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How do you know she didn't rummage through a dumpster somewhere for a few used condoms, transfer the contents into a turkey baster and shoot it into one of the fat rolls in the vicinity of her rotting minge? Do it enough times and some of the man gravy is bound to hit the right spot.

 

Yeah, sure. I'll name that play when you can name even one of over a dozen plays I've never written about and you know nothing about.

I'm breaking down the Wild Mermaid play quite nicely and will be putting the information online soon. And if you keep fucking with me I'll take a trip back east and write about those plays you are working. I won't need any help finding the plays like you do.

 

Did anyone catch the "moving out to play - Blackjack" thread at WoV? I found the responses pretty lame an condescending. Here's the jist. ZenKing, whom, I have known on several sites for a couple years, is planning on moving out of his parents house and moving to Vegas or some other destination, to pursue his dream of blackjack card counting APing (a dream I am familiar with). I know he has been thinking about this and preparing for it for a while. Here is his situation. He has a bachelors degree in business that he is has not used since graduating. He has built a bankroll (savings) of $50,000. Owns his vehicle outright. No debt. No girl. No expenses. (I am lumping "girl" in with expenses) Don't know for sure, but I believe him to be in his mid/late 20's.

First disturbing response came from MathExtremist, who I generally like. He laid on the tired old line that AP's don't contribute to society, "don't create tangible goods or services". Give me a break. What baloney. Half the jobs in America don't create tangible goods anymore. Many are just middlemen or pushing paper around. APing is a legitimate, legal way of earning money and once you make some money, you become a consumer, which DOES contribute to society. But, no, I don't want to argue this tired old argument again (that means you Larry).

Moving on, billryan, who participated here for a short while under a different name (I guess he didn't find this forum to his liking), gave a long list of inflated expenses trying to dissuade ZenKing. Car registration $400, Nevada drivers license $100 (actual cost $42.50), Kitchen utensils $200. Monthly grocery bill $200. Come on billryan, one of the perks of this lifestyle is the comped casino meals. And a 20-something year old is not spending $200 on kitchen utensils...he will just snag some plastic folks and spoons from the various casino lunch/snack bars or from McDonalds. AND...a 20 something year old, moving into his first apartment, to play blackjack for a living isn't moving into a $1000/month apartment. One of the advantages of Vegas is low housing cost...apartments as well as buying a home. The idea for someone making this move to play blackjack for a living would be to keep expenses as low as possible, at least initially.

I get that these guys don't want to 'encourage' this move, but ZenKing isn't asking for advice on this decision. The only decent response I saw was not surprisingly from McAllister3200, who himself made this move to pursue his dream a few years back (I believe he has since moved on from Vegas).

So here's my take on it, although I doubt ZenKing will see my thoughts. 1.) Making this move requires one to have minimal expense and responsibilities. ZenKing has that. There are two good times in life to pursue this type of dream. One when you are young like ZenKing is with no wife, mortgage, or children, or two, when you are retired and have retirement/or social security income and children are grown and gone. #2 technically isn't pursing APing for a living, as you have monthly income, but blackjack AP works pretty well...maybe even better, as a supplemental thing too.

I don't know ZenKing, other than from a couple forums, so I don't know how prepared he is for this as far as blackjack AP knowledge. He has been a blackjack enthusiast for at least a few, years. I'll take him at his word that he is ready for this. $50,000 bankroll/savings is adequate to attempt this. I have seen a number of young players talk about this with far less BR/funds. I started with $4300. (and got real lucky). My brother started out just last year with $10,000 (although he really had more backing, he just didn't know it). Both those numbers are inadequate for starting a AP blackjack career. I would say a shoe-string number would be $30 grand. So $50 grand is more than adequate in my opinion.

So I just don't get this poo-pooing of pursuing one's dream. If not when you are young with no responsibilities....when? And unlike some of us that had no education and little reasonable career choice, ZenKing has an education and a degree to fall back on if things "don't work out". So I say "go for it, young ZenKing". Pursue your dream and best of luck.

Oh, and before anyone asks....no I can't take him in. The KewlJ AP halfway house is currently at full capacity.

 

Sure, a lot of plays have come and gone. I have that experience under my belt, exoter doesn't. I've always been able to adapt to the change by finding new things. If video line game plays dried up today exoter would be out of business but I would keep right on ticking. His ego is 10X his ability.

 

Mathextremist should clean up his own backyard. The "tangible goods and services" he is referring to is designing video games that beat people out of their money. Not exactly a great contribution to society either.

 

Well you married a asian skank hooker, who's probably had 1000's of cocks up her snatch, not that it put you off, were you desperate? What did the oral taste like?

