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Discussion in 'Miscellaneous Gambling Forum' started by LovePotion9, Sep 5, 2015.

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  1. KewlJ

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    Thank you for the kind words Ozzy. "Tell it straight" is a fine compliment, because that is what I really try to do. I am not a math type guy that others can benefit from by my math knowledge, nor do I engage in any kind of ground breaking stuff. I make a living by the most elementary AP method probably. All I ever wanted to do was share some of my experiences because some members of the early sites I was on did that for me.

    So I have tried to share my experiences as honestly as possible. The good and the bad. The ups and downs. The frustrations as well as the triumphs. (about a month a go, I touched the million dollar mark in career earnings. That was my last all-time high and I have now fallen almost 40 grand below that mark, which is a little frustrating). I appreciate that some of that has come through. And I consider my name mentioned with the other three members an honor. These are all guys who I both like and respect. So again, thank you. My only problem with Mickey is that he is so shy, I am always wondering just what he really means or thinks. :D

    Now to this Detroit ghetto trash. Because IBYA lives in or near Detroit, does than mean that you are NOT Ghetto trash? I mean I live in Vegas, but that doesn't mean that Axel and RS aren't Vegas trash. :p I mean, I just assumed everyone in Detroit was trash. :p
     
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  2. Exoter175

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    What do you have to guard yourself against Mickey? How many times do I need to tell you how much I respect you for being one of the originals, and that I want to meet you if only to hear your stories? The only problem I have with you, is your own attitude when you decided to call me a Phony out of NOWHERE. I challenged your ruling of "phony" by explaining that I know more about the current state of machine plays than you do, which happens to be your realm of AP, and thus, made me NOT a phony.

    Don't take it personal, Mickey, you're more than welcome to apologize for calling me a phony, I won't think less of you whether you call me a phony or not, but I'd sure think more of you if you cleared your glasses off and looked at what I wrote while checking your ego at the door. You're going to find that I didn't say anything untrue or out of line, I just criticized you for making things public that shouldn't be, like Axel has suggested over the years.

    All you're going to see over there is a lot of discussion about the prospects of X vulturing, me agreeing with Axel that some of these plays people are posting about, most commonly by Mickey, don't need to be public, and then my DI discussions with Alan and company. There was also that bit that I wrote about a very specific machine (someone else's post that I added to) that RichiePShark posted about here, where I stayed as vague as possible to explain the various mechanics about a specific game and why it worked, without spoiling or giving out exactly what it was. To this date, probably the most in-depth look at a specific and current machine, that ranks int he top 3 of all "current" machine plays, without actually giving away exactly what machine it was on a public forum, so that nobody from the dark side could narrow it down.

    I'm going to be honest, I'm fairly sure I met IBYA in either Wisconsin or Michigan this year, and if I did, he'd remember the sit down I had with him after watching him work for a while, obliviously, just as Tringlomane did in STL a year or two ago. I didn't go into Greek Town or anything, didn't step foot in Detroit if I"m honest, heard far too many stories from guys who aren't allowed back in that area. Matter of fact, if any of you are vultures in Detroit, and have been for a long time, you probably know the guys I'm talking about, as they made their ways Southwest.

    Having said all of that, if IBYA is the one I ran into (after I was banned from WoV), I wouldn't say his stories were all THAT farfetched, just embellished a bit. I wouldn't call him a consummate professional like myself, since he was diving between machines for plays, rather than waiting out the regulars, and he was so very obviously nervous and twitchy about everything, that he was a DEAD giveaway when I walked through the door with my partner, and I went looking for the "Hustlers" while my partner went looking for the plays. Guy stuck out like a sore thumb.
     
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  3. AxelWolf

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    All you all be crazy!
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    Exitotor I can't remember exactly what you said at WOV, but I too kinda remember you saying some distasteful things and you made some suspicious claims. Perhaps it's not what you said but how you said it.

    Not even sure why I'm replying because I don't really care about the hustle game. I don't want to work lot's of long and hard day's.

    You mentioned something about not liking variance, and that's fine, I don't really like it that much either, but I cant pass up something that's super juicy.

    Since you been making as much as you insinuate then how could one pass up stuff that's super good, especially if it's actually not that risky and it has a significant advantage. Even if you were to take a hit since you claim to have the ability to hustle grind it back quickly there shouldn't be a problem. Especially since you have this team that your talking about. Spreading out the risk and adding many additional machines would seriously quale the risk factor. let's not forget how young and modavated you are. You should be blowing up the AP world.

