Misc WizardOfVegas Forum is Dying

Here is the case in a nutshell. Qfit was not a member of WoV. He hadn't participated in 5 years and 9 months. He came to WoV for one single reason, to have me silenced from voicing my opinion by whatever means. Having achieved that objective, he has once again disappeared, except for a little bit of bickering back and forth with some members of WoV in the immediate aftermath.

This is a major point that I feel does not get enough attention. Had Qfit been an actual regular member, who's interest was contributing to the site, and he and I had a feud going on, it would have been an entirely different situation. A that point, a proposed truce might have been reasonable and eventually someone would likely be booted and whoever it was would have felt wronged.

But that is not the case. Qfit was not a regular member. He came there for one single reason and for management to have sided with him over a regular longtime contributing member is horribly wrong. And doing so for the reason that he was/is a friend, is just totally unacceptable, extremely unprofessional.

That is the initial issue and everything that occurred after that, is almost irrelevant.

 

KJ, does the Wiz consider Qfit a friend?

You live in Las Vegas as well, I believe: are you a friend to the Wiz?

My point: as with most things in Las Vegas, he with the most "juice" wins.

I suspect you may have simply gotten juiced.

 

I don't really understand your questions or statements, MrV.

I can say with some certainty that Mike considers Qfit a friend. I can say this because in a private message he stated "You have some legitimate complaints but I can't just let you back and continue to bash Norm, who I consider a friend”.

I don't know what Mike's criteria for considering someone a friend is, but I would not expect that he considers me a friend. I have never met the man. I have never had a face to face conversation with him. As a matter of fact, having seen him in public a number of times, I chose not to approach him and introduce myself.

What I do find interesting about this whole "consider someone a friend" thing, is that I wonder how strongly (if at all) that feeling is reciprocated. Qfit's public comments that he didn't participate at WoV because he didn't trust Mike, isn't exactly a glowing endorsement of friendship...at least not friendship as I know it.

It isn't really my place to question how someone else defines their friendships (but I will...) and another statement that Mike made “Let me say this. Norm is a nice guy. He is also in the short list of the best blackjack mathematicians out there", just seems to indicate less of a personal friendship and more of an admiration/respect thing among 'math' guys to me.

 

One other thought on the topic of 'friendship'.

Another statement that Mike made in private: "I know this whole thing was handled rather poorly but reversing myself is only going to cause Norm to come after me instead of you”.

That's puzzling to me? Your 'good friend' is going to "go after" or attack you because you are reversing an action you admit you handled poorly?

Again, that just doesn't fall into the description of what I think "friendship" is all about. But then neither does going to a site that you don't participate at and trying to use some sort of friendship or acquaintance-ship, or mutual respect situation to influence someone to doing your dirty work. That's not friendship by my definition....that is using people. But maybe that's why Shackleford can relate to it so well. That is right up his alley.

 

Kewlj. I told you before there was more too it- norm is an attack dog and threatens to sue for slander and call the server and hosing companies and create crazy havoc , I'm 100 percent certain this is what happened

 

Yep I am aware of that, WoN. I appreciate you sharing that in private before and now doing so in public. You are one of several people that seems to think or know something about this angle.

And I can appreciate Norm's crybaby/threats antics, for which he is well known for, may have created a headache for Mike. But for god sakes, Michael...you don't cave to a bully like that. Be a fucking man and stand up for yourself and for what you know and are privately saying is the right thing to do. Not doing so makes you a sellout and a weakling....and empowers that bully to continue to bully others down the road.

Shackleford is a big challenge type guy. He is obsessed with food challenges and did that climb a rope challenge in California, last year that the rest of us did in grade school. And sleazily, he is involved in betting against people in a weight loss challenge.

So, if what you say is true, WoN and with Mike being such a big "challenge guy", I challenge him to show some backbone, some self respect and stand up for what he knows is right. I challenge him to be a man.

 

The wiz is a fitness buff.

I could be wrong, but I think he "works out" one to two hours a day, minimum.

I mention this because it is not consistent with the stereotypical notion of a "nerd" that some may try to label him.

Gotta give the guy props for staying in shape: how many WoV members are his equal in that regard?

Looking at the WoVCon pics: uh, none.

My guess: he sees himself sort of like an alpha wolf.

 

The one of you is still there, was looking at it yesterday. You do seem an amiable chap

 

Listen.....If you find him to be physically attractive, you 2 can bet a room next time

U can participate in his anal.sex challenge

 

I BEG YOUR PARDON, he looks a jolly chap, somebody you could have a decent yarn and a good laugh with, save the anal for WoN.

Unable to find the one of BBB which she didn't mind being posted, no such luck.

