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No use arguing what you wrote Larry. Even if I wanted to, there's just no room. All you said about how it should be run from a business standpoint is spot on.

But I'll +1 KJ anyways. I, too, prefer this weird sort of uncertainty. I look at it like this...

The rules are just too simple. There are a few that one might understandably trip up on. The solicitation, the quoting entire documents, perhaps even the swearing, might not be readily apparent for first time posters. I don't see a problem there because we ALL give leeway to the newbies by informing them of the violation, explaining why, and directing them to the rules. Worst case, a curse is edited and omitted, or a 3 page article is culled and a link provided instead. Not a big deal no matter what type of business is running.

The real hang up, and I don't just mean of yours but of pretty much every single poster who's run into it, always has to do with personal behavior. And man... no matter how right you are, I just can't find it in me to care! It's just so bleeding simple - "Don't be a cunt". That's what it all boils down to. How fucking hard is that?

If you'd like to use colorful language as I do, there are nearly infinite sites for you to get your grime on. If you want to go toe to toe with another and really tear them down, you are spoiled for choice. You just can't do it there. How or why people fail to understand that boggles my mind.

And on the uncertainty, I think it's perfect. Working for .gov, we are never under an omnipresent eye as we're too big, but you ALWAYS have spot checks. Never know when, who, or how, you just know that at some when, Blue Eagle will be overhead watching you. I find the exact same to be true at WoV. Maybe you'll go on a sailor's tear and find it's me you have to deal with, and all that's gonna happen is a bit of talking and working things out. Or maybe you just call something "bullshit" and bangpow, Wiz rips off one from the hip before you can inhale. I would figure that uncertainty would keep one in check, just like at my job. Perhaps that's the antithesis of good business and more fit for a social club, but I quite like it. Sure beats a headsman leering over your shoulder watching your every move with his axe at the ready.

And what are 100% of the complaints? "So and so said something mean to me". Fuck out of my face with that bullshit lol. Believe it or not, people say mean things to me, too. Just last month someone implied I was a poor father and threatened to call the FBI on me. So the fuck what? Properly debate them, or properly ignore them. If you can't or won't, WoV ain't for you. It's not fucking rocket surgery. Christ.

Ahhh. That feels better =)

 

To me the "cunts" are the ones who act like 5th graders always "squealing" on others. Yes the "cunts" are the ones calling for the "banhammer". They eat it up....always looking for manboy's approval. Imagine having a pet name for screwing someone. Banhammer. Imagine running to mommy or daddy every time your feelings are hurt.

That's what I meant in a previous post when I said the caliber of poster has gone way down....or as the 5th graders would say waaaaaaaay down.

Is WOV a gambling forum or a kindergarten?

 

"Spiteful Slime" said the one with low opinion of herself. What value does one actually place on reading every thread, post, checking all IP's for 12 hours stints at a time, ZERO, Zada, $00.00 not only that, no longer for the benefit of the guru, rather maintaining a steady ship so Chan and Zuga can eat and sleep as they are accustomed.

"Spiteful Slime", back to her old raggardy self in the NTEK/NTGL thread, the recipient was sammydv (there's a place here for ya if the day ever comes). Face had a nibble, what needed to be said (if anything), only needed to be said ONCE, but nnnnoooooo, the fat cow couldn't contain herself, those sausage fingers were itching to get in on the act and she did, probably while filling her room with copious amounts of flatulence, due to her excitement at being able to release her true inner self for the first time in a long while, way to go Babs, let it rip, on the board I meant. ooh that smell...

It's interesting watching the dynamics at the site, Face does his bit to dampen it down, but sammydv ain't buying the put down and public admonishment, as he said, the rules at WoV aren't like any other forum. Because they were created by a narcissistic creepy control-freak of a person otherwise known as manBoy. It doesn't stop him from continuing to post.

Our own Mr V chimes in with support for sammy, then the "tub of lard" realizes the error of her way and starts grovelling like she is begging for more donuts, telling sammydv what a wonderful post he made. Rightfully so sammydv totally ignores her comment, emphasizing how insignificant she really fucking is. Now even arsey-roy meekly comes to sammy's defence, he doesn't say as much (he can't), but he is putting the fat one in her place.

Then WoN sensing all things aren't looking good for "Tubby lard", his potential feeder fantasy, attempts to chime in with some feeble backing, soon gets shot down and fucks off. Great dynamics, it also highlights, the real "bitter tubby lard" is still there. It is a bit like seeing a open box of donuts and trying to control yourself in not gorging the whole fucking box, terribly frustrating it must be.