Once again it says more about you than anything else, BBB was as I said supportive of you, even to the extend of defending you while you were suspended. However being the grub frighten child, you lash out, maybe stick to tales of $100,000 bankrolls and being down to your last $17000 and letting it ride, then going to home to play with your toy recovery trucks and flogging your possessions on EBay so you had another bankroll.

Walter Mitty

 

The article by Mission146/ Pavlov146 AKA [Admin Edit: personal info removed as per anti-doxxing rules] is still there. The link is on WOV in the Miscellaneous thread.

Title: "I-76 Service Plaza July Seventeenth Three Seven Teen P.M. - m4m" Here are some inspiring quotes from Mr Grob. The article, almost 2000 words, is about Mission/Pavlov/Pervy [Admin Edit: personal info removed as per anti-doxxing rules] talking to an imaginary person who urinated on the men's room floor.

>>>"I really had to defecate in a hurry".

>>>"Upon completion of my business, perhaps a good ten minutes after dropping my shorts, I was shocked and dismayed to to discover that the cloth portion of my beloved shorts, on the left leg, was soaked in urine".

>>>"Perhaps you are missing all your digits and are unable to hold your penis while urinating".

>>>"I loved those shorts. They were very comfortable for driving, especially with a broken air conditioner, as I could pull one of the legs all the way up to allow both my penis and my testicles to enjoy a little breeze".

>>>"On that note let me apologize to the female passenger in the U-Haul box truck that would have passed me approximately an hour before the time stated in the title".

>>>I promise I wasn't masturbating.....yet".

Yup. This is the guy who sits in judgement of others. This is the guy who represents WOV, WOO, Chan, Zuga and LCB with it's 800,000 members.

This is the guy who called Kentry the weakest link. [Admin Edit: personal info removed as per anti-doxxing rules] the Perv [Admin Edit: personal info removed as per anti-doxxing rules]...You ARE the weakest link.

More to come but I think I need a shower right now.

 

He's starting off in the wrong direction. WHY EVEN FUCK WITH COUNTING when there's much better stuff ?

Did you read his conspiracy posts? Something he said about not caring if he exposes himself. Your asking why someone should not take the chance at blowing 50k? Dam a 50k starting BR? I quit my job without a car and $1000 to my name. I had to give up TONS of seriously good stuff because I just couldn't afford it.

His focus and knowledge is too narrow. He should be asking about other forms of AP (not that people will tell him) I know people with more money and counting knowledge and experience that avoid counting as much as possible.

Unless he seriously changes his thinking and adds significantly more to his bag of tricks I give him a 15% chance of success, and he won't be any better off or he will be broke within in 2 years. IMO you don't actually have to ask questions if your actually ready.

There's a feeling you get by reading someones posts. Their questions, their demeanor etc if they have a good chance at making it.

$90 an hour? Highly doubtful he will be making that. Everyone has a plan until they get hit in the face.

 

Could be a short article. Who knows.

 

There are some problems with this theory.

1) All she does is eat and mod- no time left to rummage through a dumpster.

2) She hasn't seen her pussy since 3rd grade. The turkey baster thingy would likely end up going inside her gaping asshole.

3) If it was her kid, it would be called BeachedWhaleCalf, not GWAE.

Otherwise your theory is very viable.

 

Ok I'll bite.
I'm not asking what game or exact details. Just the gist. Is this a machine or a promo or something else? Is it a bonus type of machine you vulture?

On average working it 8 hours a day what's it worth per person assuming 4 hustlers? Around the clock in December? Dam even some the oldest best vulture machines weren't good round the clock. How aggressive do you have to be stalking people?

 

I've been isolated in Montana for nine years now. I have very little idea what the inventory on casino floors looks like in the other jurisdictions. I'm sure there are several new accumulator games I've never seen before. But I would have no trouble at all analyzing and exploiting those plays if I chose to go to those jurisdictions.

And you are right, it could be a short article. The stuff he is working is most likely so simple that any low level AP could work it.

 

junket-rolex, you sure get turned on looking at the black nigger cocks huh? how would you like to be a lube boy. I would open a massage place, you can spread the transgendered asses, lube their assholes and rube all the ky lube onto the tricks cock. would you like that baby>>>>???? Let me know, can make it happen for you honey.

 

Why are you wanted in all the other states or something? Why wouldn't one travel occasionally for something worth many thousands for a few days of work and then return home, especially if your not on a run?

 

More literary stylings from manboy's prodigy...the one who calls himself Mission146 or Pavlov146. Remember, this almost 2,000 words of nonsense is about him addressing some imaginary person who urinated on the men's room floor at a rest area.

