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LOL! Blackhole you got yourself on the Wizard's shitlist! You are lucky your name isn't in red this morning but I guess you don't give a shit....which is commendable. I personally don't think Shack was close to being broke. If that's his house on google maps this he isn't exactly living in the ghetto, and his kids have always gone to private school.

Is he a FAILED AP? No, I don't think so. I just think he failed TO AP. In other words, he spent so much time building his site that he wasn't out there in the trenches like he could have been.

If any of you are in a place where you can bet half point parlay cards then you should be on top of the Half Point Parlay Cards thread. Shack has been giving up information on how to beat these cards for a few years now. You d

 

Excellent explanation and 100% factual. What really upsets misfit manboy are the facts. To borrow a movie line - "He can't handle the truth". Never could. The cult leader, Sun Myung Shackleford, uses threats and intimidation to keep his members in line. And just look at how brainwashed the 2 big mods and some members are.

Always the threat of a ban. When someone dares to disagree or stand up to him, that person becomes a marked man. This has played out over and over. Like most DICKtators, manboy is a paranoid, insecure narcissist and that's all they know.

WOV is dying. Years ago it had respect...now it's a laughingstock with it's petty little mods driving it into the ground. Years back it was the go to site for many. The information was always out there but WOV was able to consolidate it in an easy to navigate way. No more.

Zuga? He's a bit of a mystery. Is he the spineless moron that some think he is allowing manboy and the Beached whale to walk all over him? Or is he the clever businessman who realizes that, in the big picture, WOV doesn't mean squat? That would explain his lack of participation in anything but online casinos. Maybe he doesn't care about the worthless forum. Maybe he's willing to let the fools in charge continue down the path of destruction.

As a 10% owner he stays in the background, most likely laughing at the fools who do all the work while he enjoys all the profits. The only time he ever deviated from his focus was to ban Buzzard and that turned the mods against him. In open defiance they, to this day, allow Buzzard to post at will.

I'm leaning toward clever businessman. It takes a special talent to get others to do your work for you. And, after all, the LCB website is now boasting 88,358 members and growing. Kind of dwarfs WOV doesn't it?

 

I don't believe that Derbyshire address is the only property manboy owns. I won't post what I found but I will direct interested parties to look up Clark County Property Records. It's all there and it's all public information. You know...transparency. The results may surprise you.

 

Regardless, whatever the reason for the tin cup making an appearance, it made one. So, he obviously is not an AP’er or certainly wasn’t any good at it.

That makes these comments by him a lie.

“To fast forward to today, I count six of your books on my shelf and two pieces of software. My own advantage play career, and it is a stretch to call it a "career" in my case, was largely following your footsteps. From blackjack, to video poker, to tournament, to sports betting, you blazed the trail for me at every step. So, thank you for being an inspiration to me. Had it not been for you, I probably would have never became so mixed up in the world of gambling, which has served me very well.”

Not just a lie, a complete misleading lying promotion.

If the online casino site didn't bail him out, he might have sued Wong for inspiring him to get so mixed up in the world of gambling.

Compulsive gamblers are compulsive liars.

 

He was close enough to being broke as to be unable to maintain his current lifestyle, i.e keeping that particular roof over his head (I'm sure he said as much when begging on his forum).

Yes he is, I've exchanged a few emails with him, he has utmost faith in the current WoV regime.

It also helps if your own life isn't exactly sweet, you're maybe vulnerable and buy in to the bullshit, all for the sake of becoming a moderator on an internet web-site. Yep I can see that is worth selling out for.

 

Just in case I'm the only one here positioned to comment on this, I want to say something about what Blackhole said above.

John Ferguson (Wong) is not exactly a feared figure in sports betting. He's not really a figure at all, so to quote him as some kind of mentor is very strange.

It's been my experience that where gifted people fail in gambling is trying to be good at more than the one thing they do best. The idea that someone is expert at blackjack, video poker, and (LOL) "sports betting" is semi-absurd. The phrase "sports betting" is itself a giveaway. People are rarely expert at more than one or two things. The idea that, just because someone has a Ph.D. in math, they can apply their expertise to not only multiple sports but multiple endeavors, is flat-out stupid. It's like asking a doctor to be a neurosurgeon, an infectious disease specialist, and a podiatrist.

If this were the case, casinos and sports books should be quaking in fear. Do you know how many people have math doctorates in this country?

 

Stanford Wong published Professional Video Poker in 1991. At the time there just wasn't any information available on exploiting video poker progressives so Stanford was the first to publish on it. The book is about the 8/5 Jacks progressives with 2% and 3% meters that were so prevalent in those days. Those progressives were in every casino, bar and even supermarkets in Las Vegas.

More than one team was formed because of Stanford's work. But the eventual result was that those strong progessives eventually went extinct because of the AP play.

 

BH, this is a LarryS tactic. Create a false premise then run with it. What evidence do you have that he was flat broke? Not speculation, evidence. Accepting donations for ones work is not evidence that one is flat broke.