 

You have some life- why don't you go get your teeth fixed instead of spending Time giving everyone a play by play

 

Face
Progressive businesses have gone away from the egocentric"treat customers as you would want to be treated" and replaced it with"treat customers as they would like to be treated"
I hear alot of "I LIKE THIS OR i LIKE THAT" in your post above
But what do the customers think? Well a significant amount of members have decided to go away. If member visit numbers had been exponentially increasing over they last many months....My comments would be hollow....and the hundreds of pages on "discussion of the suspension list" would be ignorable. This thread would be un-needed.

But instead we have one person get suspended for calling some "a genius" sarcastically...and then we have Alan M being called mentally ill with no suspension. And you think this isnt frustrating for the person who was suspended for using the word "genius"????
Maybe from the vantage point of someone watching.....its "cool", But from the vantage point of the suspended person....its not that "cool".
And that person may just leave because of that inconsistency....and who would blame them.

From the vantage point of the people who were part of the wizards "suspension spree" to sooth his bad moods....its not "cool" But from someone sitting on the sidelines...maybe they get joy and smile to themselves and joke"I guess the wiz is in a bad mood....this is so cool to see others punished". I guess people enjoy it. But there are always going to be a subset of people who dont enjoy it.,,including the punished parties.

I know there are people at wov that enjoy seeing people punished. And even more so enjoy seeing punishment after they complain. They feel part of the feel good aspect of punishing that the wiz must feel. Face, the folks that complain to you, crying that they were insulted love to see that complaint result in a punishment....and some mods are quick to jump to satisfy that craving.Enablers to the behavior.

So you have the wiz that will punish as a salve for his hurting psyche, there are mods that will jump when others say "insult" and there is you who doesnt fall for the cry babies and rather see lively debate break out rather than punishment applied.

You say this is cool. I guess we differ on this one. I agree 100 percent in your philosophy as a mod.....but I dont agree that4 different philosophies and applications of the written and unwritten rules makes people feel "cool". happy, safe, calm,. It just puts people on edge.Makes them walk on eggshells.Makes them leave Its not a welcoming environment with such uncertainty of punishment.

Feeling uncertain, unsafe, nervous, is great for some businesses.....like maybe the haunted houses where you pay to go in and get the shit scared out of you...or some zombie house attraction. Maybe a drive through jungle habitat.Maybe your dentists office.Or walking the streets of panama city with strangers you just met in a casino.

But for a gambling message board??? Not so much

When I think of a message board...I think of something that should be welcoming, fun, with lively adult conversation. I dont think about being a viictim of a "gotcha" suspension because of the time of day and the mod shift I happen to be posting in. Its not a "cool" welcoming environment where RonC states, people of some political beliefs gets better treatment as far as punishment or lack thereof.

And then there are the unwritten rules that pop up as you go along. Welshing on a bet, being on the wrong side of math/wiz.,

 

I found it fucking hilarious, that many who chastised and called for banning, now have been nuked themselves.

Anal rules, fewer members, fewer posts, less traffic, equals fewer streaks, caviar and fine wine for Joshua and Zuga. Meanwhile Tubby lard does her bit to fuck their lifestyle up while nibbling crumbs from an empty donuts box.

Unless somebody indulges in the immortal sin and is off the Richter scale, then leave those two rich fellas to their fancy lifestyle, they paid $2.3 million for the two sites. One would imagine they do want to milk both sites for all they are worth, while you others enjoy collecting yer monthly pay checks. They want manboy for game analysis, not his McNuggest, weight loss, "what is a hand job" threads. Premier gambling Math site my ARSE.

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The Big EZ. I'm having a night off from going to the casino, as last night was a tad arduous. So I'm at a loss at the mo, I might book you a few more test drives, is that alright fella.

 

So Face.....dont you see a real reason BBB should recuse herself from thatthread....just like she did from the Hotblond thread.

she cannot effectively moderate a topic that she has a bias and vested interest in. The vested interest is keeping her firends that she wants to protect....friends who are probably asking her to do something.

Shouldnt a mod state that they dont agree with thecommentary, however respects the right to post on the topic, and therefore since she has a conflict of interest, she will not participate.

Isnt that the right thing to do....rather than resort to name calling(i know name calling of the content and not the poster)..rather than trying to be the arbiter of when enough is enough .

 

jk
I tried to pm you but you have it turned off.....so I will ask here.

what do the cards at the end of your posts mean???