    I'm not talking about small percentages here I'm talking well over 3, 4, 5 % up to 40%.

    It's just puzzling to me how you claim to have all this machine knowledge, travel and yet I haven't seen you on any significant juciy, plays around the US. I would think the next logical step would be to advance your play(s) to the next level.
     
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  4. Junket King

    Junket King Well-Known Member Compulsive Liar

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    He's not shy at all, he did post a picture of himself on this forum, he's also not quite either. .
     
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  5. Exoter175

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    Where are you getting this idea that I'm giving up anything Juicy? In the other thread Mickey is attacking me for being "tight" in terms of clinging to higher percentages, and here you're accusing me of not taking them.

    Would you two make up your minds already? Or perhaps just listen to what I actually say, rather than what you interpret from them? If I have so much as a 1% advantage, I take it, no doubt, every time. What Mickey describes is him perceiving an advantage that isn't there, where I KNOW better than he because I have far more experience on some machines than he does.

    In regards to you, Axel, I generally don't visit the coasts all that often like you do, because of heat. But you bet your ass I"m all over juicy plays between the coasts, but I don't know EVERY play, now do I? Just like YOU don't know every play.

    Its for that reason that I reached out to you in the first place, because I got he feeling you were on different plays than I was, and that you might have scouting information that I could use, that wouldn't put us in direct competition.

    Of course, lets be honest here, you're mainly on that "round the clock progressive" killing of uncapped progressives, and that isn't my game, and you know exactly why, so does Mickey.
     
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  6. AxelWolf

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    I don't know much about IBYA or what he does, I thought it was BJ mostly. He seems guarded for one reason or another, perhaps he's a loaner. I don't ever see him saying anything out of line.
     
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  7. Ozzy

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    I have no real problem with the Detroit ghetto trash part,it's the source who's spouting it where the problem is.Im not the one who constantly talks about Detroit and the state of Michigan.(IBYA,JBS,JBJB)Anyone who follows all three sites on a semi regular bases,can easily distinguish who IBYA really is.He should really invite his Buttboy,Linkboy,Coilman his Canadian alliance,who is obsessed with Windsor,just as much as IBYA is with Detroit.Someone who talks about Michigan and Detroit as much as he does(at least weekly, oftentimes more)should wear that badge of honor aswell:D
     
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  8. Ozzy

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    Great post that's a very good read,he has some AP knowledge,but is Very obvious and exaggerates a Shit ton. I'm sure he's the one you seen, I know I've seen him many times.Im quite sure he doesn't travel with his TEAM,quite as much as he says he does.(IBYA,JBS,JBJB)
     
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  9. AxelWolf

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    LOL the last time I played a progressive was many month's ago, that was just for he hell of it (DJATC posted a picture of it) and I had not played one prior to that for well over a year, and I only played that because it actually had a messed up 10% multi way meter and it was positive even at reset. I had action on a few others but not many. I don't think you actually realize what's going on around you in the AP world. I think we are worlds apart. We mise well be comparing Texas Holdem to Slots.
     
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  10. Exoter175

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    I'm aware of that progressive Axel, I could tell you the machine its on and where most of them are located, but what I was talking about was something different, considering the last time I mentioned something to you, was probably a year ago. I believe you were on some long-term +EV progressive that required the assistant of a team you didn't have put together yet, and you called around to guys I know, and posted about it on the forum, hell, I might have even replied to it.

    I think its safe to say everyone in the AP world doesn't realize everything that's going on around them because WE (not Mickey) don't exactly advertise everything at once the second we find it. I found something in July in Biloxi that has spread like wildfire across the states in the last 6 months that is a monumental, mammoth AP machine hustle, and while its fairly obvious to notice as a hustler, its incredibly complex to work out the strategy. I've got it figured out, betcha Mickey doesn't have a clue what it is, bet you might have seen it as much as you travel, but might not know.

    You keep talking about being on the "next level" Axel, but everything I've ever seen you comment about, has been stuff in my repertoire. I'm waiting for the day you slip one past me that I don't know, but I doubt if you had one you'd throw it my way. I just know you're a guy who has no problem taking down uncapped progressives on VP and Slots, as long as its in the +EV, and I'm, for the most part, against taking "slight" advantage plays without a foreseeable end to them, in large part due to my comp hustling, requiring me to be in constant motion around the country to pickup freeplay, thus the 51k miles I logged in 12.5 months.
     