 

"So fuck you Axel." I'm very flattered KJ, I didn't think I was your type, but I must decline that offer I'm just not a Miata man. however If you ever need a wing man.

 

Look no further! Beached whale now appearing.... Thread: "WOV Winter Event Photos". Jan 18, 2015. Looks like the whale really dolled herself up for that one.

Scroll down to see AxelWolf and his "entourage". Not sure what that's about. I can guess but I won't. I'm in a good mood...just found $1.25 in credits on an Ultimate X. I thought grandma would never get up. It's official...I am now an AP.

 

Okay, I think some of you need to start posting for a general audience (Axel, listen up), not your WoV debate teams. This thread has many readers. Help them out.

1) Using phrases from the (online) urban dictionary does not make one trendy or cool or even correct. It comes across as cliquish and precious, like a (dated) Seinfeld reference posing as clever. I doubt there's any gay stats for Miata ownership.

2) Research is not done by spending 10 minutes googling things.

3) Wikipedia is not something that you list as a reference if you want to appear as if you know what you're talking about.

Editorial Bob

 

Whoa, a bit of uncalled for hostility there by the board's self-appointed arbiter.

WTF are you yakking about, you bitter, bitter man?

You claim I have made an "anal.sex challenge?"

Really?

Please, post proof of this absurd claim.

 

Yep BBB looking much better, a bit of a transformation there. Karen (Mrs Pacman) is hotttt (ouch)

 

I don't have my nose up anyone's ass I'm just giving my opinion defending WOV. Mike and or anyone I happen to like. Hell I might even defend someone I don't like if I thought they were a good person overall. As I said if all of the legitimate stuff people have been saying about Mike is true then that's pretty good. I just think many people are really shitty people.

People actually hate BBB jut because she is a moderator on that forum. I haven't ever heard anything remotely bad about her as a person. All my experiences have been very positive.

I highly doubt Mike even likes anyone here talking about him good or bad regarding all of this.


I'm not sure exactly what I said that was so far out of line. You posted up the private conversation between you and Mike that anyone reading that can see basically what happened. Please explain how what I said was so wrong or bad? Mike said he was going to turn the matter over to his boss. You said some crazy sounding shit before that could happen. Mike seems to have reacted in a way anyone would have. He was probably thinking.... fuck this guy.... he is definitely crazy, perhaps I made the right move after all.

You went from what looked like the victim of an unjust poor action, to making people second guess themselves on this matter. You had support from almost everyone at one time. Now it seems its mostly just people who have been ousted or have dislike for WOV.

I mean look how you are acting towards me and i really haven't done anything wrong. You just dont like that I can be objective and see that you and Mike handled this wrong. Your upset that I'm doing exactly what you are doing in regards to Mike by bringing up the same stuff over and over. It's getting nowhere actually its hurting you probably in ways you don't know the more you keep at it the worst you look, yet its not even put a small dent in Mike. It's like he's in your head and isn't even trying It's not good for you or the gambling community.

You did put the final nail in your coffin. Even if you think you were never going to be allowed to come back. You gave Mike a legitimate reason to not a apologize and feel justified in his original decision. I honestly think you were close to getting back on and getting some kind of an apology and Mike would've more than made it up to you somehow. I guess we will never know now.


I'm not pretending to do anything Go back and read, I already said I DIDN'T COME HERE TO DEFEND YOU. I came here to let you know I was not KEWLJISGAY since You accused me of being that guy. I tried to explain to you it was someone who was both defending you and pretending to be on your side, meanwhile they were playing both sides under 2 different names and they're still here. They probably realized they were going to get caught. I cant believe you guys haven't figured it out yet, its so obvious.

KJ who was in referring to the fact that everything was being forgotten Out of sight, out of mind is true for anyone on these forums, I would've said the same about anyone under the right circumstances. It wasn't meant to be as sinister ans you're taking it.

I'm very sorry I upset you, I apologize. It's just a online forum, I think you have more "serious" issues and people to deal with(norm for one). I don't want to add to your problems. I really hope you can get over all this move on and get back to more productive things. I thought you wanted to give back to newcomers? This crap is just distracting from that.

 

KJ, I admit I don't know all (or many) of the details. I have publicly stated you got screwed and played. Many defended you and still do for the original issue. I know I do. But I also know if I'm threatened like you did Mike, I have zero interest in associating with that person. Maybe it wasn't physical, but it was something no one wants to deal with. Regardless of what lead you to that point, you snapped from what I observed. Again nobody won, except maybe Norm, but my advice is to move on and live you life like you always have. We can all agree there is no going back.

