Baccarat Flat Betting Possibilities

It is because one side wins more than the other (baccarat, craps). In roulette things are even so singles should equal streaks (series).

 

Thanks, you are right, but that slite small difference of one side over the other with Baccarat make such a difference.
My assumptions would be a very large sample to take advantage of such occurrence or am I wrong.

I have 100 live Baccarat Shoe's and if I analyze them one by one I assume there will only variance.
The true advantage needs some length of outcomes to become true.

Maybe I am wrong, can someone put some light on this.

Cheers Patrik

 

It's a bit puzzling how you are doing this, I've used OLD (opposite of Last Decision for years at the tables)

Capture all single outcomes is the aim.


P
P streak (lose, stop betting)
B streak ends (it was a no-bet hand, now bet P)
P chop win (single Banker chop, captured)
B chop win (single Player chop, win)
B streak loss << stop betting (yes, losing bet, stop betting)
P streak ends (uncaptured, not really uncaptured, as you now bet Bank and the next hand is unknown)
? bet here

To capture a single, it doesn't have to bet prior to the outcome, after the outcome will also suffice.

 

I would love to play Baccarat but I need more than the one stream of information. Somebody suggested using their wins and losses as a stream and I find that ridiculous. How are my bad choices going to show me what the next outcome might be.

 

OLD would capture each and every single, true. I think Elliott wanted to avoid the long losing streaks seen when betting OLD. He paused during each column/streak and waited until it was done. Honestly the losing streaks are about the same. The TWOs were his nemesis. At least it was every other decision instead of every decision.

 

Gotcha you can't have 2's as your nemesis, to prevalent a lot of the time. Seen many a shoe where the 2nd line hole gap was non-existence.

 

You are correct.

 

fathead would you share Elliott Maricle's "Tide" system in public or private?

Cheers Patrik

 

Fathead, doesnt it make sense to flat bet after 2 banker/player runs to switch? You dont run into the same issues you do with the tyde syatem you mentioned. Was running the numbers today on 1 million simulated shoes and this is what I found.

-9,350,122 lost units

+9,595,877 won units

+245,755 total units won

Thats about +.25 units per shoe

From what I see, both Player and Banker runs of 3 or more added up are still less the total amount Player/Banker runs of 2 combined.

Thoughts?

Would like to play around a little more with flat betting ideas at the casino.

 

That would work if you did not have banker pushes or banker commission. Baccarat and Craps have one side that wins more than the other (Banker and Don't Pass) that creates the edge that you see. The house eliminates that edge and causes a loss through Banker Pushes / Banker Commission (also the Come Out 12 decision on Don't Pass is a push).

 

Then doesnt it makes sense to eliminate banker bet from the equation and only bet on player side? Meaning waiting for for 2 bankers in a row then bet on Player so as not to be affected by the banker commission or push?

 

The problem with that is that Player only wins at 49.3%. The house will beat you flat betting by winning at a 50.7% rate. Banker generally is the better bet even after pushes and commission. Some setups offer a possible flat bet edge if you are patient (PPPP bet B or the 70% Player bet Banker). Otherwise you have to use some sort of money management scheme. Junket King and CarloDarlo have some good ideas.

What you are doing with the BPP bet B and PBB bet P should not work in the long run even with your martingale but posters like You and Craps seem to make it win over years of play. Is it luck? Not sure. A positive and relaxed attitude often helps. Maybe it leads you unconsciously choose the best times to play and tables to play. There is something to that.

 

No you wouldn't, it has been close to twenty years you've been posting on these boards I know of. So if you wanted to play Bac you would've by now.

Second for someone who claims to see patterns. You say looking at.

wlwlwl or lllwllllwllwlllllw are'nt patterns you can follow? Your saying if I'm losing twice and hitting at the third or fourth I can't wait on another loss then do a one two or just play the decision that would lose?

If you use a fixed bet selection you see this ALL the time in your win loss pattern. You will see back to back multiple wins then multiple losses. Today back to back went thirty five plays. You lose when it switches sides. Simple really.

This isn't that hard if you truly see patterns.....

 

So you are saying wait 4 or 5 or 6 Players then bet banker? There is a casino that I have gone which has dozens of active baccarat tables at once, so would be easy to wait until 6 Players in a row to show up and bet banker.

 

Yeah, I have done pretty well playing baccarat..maybe I have been lucky. But dont get me wrong..i bust often, but I do bounce bounce pretty quick as well, even if I have to push myself to get back to 1 unit, I do it so I walk away with something, but my average session I do decent. I think you saw my post with my scorecard and busts as well as profits...i dont deviate..play the same thing every time...only exception is playing around with methods like yours or reducing excalation from 1,2,4,8,16 to 1,2,4,8 or 1,2,4 for example.

 

I been testing a style, bet b after ppp pop and buckin up against 1085 tested shoe am lookin at a nets profit of 325.55 units per shoe and worst case drawdowns scenario has been -22.4 units. So that's anout .3 units per shoe and some might scoff. But a shrewd cat know that profits is profits and pony up a bankroll and large base units flat bet to make it worths while. So a shrewd cat would pony up a 50k lifetimes bankroll and workin with a 1000$ base unit bet and grindin 10 shoe per day, five days per week then this style would put 660Ks nets profits in yer pockets per annum, hey hey.

 

I've seen threes disapear for a month....Yep a month.... Nothing but twos or more no threes. Then when they showed up there were a couple of shoes streaks never went past three and the finally balanced out. Take your bankroll and go hit that grand bet repeatedly and let us know how that works out for you.

 

325 units "nets" per shoe, Wow, PMSL

Ok, I need to make a quick call, shouldn't be a problem for anybody here to pony up 50k

yeah, I guess that's why it's so easy for this bell-end to pull in 250k for the last 12 years just so he could pay his land-lords mortgage, or maybe if ya in social housing its paid along side your disability benefit. Cue how to survive on Welfare in Toronto, while fantasising about living the dream.

 

It wins flat betting, at least on my data. Here is my thread.

https://www.gamblingforums.com/threads/pppp-bet-b-update.22290/

 

I think this is great and hope you make a mint. I just don't really understand it because the busts eventually take profits well below zero during testing. As long as it is working for you I would continue until it stops working. You are doing something right.