 

I'd agree with an asterisk. I don't consider every advisement to be squealing. We have all flat out said "If there's an infraction, reach out to us". We're simply not omnipresent, and we want our members to be heard and have faith that appropriate actions are taken. That's the goal, anyways. So having someone point out publicly, or PM privately, that an insult was levied upon them is quite often completely justifiable and, speaking for myself, totally appreciated. Perhaps that encourages a "squealing" atmosphere. I dunno, but I'd rather deal with that than have folks feeling abandoned and defenseless.

But while there's a big grey area that depends on quite a bit of judgement, there are of course the outliers that on the good hand absolutely should have been reported, and on the bad hand are just the pettiest, whinging, cry fest boo hoo bullshit I can't believe someone would lower themselves to post. For sure. And no, I don't respect that any more than you do. But, as I hope you can appreciate, I still TRY to appease them in some way. That's one of my more difficult attempts at objectivity. Ain't my style, but as Larry is wont to say, it ain't about me. I still gotta try, even if I disagree. The good of the forum includes the good of the whiners /shrug

Absolutely fascinating, no matter the site. Anywhere has its quirks and I can't stop watching. But anyway, sammydv is a real good example of the perfect way to act, IMO. He met challenge with confidence, never broke stride, and exercised understanding and willingness to conform without a hint of confrontation. Perfectly steadfast and steered a likely row right back into productive conversation. A+.

Bit of a mixed bag, here.

Some (I would classify as "little, but certainly "some") of the inconsistencies are a result of the very thing you champion - change. Though this may now by ground zero for WoV bashing, the members have oft been vocal about rules, treatment, punishments, etc. In fact, the very reason we have rules is due to said changes. When I came there were but 5, and 2 or 3 had to do with legal (plagiarism, copyright). Additionally, historically the site sort of ebbs and flows. There will be periods of complete calm. Then maybe a spark flames up. A few people spread contempt and before you know it, the whole atmosphere has changed. Debates more quickly devolve into bullshit, and for no other reason that momentum. For sure, even I ebb and flow with it, being more likely to wield the ban hammer because I feel it's necessary based on conditions. It's much the same as real life. Certain roads have more police presence, certain zip codes have higher insurance rates, things have to change to conform to prevailing trends.

And there have been actions that all of us regret. Some bannings came too hastily, some irritants allowed to linger too long. These incidents especially draw criticism, and from more than RonC and 1BB. In these cases, the SOP is seriously looked at and changes almost always result. As a result, you can go back and see some mild snark result in a week off, while today someone asked someone wtf their problem is and get nary a warning. It's change, and both that I've supplied strike me as "good".

Some of the other inconsistencies you mentioned, sure. Bad for business.

I'm sorry for the I-I-I, but really, I dunno what else to do. I've spent considerable time thinking about that, you know. Many hours of work with mind on the difference between "treat as I" and "treat as they". And... I just can't say I know how to do that.

You claim to "treat as they" because others may not hold my values or concerns. Understandable, and I can agree. But if theirs are different, how am I to know they're different, or especially, how am I to know what specifically theirs are?

That's a nut I can't crack. Best I've been able to do is revert to default. There are some values I hold where I'm relatively sure they're universal. Something like removing sunglasses when I speak to a customer, assuming we're outside and it's sunny. But there are others I'm pretty sure I can identify as 50/50. For instance, I'm not social. When dealing with public servants, I expect eye contact, a simple greeting, a direct request, a simple goodbye. I can see that some might find that rude, so I revert to default. I can run my route and greet everyone with a smile and a "Howdy", and leave myself open to be drawn into whatever exchange they wish. Even the miserable banalities like "Hot enough for ya?" as if the motherfucker doesn't know it's 120 goddamn degrees in here and I'm very near a critical situation. In that regard, I can SORT OF "treat as they".

But what you're asking? I don't know how to do that. I'm not sure I even understand how that's possible =/

 

yeah I totally see what you are saying..................................not

 

From a personal standpoint, I hate it. DEAL with it. Use your brain, form an argument, and challenge the man. Find a way to get on top properly. Find the answer from within yourself. That's my personal view.

The second is professional. It's not about me-me-me, Larry I cannot grow balls for someone, cannot impart critical thinking, cannot form intelligent debate. The position I hold means I have to do what it entails, even when it means doing something I dislike. Shit, I'd prefer all my wingers to learn how to take a fucking hit and not be so goddamn fancy all the time. But regardless of my views, when they get fucked with, I gotta step in. It's my job. And I don't get paid for that one, either XD

 

thanks for the thoughtful response as usual.

I think the way you treat people and handle the job is reasonable and outside the crybabies that enjoy a good suspension...most would agree with you on your philosophy of punishment as a last resort.