 

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I have not defended every action Mike has ever made that's total BS. I criticized him for saying what he said to Boz I even sent him a message. I also posted up that other suspensions were unfair. I have told him that not suspending certain people was unfair. You would have to go back and all my posts. I'm willing to bet I can find some. I have told him that telling people not to let the door hit them in the ass is very rude and cold. I have also been critical of Bovada and some online casinos he/they advertise.

I am always critical of him or anyone posting up about plays, how to beat them and what to play(mainly because I dont like the casinos and darksiders getting that information) That's what he does, that's what he has been doing before I ever meet him, I dont think I can do anything to change that. He makes/made Most of his money from adding math gambling content, people enjoy reading about AP stuff and want to know how to beat plays. It sucks people are hand fed everything nowadays.

The fact that he posted about the $5 machines made it better for me. Everyone was so focused on that they missed everything else,
go read Dancers article he and other AP's missed some good stuff. (same thing happen at the Revel). I actually told everyone this is going to be better for us that they took out the $5, we won't have to get there super early and kill ourselves, people will think the play is worthless and they won't show up, copy us and take up and or all the machines. The obvious play isn't normally the best play.

I DON'T CARE IF I GET SUSPENDED, I FIND IT VERY FUNNY. It has no affect on my life. I dont care of I cant post or not. Even if it's an unjust suspension. It doesn't make me mad or hurt my feelings when I get suspended by anyone including Mike. He thought I was upset with him over my last suspension at the last WOV meet up when I arrived because I didn't say hi, I just laughed. I was certain it was going to get him pissed off once he found out. FYI I'm sure inappropriate flagging was discussed before and it was stated what it should be used for.

IMO any AP posting up about a new plays and different ways is the biggest problem. If it wasn't for loose lips, books and website math guys wouldn't know about the plays to to the math dark-siders wouldn't have the information to inform the casinos. There would be very few AP's if not for all the free information. It would seem like a Myth and not possible.

Have you ever thought people are here defending WOV because they know it pisses you guys off? Trolling the trolls and haters? And no KJ im not trying to piss YOU off I just dont think Mike is this horrible person you and others are making him out to be.

For every bad thing people say about WOV and or it's members I like, I'm going to say something good about it or them. Not because I'm kissing ass, but because I want to. If it happens to irritate a few people who have a vendetta against WOV or whomever that's just icing on the cake. Or who knows I might get board and stop posting all together.

 

You are taking things out of order to intentionally make me look worse and Mike better.
Here is the specific order of the conversation:
1.) Mike said, If he let me back in the forum there would be consequences from Norm. Norm would turn his attacks to Mike instead of me.
2.) My reply was that there were going to be consequences from me if he didn't. That I was not going to let this go and would continue to bring up how he treated me unfairly and dishonestly.
3.) I then received the PM saying he would turn the matter over to Zuga, with positive recommendations.

It is unfortunate that #2 and #3 crossed, making it seem as though my more negative response came after Mike had a change of heart an made an offer that was moving things in the right direction. That was not the case.

You can call it "crazy sounding shit". To me it was part of a discussion, a private discussion. There was no threat and it wasn't made in the public domain where it might have seemed more of a threat. It was simply a response to his statement that there would be consequences from Norm if he let me back.

And BTW, let's look at the extremity of his reaction to that. Instead of responding that he didn't appreciate that comment, where I would have likely apologized and we could have continued with the progress that was being made, he flew into a rage as he often does, changed his recommendation from positive to recommending that my ban stand, and locked my account at Diversity Tomorrow, so that we no longer had an avenue of communication. And I am the one who is tempermental?

An apology from Mike? (when has that ever happened). Made if up to me somehow? These are pure speculation on your part, designed to make Mike look more reasonable than he has shown throughout this ordeal.

I want to address this "close to getting back on". It shouldn't have even taken all this negotiations and back and forth for more than 3 months. In Mike's very first communication with me after I was nuked, the very first words were "I know this whole thing was handles rather poorly"....

There should have been no negotiations and back and forth for months. Step up to the plate and fix what you handled badly.

I mean, members of WoV made it clear in several threads they thought Mike's actions were wrong. I know for a fact 3 different mods thought he handled it wrong. BBB was actually told to "stand down". Several of you guys, supposedly his friends expressed that he handled it wrong. And probably most importantly, he himself, in his very first words to me, stated he handled it wrong. So what's the problem? Fix it! Why all this back and forth searching for a way for him to save face? Step up to the plate and fix it!

I don't know. Mike, himself directed me to this site. In his snarky, nasty little way he said there was a whole site of people that criticized him and directed me here. Seems to me, he loves the attention.