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  11. Ozzy

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    There was one main stretch in particular,about 6 months ago or so,where he was pulling royals and deuces out of his ass.I realize people can get lucky,variance can be a wild ride,but his claims were completely ridiculous.He had several photos of royals and deuces that wasn't the problem,it was the fact that he claimed to have gotten them all(dozen or so of each) with only a few hundred hands in total within a short span.RS(AP with integrity) even called him on it a couple times,asking him if he lived at the casino(Greektown)IBYA response was no,just playing a few hands in between table plays or vulturing.Those my friends are stories in the MENDELSON league.
     
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  12. Exoter175

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    Difference being, I found this forum through Reddit, talking about a thread Turbo started about Roulette, and then later found out Mickey was giving away plays again, and found a guy named Richie who I thought might be the guy I was trying to get a hold of.

    I didn't come here to masturbate on a slot machine, I came here for the popcorn and the conversation.
     
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  13. AxelWolf

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    You don't believe his son hit 5 single line Royals in one day and still lost? Or 18 yo's in a row and no one bet it? HOW DARE YOU NOT BELIEVE THE MOST SIGNIFICANT EVENT IN THE HISTORY OF GAMBLING.

    Alan has, exaggerate to prove a point syndrome. If you notice all his stories are to prove some point. i.e you can hit Royals and still lose because my son hit 5 in one day on single line and still lost. 18 yo's had something to do with DI and the fact that random rollers can get lucky.
     
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  14. Exoter175

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    So, over here on this forum when people say "MENDELSON", they are referring to Alan? Interesting, I hadn't put those two together just yet (still very new here and reading).
     
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    Just for the record, guys, I hit three single line royals one day in the span of 600 hands or so. It's a bizarro story highlighting my stupidity as I played one coin for two of them. Yeah, hard to believe. But, unfortunately, true.
     
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  16. AxelWolf

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    If by slots you mean reel/video slots? I don't consider myself a slot or Video poker AP just an AP. I have AP'ed everything imaginable Roulette,BJ, slots, VP,keno other various table games sports, poker, bingo etc.

    Reel/video slots are not easy to find 99% of the slots are -EV on their own. There's various bonus banking/accumulator slots. They come up with new shit all the time. There's the well known must hit progressives. There's promotions that turn -EV particular slots into positive ones. There's progressives that become positive. There's various other methods available.
     
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  17. nate

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    Somethings weird with my settings so screwed up some posts...I went to http://wizardofmacau.com
    and couldn't play the free demo games like I can at wov. Does one have to be longed in?
     
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  18. LarryS

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    your lack of logic still betrays you
    I told a story of a boxer whos name I couldnt recall from the news story...that put a million dollars down on the superbowl or some such event 3 years ago.

    It was you that made the ASS-umption that I never hear of FM.

    In reality I heard of him, but know very little about him. I know very little about boxing. I never bet on it.

    So the fact that his name didnt flow out of my brain when I posted that comment is not unusual. He is meaningless in my life...and the thrust of my post was that alot of money was coming on a specific team. It wasnt abouthow stupid I though a person was for betting 1 million..or how smart I thought he was. It was all about money flowing in on one team.It wasnt about the person.

    So your logic failed you. And I know its hard to get through life successfully without it...but thats your problem...not mine.

    I am a fan of rock and folk music. I couldnt tell you who the top mariachi band is in the world. Boxing is a bottom tier sport. Not even in the top 10.

    I am only interested in sports that I bet on. And only on teams weekly that I bet on. I have no fave team...but for damn sure I know who is listed to play on my teams...at least the players I feel will make a difference.

    The only soccer player I can name off the top of my head is Pele. And he hasnt played for 25 years or so.

    So you can be your usual illogical pompous ass and harp on your man-crush on Mayweather.

    He is a woman and child abuser......and thats about all I know about him......but I did hear of him. And the fact that his name isnt at the forefront of my mind....is not shocking.
    And if I took 30 seconds in the middle of posting and googled "boxer bets a million on superbowl" then you would have had nothing to illogically cry about....and to me he STILL would have been a woman and child abuser...and nothing more.
     
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  19. AxelWolf

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    Yes Larry I know how it went down and I already stated that you obviously knew who he was and what I thought you meant. It was more like who cares comment. You went along with the theme IIRC. That wasn't my point.

    So you are a winning sports better? Are you a winning poker player?
     
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  20. Ozzy

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    Your exactly right Axel,he's never wrong and is the polar opposite of AP.His claims are the most far fetched,absurd claims on any gambling forum.Even more far fetched then SINGER(JERRY LOGAN)but at least he's hilarious.Singer and Druff are the only reasons I read that forum.
     
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