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Arguing with 1BB is a waste of time. You know most of the people he talks about and you know it's all BS. He has no clue about their lives off the forum. It's all guesswork. But I'll bet our guesswork about his life is spot on, or its actually worse than we imagine. Bitter, bitter little man.

 

Agreed

 

This just in from WOV, the biggest spam site around.

K. i. t. c. h. e. n. s. For Sale Derby UK (12) They can't stop the spam over there just like they can't stop the pathological liars. Poor Zuga.

The kitchen guy comes and goes as he pleases...just like Buzzard.

 

there were alot of facts in freddys post above....yet you dont point them out as lies......you just make declarations.
how bout posting proof if you are going to dismiss someone elses statements.
A sane person would have to admit that over almost a year, freddy has been on target a high percentage of the time,....and has helped to evoke the changes that have already occured there. Yes the whale has not changed as most can see....so she is still fair game.

 

You have some gall to direct SMH, Mr I lost $127000 in the world trade center, I have a girl squatting on my chest, about to take a dump is she? Mr Big EZ

 

You can S a D. A bunch of quarter video poker players acting like they have big balls- I posted my number - not a single person had the balls to call so you can go choke on a big one

 

Perhaps not the intent, but I'll give 'er a whirl anyways...

I think it all boiled down to abrasiveness, though "abrasiveness" isn't quite the word I'd like to use. When I showed up in the way-back, the place was... I wouldn't say "stuffy", but it was certainly populated by a majority of learned types. I know I never came in there casual; I participated no different than if I was addressing directors at my place of employment. It just had that feel to it. I can recall not few first time posters beginning their participation with the phrase "I'm a little intimidated...". It was guys like Doc, Pacomartin, MathExtremist, guys who always remained professional and rarely if ever fucked around.

When you were there, that characteristic still existed. Guys like Aceofspades tempered it a bit, as he was casual. Guys like Buzz added a "good ol boy" element. And then there's the Axel crew, which I include guys like RS, Romes, WoN; the young upstarts, full of vigor and ready to AP the world. But there was still that aura of professionalism (at least in my eyes)

Either way, your style wasn't much seen. Most anytime anyone went against the grain, it was served mildly, even meekly. What I would consider "great pain" was taken to ensure any contradictory comment was clearly a difference of opinion and not an attack on character. Your way was different. I didn't have much experience with you. I knew you posted, but my knowledge of you was you making snide comments at or about Sky Pilot and the turtleneck. I found your interactions with them to be a bit juvenile, but I sure agreed with your stance as both are a bit fraudulent.

Your style at WoV didn't much change, hasn't changed now. You didn't season, you put no cream in your coffee. Just POW!, here it is. And that just wasn't often done there, at least in that era. I notice now people dropping relatively mild profanity like "bullshit"; that would not have flown back then. And really, I think it all comes down to that. You were boldly critical of the goings on there. In reviewing your last 10 or so posts, it was critique after critique given in that same "no added filler" style of yours. I do NOT think it was trolling, nor do I consider it such. But I do think you were very critical of the site owner, and hit him where it hurt. And after 5-10 of those posts in a row, I can totally empathize. I can imagine someone harping on my failure or poking me where it really hurts. Some folks did it (still do it) in jest about my racing failure this year, and even though I KNOW they're just joking, it hurts a bit. Were they to do it maliciously, it WOULD rankle me very deeply. And I reckon if I owned the joint, and someone was just bitching at me not stop in my time of weakness, I might just plunk them, too.

In many ways it's no different than Buzz. Doesn't matter if it's justifiable or even needed; poke the dragon enough and you're bound to get burned. My take, anyways.

My job is why I HATE blackjack, but my lack of gambling bug goes much deeper.

I just have no love for money. Don't covet it, don't desire it, haven't lusted for it since I was a child. I (think I) figured out life for me, and in my way, money is simply a needed resource no different than water. I need X amount to survive. If I have that, the rest is immaterial.

Add to that that my happiness isn't all that tied to the material. Being poor (1st world poverty) is a remarkable way to snap your priorities into shape. Whether my years as a junkie or my recent year of poverty, both have shown me what's really important, what is NEEDED to make me happy. Shelter where I can lay my head safely, running water, heat in the winter. THAT makes me feel safe, content. And when it comes to happiness, I've found my ways. Fishing is a passion of mine. It makes me happy, takes me to that mental heaven where nothing else can reach me, where it's just me, nature, and a talent to exercise and give me confidence. I get 365 days of that for just $30. Hockey is another, one of those things where all of modern life falls away and it's just me and a goal. $150 for 6 solid months of passion. Shit like DishTV or central air, home theatres or next-gen gaming consoles with a library of games... it's just filler. Very, very expensive filler to act as a placeholder. That's not happiness, that's a distraction. It's escapism.