"I run 6' 3" and about 234 pounds. I have excellent calves. You may have noticed them".

"First of all, let me apologize to you if my assumption that you are a man is inaccurate. You may be a transvestite, you may be transitioning or perhaps you are something of a pervy woman who enjoys using the guys restroom".

"I would also like to like to apologize to the other men in that restroom".

"First of all, for my surprisingly high and shrill yelp of disgust, secondly for stripping naked from the waist down and attempting to use the hand dryer to dry my shorts. Some of you liked it, I'm sure".

"I ended up at a Wal Mart. Eventually I was able to find a pair of replacement shorts".

"It was an awkward experience being naked from the waist down in the dressing room".

Now we know how he gets in so many words...just start every other sentence with "first of all".

If anyone in his cruising area sees a guy in a PT Cruiser with his "penis and testicles enjoying a little breeze" call 911 immediately. If anyone sees a 6' 3" deranged person in a men's room, naked from the waist down, call 911 immediately.

Everyone must be so proud of pervy Pierce. His fellow WOVers who, by the way, have steered clear of this like it was the plague. Manboy must be proud, Jackie Chan, Zuga, his girlfriend, his kids, parents, ex wife.

 

I have read some of his conspiracy threads and threads veering WAY off topic on Norm's site. At one point he thought he was going to make a killing investing in penny stocks. I am not vouching for him in the sense that he is ready for this as for as knowledge. Nor do I know here his 50k came from? It would be better if at least a portion of that was from AP earnings, as he has been playing blackjack for several years while living at his parents an working. BTW, that living at home (no or minimum living expenses) is a pretty good situation for someone attempting to play blackjack for a living. But there is something to be said for burning out your local casinos and needing a larger rotation to play. I went through that in Atlantic City.

AS I said, I don't know if he is ready or not. But what I do know is anyone who really wants to take their shot in life, whether it is being an AP, or an actor, or whatever should do so. I have heard there is no greater thing than looking back later in life with regret. And the time to take your shot, whatever dream you are chasing is when you are young, with no responsibilities. Maybe a year or two he will end up working in that cubicle or office 9-5 job. But he least he will have followed his heart and taken his shot and not be filled with regret and "what ifs" for an entire lifetime.

On losing his $50k: It's only money. He seemed to build this amount easily and quickly enough at a young age. And it likely won't take losing the whole 50K to find out whether he as what it takes or not.

On avoiding blackjack and blackjack card counting being the low end of APing: That's his dream, his passion Axel. It also was mine. Some of us actually love the game of blackjack. I am also who does. While I am not the smartest guy, I know I can make more money branching into more forms of AP. I've done some of that for periods, and given it up. I want to make my living playing blackjack. Maybe Zenking is the same, I don't know. Oh....and stop being an AP snob and looking down your nose at us lowly card counters, Axel. We get enough of that from the likes of Grosjean.

Now there are two points I should have added to my original post. One is that I know and have known for quite a while that I have been a big influence to ZenKing. There have been a few others just like that over the past few years. A few, I know of, up and moved to Vegas, because of or I prefer to say influenced by me. The guy I sold my second home to, two years ago, was another. And this weighs a little heavy on me. BUT, I am not encouraging anyone to do this or follow my footstep. I am not taking responsibility for that. They are already on these site and pursuing this idea. I am just sharing my experiences, just as others did for me.

Second thing I wish I had added to my original post was a recommendation that Zenking or anyone similarly relocating to Vegas, to pursue some fraction of AP play, contact and hookup (not the sexual hookup) with an established and successful AP guy like you Axel. Because even if your passion is a narrow area of AP, like blackjack and card counting, there is just easy, low hanging stuff available, that you should take advantage of. For starters, learn to play a little machine play, even if it is breakeven EV and not +EV, for food comps. Nothing more elementary than that. A single guy can easily eat all his meals off the casino with no expense other than a $1 tip.

 

Well, there are a few reasons. I haven't really kept up with new games that have come out in other jurisdictions. Occasionally, someone will post up something about one, which is the case with Wild Mermaids. Someone posted up about the game on vpFREE. So exoter is right, he was working a game for a couple of years that I knew nothing about. But then that game showed up in my jurisdiction and I was all over it.

I'm not networked nationwide with AP's like you are, axel. No one is telling me anything but that's okay. I could hit the other jurisdictions and figure it out for myself. But I'm happy with what I got. Montana is a great place to live. And my daily average is getting back to normal. I averaged a little over $500 a day on my last trip. If some AP's are making more than me then that's fine. I don't really care. I'm happy with what I got.