But your I I I I really enjoy the atmosphere of uncertainty......is where I get off at the first bustop.

That is a quirky enjoyment of you you you......and please dont ever think that the majority thinks that way. Sometimes you have to recognize that a certain "like" of yours is not held by the masses.

I gave this example before. I am in retail. But when I am off duty, and I walk into lets say Home Depot.....I hate where people ask if they can help me as I walk in the store, or walk down Isles. I just want to find things on my own. Leave me alone. I will be just fine. If I want help I will kindly ask for it. Maybe its a "man thing" like not asking for directions.
BUT in the establishment where I have worked wherever it is....over the last 30 something years....if I am walking down an aisle, and I pass someone, I will ask if I can help them find something. Even though I I I dont like that behavior directed at me in my off duty hours. I realize that this "like" of mine(the 'like" to be left alone) is not the cup if tea for the majority and I dont expect the majority to "like" what I"LIKE".

same with your "like" of the uncertainty" of a board with different, people with diverse views on how the job is done.... administering punishment against a wide variety of severity of infractions inconsistently. THAT is equivalent of me thinking just because I like to be ignored in a retail store..I should treat others like that as well.

 

For fun Baccarat scores, natural 9's, 9-8 wins, 1 - Baccara wins.

 

Huh? Misses Attila the Hun is, she reads every single post, cross checking every IP until she can no longer stay awake. Tubby goes looking for it, choosing to ignore, if it doesn't suit her personal agenda.

Yeah I would believe that if I wasn't nuked due for eventually responding to constant harassment from the ISIS loving cunt DMSCR.

The comment Spiteful Slime should never have been thrown at him by a mod, I envisage a suspension if it was the other way around, fat bitch. yet that is what the eternal menopausal Tubby Lard is like

Which makes it difficult for everybody, from fellow mods, board members to the owners. Maybe they don't want to give her the big heave ho (and it would be a fucking big heave ho) tell her to go find a life, not wanting to upset manboy. Early days yet, let's see if the internet traffic drops further, few more female sexist putdown from the manager, outburst from Tubby lard, who knows what the landscape might look like in 12 months, maybe they will clear to decks, pull the plug due to the amount of flack they get from a few sites, some find even find some pride and dignity.

 

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This can be frustrating as hell if you are betting on the BANK (left side), Player is showing 7, the Bank has a 4 side and 3 side card. So you squeeze to look determine how many pips are along the side while masking the number with your fingers

The 3 side can be either a 6, 7 or 8, to see if there is a pip, which there is, so it is either a 7 or 8. You don't look at the entire card, rather start rolling the 4 side, hoping it is a 10, so the worst you can possibly do is push, at best win, it's a bloody 9. Now you go back to the 3 side, flip it over, shit. Frustrating to lose on hands like this, because a 7-6, 4 card craw results in no more cards being drawn. Depending on the joint, you either swear in English or another language you may have picked up, such as Cantonese for example POKI.

Those of us whom are at the coalface risking significant amounts of cash, will utter expletives, but must not do the same on a gambling forum when addressing some booze who maybe doesn't even play. Which makes GG and GF more realistic boards.

 

of course she shouldnt treat customers like this, But its repeated behavior. She recently called a well thought out comment by MRV......"garbage".

Like I SAID....I notice real change over there from all parties involved....the only hold out is her...and she proves it daily

 

I hope you're not taking it as if I sit giddy with nervous excitement watching everyone bumble around in uncertainty; I'm very rarely impish. But c'mon, you KNOW there are not few folks who get off on the game. Guys who for whatever reason want to stand right on that line. It's not even all that sequestered into a "type". Sometimes you're just passionate and incensed enough to come right up to that line.

We aim to steer away from that. Wiz started by sort of identifying the line, but it's always been just a bit fuzzy. I "enjoy it", better said "I like it", because you would think people would make a point to steer even more clear, and even those who like "the game" would have to err on the side of caution, lest they embarrass themselves.

I have stated as much in public (years ago) and I had several in agreement then, including, apparently, KJ now. It just makes sense. Because what's the downside? It comes down to one - people sometimes get dinged because they went too far. I mean, when I boil it down, that's what I see as the base of it all. And am I to be worried about grown folks who can't find it within themselves to do something as simple as conduct themselves with decorum?

I can't do it. I can be sorry about it, and I often am, genuinely. Hell, we could've been having all this fun for the last two years, if not for it. But I can't say I'm all that against it, or that I don't "enjoy it". I just think it works.

 

Some people enjoy cowbrains.........but if you invite me over for a barbecue......please dont be sauteing cowbrains on the grill.