 

According to Michael Bluejay WOO/Wov made a lot of money for several years. Then a cash flow problem hit when the Bank of Cypress confiscated funds. Then Shack sold for 2.4 million. If that is failure then I want to be a failure.

 

BH, I guess you ignored this sentence in the above quote "My own advantage play career, and it is a stretch to call it a 'career' in my case...." So what is Shack lying about? You and LarryS need to sharpen up your reading comprehension skills. LMAO!

 

Blackhole,

It finally dawned on me, in combination with some other posts, that I don't state what is obvious to me since I'm "in the milieu," because I assume it's obvious to everyone else. And it evidently isn't obvious to everyone else, so I'll state it clearly here.

Now, first of all, this isn't really a defense of Shackleford so much as a simple statement of logic. I don't really think a tremendous deal of Shackleford.

Here it is:

It's probably unfair and more importantly, incorrect, to knock someone who claims to be an AP based on some measure of overall financial success. This isn't about me not buying into consumerism as demonstrating expertise. That's a topic for another day.

Why I think it's not correct is that, as I've mentioned in other threads, many expert gamblers make the mistake of extending beyond their fields of expertise. They get hooked on other forms of "action," be that action negative expectation gambling (TJ Cloutier, Phil Ivey), sex (maybe, perhaps Shackleford), drugs (Ungar), and so on. They can't say no to stimulation, and that's what puts them in a financial hole. So, for example, a supposed "AP" may indeed be expert and winning lifetime at a particular game and be the greatest of all time (like Ungar), but other forces have caused him to break out the tin cup.

So, in summary, you can't really judge an AP, or anyone, on their expertise based on their current financial situation and thereby call them a fraud regarding their AP abilities. Financial "success" doesn't correlate very much with AP ability.

For one example, Billy Walters employs roundtables of sometimes youngish semi-savants to provide power ratings for various sports. He doesn't necessarily pay them very well, and that's an understatement. The expertise lies with the youngsters, but nobody would know that based on their "success" -- aka consumerism.

 

http://wizardofvegas.com/forum/info/announcements/18497-donate-option-save-the-wizard-sites/
Funny going back and reading that thread 3 years later. BeechedWhale not only works for free, but pays to have a job, as she likes to call it. How Many said he wouldn't, somebody offered to donate $1k, somebody asked how much does he need period.

manboy must have been feeling the heat, "I don't want to be too obnoxious about donations, like NPR is at fund raising time. However, I can see that maybe I should be a little more forceful about it". Presumably he would have exploded had he got nothing.


manboy, "I'll take that, that and that, gladly accept that, yes I'll take that as well".

Mrs manBoy "What about sending thank you's to those that have donated"

manboy, "don't worry about that, they won't mind, I'm a Wizard aren't I"

Mrs manboy, "What about the talks with that Australian guy"

manboy, "no need to mention that, we will keep quiet about it. Excuse me I have to pop out for a few hours, looks like a happy ending after all".

When you see the pleading, the response from good spirited board members more than willing to help out, meanwhile little did they know. The narcissistic, self-centred, egghead nerd was playing everybody.

 

In his tin cup thread there was post asking if the request for donations was for the sake of room and board for his family since that would change everything. He responded with a yes it does.

That reply has since been edited and changed to read something only about it being for the site. I looked through a bunch of pages and didn't find it yet again. Does anyone know how to go back in internet time and read what was actually there? I know that was being done somehow when online casinos change the rules to confiscate winnings.

 

Why not ask him on his fb page. All he does is post ugly selfies which covers 100% of his fb. That is a classic narcissistic personality disorder coupled with what looks like weak self conscience and self respect issues. No wonder he was a good friend of d. foley. They're soul mates.
I don't think he's making out alright. He's set up for a massive bout of depression that could find him under a train somewhere in the desert.
but that just my opinion.

 

Seems I was the "ONLY" WoV forum member that didn't donate, and had the balls to say so.

 

No, it doesn't "seem" that way at all, at least not to me.

I gave Mike nada; I posted my concerns / unhappiness about him waving a tin cup on the eve of a multi-million dollar sale of WoO / WoV.

So no, you weren't alone in not donating.

I don't give to the homeless; why the hell would I give to a guy who lives in a posh Las Vegas development who cried the blues because his offshore bank account in Cyprus got seized?

Memo to Wiz: when you dance with the devil, sometimes you get stuck in the ass with his pitchfork.

 

Anyone wonder why the complete company at the time was banking in cypress in the first place?

 

Circumventing US banks who are not allowed to accept payments from offshore online gambling sites.

 

Hiding money from the Mrs? Money needed for all his travels "researching" prostitution. Always traveling alone. I guess three's a crowd for that type of research. Everyone get your minds out of the gutter. He hires them as *cough* guides. And...they get free copy of his book.

 

The wayback machine might have a copy, https://archive.org/web/

Noticed that, I did laugh when I read that, never know manboy had a book, which you said you had.