in public is on their best behavior....good for you. It just means in public for a few hours she was "nice".
No one would refute that possibility.

So some people on this site feels she treats people disrespectfully, and is socially backward in interacting with people, appearing to be bitter and damaged......when she wields the power of a mod.....and when she has zero power at a dinner table in a public place she behaves differently.

So, what. NOT SURPRISING

 

2f seems to get away with just as many veiled personal attacks as asshole ams828 (or whatever trump dude).

 

Or it mistreats its customers, yet still is doing exactly what its owner expected out of it.

Many options out there as you say Larry.

 

No AMS gets away with more and I believe it's due to liberal bias among some mods there. Turn around the things he says and say them about Hillary and there would be more suspensions. I have no doubt about that. But it's the same at the Huff Post. They remove negative posts about liberals all the time. Not "fair", and not good what you would call "customer service " but they seem to be doing fine. Never going to please everyone.

 

Even though it's a facade about privacy on forum boards, publishing a accurate photo of a person who only uses aliases is a invasion of privacy, whether the forums have rules or not. If the person of the image has reasonable fear for their lives, there can be a lawsuit case made for such actions. I know of a few. If someone where to post everyone's correct photo's, how would that make you feel?

I know of forum boards that used to have everyone's pictures and even a board to find them, but almost all forums have stopped that practice. There can be very real consequences.

That said, it's not unreasonable to think that a unhappy person would use a position of authority on some forums somewhere to support their ego needs.

 

and mistreating customers has its consequences.

this thread is one consequence

the 25 percent loss of visiting members daily compared to 2 years ago is another consequence

the waiving the tin cup a couple years ago was another consequence

and selling the site as an unprofitable business......had its consequences on the selling price.

and if all the above is what the owner "expected"....then good for him....mission accomplished

 

Beached whale deleted a picture of herself I believe with one or 2 other people when someone from the wov get together posted some pics.
She was self suspended for that abuse of power. The manboy wiz, posted an agreement with her suspension.
The main point being is that she allowed a previous group pic of herself at a different wov get together. So to selectively censor was deemed to be bad form and suspendable
So if she didnt complain back at the original group shot,,,,then she cant pick and choose down the road. The pandoras box was opened at that point.

totally agree...and evidence is provided here often of just that.

 

Or it might actually get more "paying customers" because the gambling discussion gets more focus. Perhaps others might join knowing there's less drama and strict rules. Honestly people who post daily or often and don't play online casinos don't add much or anything to their bottom. line.

Whatever you want to say about how the is ran, it's obvious someone liked it.

If it was actually affecting their bottom line they probably would've done something about it already. Meanwhile their revenue probably keeps going up. Most people want to know about gambling strategies/odds and WOO has that locked up. If they wanted more forum members or posts they could simply make an announcement on LCB and im sure traffic would improve I doubt they need or want it.

I know it sucks to have contributed to Mike's success only to have been told to get lost, but that's life.

 

LarryS, could you explain again your reasoning behind your claim that I and other posters at WoV are "customers?"

I buy nothing there.

I assume you are refering to the banner ads: are the ones who pay the site to run their ads the "customers?"

Your argument that the mods are too heavy handed, arbitrary and capricious may have some merit when applied to "posters," but it seems a reach to call a "poster" a "customer."

A question of semantics, certainly.

 

A customer goes into a place of business and gives he business money in exchange for goods and/or services.
A "posting" customer of wov enters the establishment and gives the business their time, effort, expertise....in exchange for the use of their site(and get their joy or entertainment, or knowledge exchange value).
The site in turn uses the "numbers" generated by visits to maximize their advertising dollars....as advertisers look at daily visits.

In part the posting customers, help in part to generate visits. Of course other content helps to generate visits as well.

Instead of handing over cash in exchange for services.....like in a brick and mortar business. The poster hands over time effort and expertise in exchange......its like a barter system.

Without the customer the retail shop would close down.
Without the posting customer, wov would not need to close, but their numbers would go down, and hence the value to the advertisers would go down as well.

whether the site would lose hundreds of dollars, or thousands of dollars, or 10 dollars.....I cant guess. But there is a monetary value that is assignable to the posting customers.

this site recognizes that posters are valued customers that will eventually allow the site to charge advertisers. Perfect example here

 

Actually, that photo has no hits on two different photo search engines. Tin Eye for one. It'd be interesting where in the public domain that was found. There really isn't a good reason to publish someones personal photo. And someone just saying "I don't want my photo published" certainly isn't going to stop anything.

 

The banner ads are similar to the Redbox or any other vending machine in a retail stores.

Either they(the vending machine people) pay a flat fee or they pay a percentage of the gross sales to the main store.

Same with banner ads, either they pay a montly fee, or theypay a percent of "purchases" from their site. Whatever the contract says.

either way....the more traffic in the retail store...the chance of more people using the vending machine

and the more traffic at the website...the chance of more people.....clicking on the banner

 

the REAL customers are lurking for short periods of time and are mostly interested in information about gambling. Probably about 90% of the regular posters on WOV do more harm than good because they are anti-gambling online. Go read many of their comments. For instance one of the top posters and "roulette experts" said you are foolish to gamble online(or something like that). There are many anti online casino comments like that. And if a regular poster gets screwed online it looks really bad, because they actually have some credibility and action has to be taken.

Look at what happen to Mission2games (or whatever its called)

Some of the regular WOV posters started playing it and quickly found all kinds of BS. Yet that had been going on a long time before that. People on LCB and other sites even complained, but nothing was taken seriously. Do you know how much its going to cost that casino now that they had to fix underpaying games and everything? And any affiliate that was getting a revenue share from them? I would say 100's of thousands (remember people were not getting paid for winning combinations with wild's, VP hands were not getting paid, bonus rounds would disappear if you got disconnected(happen often) .

I would say many of consistent posters do more harm than good when it comes to them making money.

 

I'm sure it's true a lot, and if you're a mod on a forum, you may be able to track IP's as well. I'm sure Kj made claims he never accuses people of anything. If people used one alias, both boards would drop about 50 users in a second.