Gambling puts my happiness at risk for an almost impossible gain. What can one expect to gain for their risk when gambling? More money, of course, but how much? If I "invest" X, how much should I expect in return?

My risk v reward puts those numbers into an almost impossible configuration. $100 to me pays a full month of my water, gas and electric, with enough left over for a cheap dinner out. There's my content, there's my foundation for happiness. How much would I have to win to get that same positive materially? For me, that's like $2k - $5k. A nice 17' open bow with a 90hp Johnson MIGHT get me the same positive as paying my bills, but material does so little for me you need a lot more of it to make up the difference. Turning $100 into 20-50 times that is about the level needed for it to make financial sense to me, and that's just not reasonable, I daresay even in the most profitable AP opportunity.

If I'm in the area, sure. I'll take $100 to the PGP tables. That I don't mind (actually enjoy) because you basically push for 3 hours until you're hammered on "free" beer, and might even walk away $20 ahead. If I lose it all, well, it's more entertaining and gets me more drunk than $100 at the bar, so it's good value. Anything else? No way. I got a bill from M&T Bank on my fridge for my truck. Amount due: $0.00. THAT is happiness, and I'll not risk it =)

 

Thanks Face, for taking time and effort to give a reason. I am not going to turn this thread into a trial of woe is me me me and go back and forth with a defense. Its not the intent of this thread and doesnt belong here as has been done before with KJ..So I will thank you for the time and effort....and I will respond, possibly with quotes of my last posts of "poking the dragon". And see what you say in response....Then I will leave it there....because as you said....things have changed to the point where people can say "bullshit". Now thats progress(lol)
But I did outline the progress I noted on a couple posts before, and thats what I always wanted.....and it is noticeable ...so mission accomplished.
Going back and forth about me me me is not going to be my intent as I said, even if there was amnesty..I would not be a customer of wov. So I am not yearning to be welcomed back...or even unwelcomed back.
So again thanks....one response on the topic to come. Actually I had a 30day suspension during the tin cup waiving and came back and I dont remember getting personal with the wiz. Maybe I did. I will look. I just remember engaging in a back and forth with someone about the concept of me being a customer and wanting to be treated as a customer. And then after 3 or so posts on that topic I was nuked. I will have to look back and verify. Maybe I dont remember it like you suggested. Maybe you are right. But I do remember I was nuked just a few posts back from a 30 day suspension...maybe I poked the tiger..maybe I was just on the wrong side of an issue. I will see. I will have to look.

still I guess I didnt break any rules...since no reason was given....even a year later when someone other than myself asked.

 

You're lying. I heard you got quiet a few calls, many in fact, from car dealerships and air conditioning suppliers, any gays call ya, your number is plastered on GamblersGlen?

 

No problem =)

And just so we're clear, that was just my impression. I admittedly briefly skimmed those posts, and I just saw stuff I would describe as "critical". I happen to enjoy that, usually, as I find critique to be a pure form of figuring out where I'm going wrong. But there's certainly times/instances where I'm just pissed off and don't care to improve, I just want everyone the fuck out of my face. It's my opinion that this whole thing was the latter.

But it's just my opinion, a bit of Occam's Razor.

 

See that's how much of a piece of trash you are- thank you for letting me know it was you that did that- must have some real great life - I obviously meant not a single person from the forum that talks all big and tough was man enough to call

 

LarryS was busted for trolling, in my opinion.

In his case, trolling involved repeatedly questioning the owner's business model, and being disputatious in general.

That board is akin to the Mickey Mouse Club; upstarts who question Underlying Principles will not be tolerated.

Gotta drink the Kool-Aid over there, or at least pretend to take at least a baby sip, smack your lips and rub your belly.

Also, LarryS was asking some hard questions, the answers to which might have proved embarrassing to the Wiz.

Whatever, it seemed to be a bad fit.

 

"I wouldnt refer to this as someones "home". Homes do not have billboards in them generating income.
This is a place of business that trys to generate income by inviting people to these boards and using the visitation numbers to try to attract advertisers.
We are the customers.

Just as a customer can walk into Sams furniture store and tell the manager Sam that he doesnt like the way he runs his business and treats his customers. He doesnt like the "help" and the way they interact with others....its not Sams home. A customer has that right in most successful businesses

Now Sam can decide that the customer doesnt have that right in HIS store....and just tells the customer "dont let the door hit you"....
Its Sam's right in a free country to throw the complainer out, claim that his feelings were hurt, and on top of that ban them for days or forever. Thats fine, businessman Sam can certainly do that.

And then the other side of it.....Sam may see a reduction in furniture buying by those he "punished" and by those that heard about the treatment via word of mouth.

But I do agree if you knock on the persons door of their home, or call them on their private phone number and complain......that is indeed not good form...and scarey. If that happened I am with Ron C in condemning the person. Let me be the first to second Ron C's comment......never go to a managers home to discuss anything business related. Save that for the venue of the bus"

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on this website "the product" is bovada and any other company that chooses to advertise based on the "visit" numbers.
the product is t-shirts for sale and any other items
the product is cash sent via pay pal for those viewing the contribution link
the product is the goodwill the owner garners by having a well populated biard as possible goodwill in getting future personal consulting jobs or future advertisers

we are the customers that allow the above listed to garner profits.
we are the customers that help create the stream of income from the items i listed above

if the stream of income that comes in is low....thats not our fault. that the fault of the business end of the operation.

so no we are not mere "products"....we are consumers

Just because something is free doesnt mean consumers of the free product is not involved.

Some flea markets are open to the public for free and some charge admission. Do the consumers of the 2 types of flea markets deserve to be treated with any less respect and consistancy?

This site is like a flea market of gambling. THere are things for the customers to look at and things to buy.

A flea market without people is just a bunch of crap


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no need for analogies??? why because you declared it? Or is it because the analogies do not jive with your views?

Like a flea market that has alot of things for view....or consumption...so does this site as well.

I can consume the message boards, I can be a consumer of Bovada, of the Tshirts for sale, I can be a consumer of the hotel reviews, a consumer of the essays on gambling. In exchange my time is money, I donate my time on the message board a few minutes a day.

Without consumers of the message board, its a ghost town...the product(message board) is irrelevant....just as a flea market is irrelevant without consumers. The message board needs consumers in order for advertising to be sold. Zero cinsumers....means zero advertising.

no need for analogies???? why ? Just because you cant give a cogent response, does that make analogies unimportant to the discussion?
I guess so.

This is a place of business. If a worker in a place of business tells dumb blonde jokes for all to hear....its great for the advertisers who think blondes are dumb. Its great for the customers who think blondes are dumb. And its great for overseers who think the same.

And if blondes are fair game.....then jews, blacks,Polish the obese and ugly are part of the open season......but its at the discretion of board monitors and the owner.

I have a feeling if I told a joke on one of the above topics....I would be nuked

but isnt that what successful business is all about???.....consistent treatment and valuing of customers

without the above the business is doomed.

but then again we are not consumers....we are "products"......I see...that could answer alot of comments.


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I know its not burger king. Burger king is a successful business that treats its customers consistantly, in the same fashion. No games, no variations of rules for some and not others. This site would be a couretesy if they accepted no advertising. However this site is no more a courtesy as your local TV station that provides programming for no charge to you while hoping you view so that they can charge advertisers.

In either case, burger king, tv station XYZ, or a radio talk show,or a profit seeking message board.....all in the same boat...are a businesses that require consumers to drive their success.

 

OK, Face, I come back from suspension. I post 10 posts on another topic(s).......and over a 3 day period make 4 posts on "DISCUSSION OF SUSPENSION LIST" with above....all in exchange with someone else so I am not force feeding my views....there is a give and take. If no one responds to me....I dont contiunue. But I had a response ans I gave a response in return.

Except I am on the wrong side of the issue it seems. And that is something that I have pointed out about others. Before the thread "Wov is dying" I think started by 2F...was closed....someone stated that there is differing punishment based on political views....so it seems this perception is not as crazy as one would think.

A mod or manboy could have responded. Could have put me in my place with a cogent rebuttal. Or even...a "ok enough on this topic" warning.
However there was an itchy trigger finger, and my time on wov would have been cut short if not that day but very soon thereafter.Its like the manboy was just waiting for an excuse...and he found an excuse.....the excuse is that I was banned because "we all know why".

There is nothing against the rules to put forth an idea that we are customers and should be treated with better customer service. Its on topic on a thread that talks about punishing customers. ONLY 4 posts on that topic got me banned

Yet I submit that I was banned because the point of view on treatment of wov customers was the antithesis of how people were being treated.
So instead of responding or addressing it....the answer was to punish....and send the message that this kind of talk will not be tolerated.

And as it turned out, as there was provable number member visit declines since then.......and as others started to complain, and as others came here to give some credibility to the commentary.......change actually occured.

Heck, mission came here, and when asked the same pointed questions did say that he doesnt agree with xyz.....but he is just a cop and not a legislator. Face you yourself have admitted you dont agree with all the rules, and dont even fullly enforce some rules such as the sockpuppet rule.

Yet when I was posting those 4 posts.....no mod came on and said....""some fair points but ,,,,,," or"some fair points maybe wizard can respond to you".
Or months before when BBB was asked why they dont do away with the suspension list...and her response was then the
"shaming factor" would go away........I respinded to tell her that she didnt have the power to inflict shame on me, and that the list doubles down on letting more people see the insult. The suspension list actually shows no interest in the feelings of the insulted party.
And although mods here have said yeah, I see your point......but never on wov..............

so of course the manboy thought his shit doesnt stink.....his mods sat quiet as he allowe drome to burn.(how is that for mixed metaphors)

But here the mods got pretty chatty.

I appreciate the input of Face....so I dont intend this to be a back an forth.......for more than a day.......after that I am happy to drop it. like I said ...this thread is not about me, and not about resolving a personal issue. There is no resolution.

but just admit it Face....when u look at the 4 posts that got me banned......there was clearly someone who wanted me banned the first day I got back and was just waiting for the right time. He was just premature in jumping in too soon. to the point where he couldnt point to a reason. Where it takes a mod 2 years later to "suppose" or enter a "theory" as to why. This is just another example of poor customer service.....to promise transparency to the neighborhood but reject it on a whim.

 

I was a bad fit, but obviously ahead of my time......as I did indirectly help get mods over here to pay attention by maintaining this thread. And change has been observed.

Heck before this thread got all the attention....when could beached whale be told to "stand down" and "back off" by 2 different people who see no retaliation
When would someone have the confidence to suggest on t he board that the manboy step down at least temporarily from punishment decisions.
When has it been seen that the suspension list of shame be so underused as multiple suspension have not appeared
When did it become ok to post a thread "wov is dying" and on top of that have a member in good standing declare that he sees uneven pubnishment based on politics....and no retaliation or punishment

So maybe a "bad fit" but definately looking back, a voice that others were too scared to use on their own....or even agree with...but later some with self respect demanded at least a small bit of respect by those in charge.

People stopped seeing themselves as "takers" as leeches that should be happy to be allowed to post.........and rather as contributors that help keep the board and advertising billings/percentage of the "take" going.

 

And yet....that's exactly what you have now done.

BTW LarryS, here is the shortened version of Fisk's explanation.....you were banned because you were a dick!

Ok Fisk....do me next (say to speak). I never "poked the dragon". Never had a bad thing to say about him until I came here (at his suggestion). Can you give me a explanation?

 

Who said I was responsible? I could give it a go though, I'm sure it won't bother you, you changed your number didn't you¿¿¿ Maybe somebody told me via a PM on another forum, who knows¿¿¿

BTW You're still lying, do you never stop¿ How's that Penny Ante shit going¿¿¿ <GRIN>


I have the distinct impression that manBoy specifically looks for victims (vulnerable souls), so he can manipulate them more easily.

 

oh really, after 2 months of nothing but me me me....you of all people are the arbiter that can state that my 3-4 posts even come close to your 100 or more posts.. No little man(?) you cant pull that off so fast. Just wait a few days and see if my promise not to turn this thread into a personal detailing of my last days on wov comes to pass. So far its only been 12 hours.....you are rather itching on the accusatory trigger finger. Sit back and see if I am so self absorbed that I would allow even a fraction of time you spent on you you you...to be my personal action plan.
I am in total control of this so you will look like a buffoon for speaking so soon.
When you see someone ramble on about themselves for 2 full months ..then you can use that line on them.......But as co founder of this thread I will continue not to make this thread about one person..so far less than one page of 164 is about me.
Lets see.....how many pages out of 164 is about you??? 50? 60?,,,,,I have alot of catching up to do to get even close to the narcissistic levels you are used to.
Other than that.............I can see your point

and name calling......"dick".......that is something that you think about too much.....way too much

 

YOU are going to talk about narcissistic levels? You have posted here over 2100 times in the last year (by far the leading poster). Although I really have no idea (nor wish to) with all these posters from other forums coming here to trash, you, I can only assume you post just as frequently on several other forums. So, that's rich LarryS. I guess when you aren't washing balls for a living you spend all your time posting.

But lets go over a couple facts related to my posting in this thread.

1.) I came to this site at the suggestion of the principal target of this thread, Shackleford. He informed me there was a whole site dedicated to attacking him. Turns out it was one thread (although the most active thread).

2.) So before I posted, I read through some of the thread. Not all of it but some of it. There were pages and pages discussing me and my situation as to my banning at WoV. Much of it posted by you! You had no problem holding me up as an example of someone who was mistreated, to make some of your goofy points about "bad customer service", but when I began posting and making my case of being mistreated, you get all bent out of shape.

3.) I announced my intentions when I came here. I specifically said I came to discuss my situation and treatment at WoV. THAT is why I came to a site with a long running, very active thread discussing WoV. So what exactly is your F-ing problem LarryS?

 

fuck, we are back to you you you again.........here we go