 

There are so many ways that you and I are worlds apart Mickey, even though both of us AP for a living. But this mentality is one that we share. Other AP's on various site often ridicule me for to the point that they look down at me for what I do and how much (or little I make). A couple months ago, I had one senior member of the AP community attack me on two different sites that I can't even participate on and couldn't respond to for not "advancing more" and making more money. I am not competing with anyone other than myself. I am happy with what I am doing, what I make, and where I am at.

And this would be one of those many differences. Where is this Montana place? What country is it located in? I am kidding.

But you know what.... we currently have a shitload of your people, cowboy folks from Montana and Idaho and the Dakotas and such who have invaded Vegas this week for the National Rodeo Finals. Upwards of a hundred thousand of "your people" and they bring there horses, cattle bulls.

So here's my complaints. These folks do everything slow and deliberate. When I get behind some walking, or "moseying along", I want to give them a kick in the ass. It doesn't take 15 minutes to walk 40 feet. At the blackjack table they take 10 minutes deciding whether to hit their 16 vs dealer 10, as if this decision will effect the rest of their lives. And at the buffet...they can spend the afternoon or evening. EVERYTHING is drawn out or in slow motion. But put them on a horse and they rope a calf in 5 seconds.

 

Well, you'll have to blame the late Benny Binion for the NFR. He's the one that had the idea to steal the NFR from Oklahoma City so many years ago.

 

If anybody reads that comment, Mickey, it basically comes off like you're asking me to name a play, either for you to learn it, or for your response to be "oh yeah I know about that one", when the reality is, if Wild Mermaid is new to you, you're years behind what I'm on right now. That's just a simple fact, Mickey.

Feel free to break down wild mermaid Mickey, its a very simple play to figure out, play when there's a single tile in the 5th column or less, regardless of all other tiles. Repeat ad nauseam, profit.

There you have it, the big secret behind Wild Mermaid, and all other similar games.

WOOOOO, so hard to figure out Mickey, it requires a write up! Get the fuck out of here you tired, old, joke of a hustler with your $800 keno plays, thinking you've stumbled upon something new and interesting. The fucking Asians and Mexicans across the country have those games on lockdown Mickey, you know those two groups of hustlers can't keep a secret and can't......not........burn the play, which is why you see so many of those cabinets being dropped across the nation, and for those that haven't yet, perhaps they might read your genius write-up and decide to take the rest of them down. Great idea, great plan, just burn all the games so people think you're the best of the best Mickey!

What a troll.

ZK from BJTF? The same ZK that I basically took a year long hiatus from on that forum because he was clearly an inexperienced bookworm who knew a great deal about the game, but knew nothing of real life or how it all works? The same ZK that tried to chastise me for being an opponent of his suggestion to buy ELTP, and criticizing him for not selling it when it reached nearly $1.00 when he supposedly bought it in the teens?

That ZK?

Probably another fluff post for whoever will listen from him.

If my Ego was 10x my ability Mickey, there would be a fucking blimp circling my house and I've have a few books, and perhaps a few self published articles about the games I was taking advantage of.

Sounds like the aspirations of someone I know............

Also, what little experience you have in hustling, Mickey, I probably made up for in my first 3 years hustling 12 hours a day, 7 days a week, while the majority of your life was spent buffalo hunting and silver mining like a lowlife bottom feeder. Don't forget your roots Mickey.

You'd be looking at 12-16 hour shifts right now out there with 4 people required to stay "active" across two casinos down there, two members per casino. Its a quasi-vulture machine that requires time spent watching the machine and the people who play it. Similar to the "stalking" you talk about. Incredibly hard to put a dollar figure on it because location and player denominations will affect the output. I won't fathom to guess its upper echelon potential, but I will say that it kept us plenty busy and well funded.

Wild Mermaid is so simple that any low level AP could work it, its so fucking obvious some machines will tell you exactly how many tiles remain unbroken, it doesn't get more obvious than that.

Having said that, there's a ton of games, dozens even, that you don't know about that are, in fact, obvious, but there's a half a dozen games I'm certain you'll never figure out, and require one hell of an analytical brain to figure out. You, Mickey, are far removed from your sport, and need to ease the fuck back from pretending like you didn't retire 9 years ago to play part time. The work I've done in the last 9 months makes what you've done for decades look silly.

Because he's not telling the "whole" Mickey Crimm story, because like all hustlers I've ever met, they all either have a drug, alcohol, law, or financial issue, and try to hide it. The few that succeed, engulf themselves in their success and become so acidic, so caustic towards other hustlers, that they might as well be working for casino security, and then there's guys like us, Axel. That grey area between "Too smart for this shit" and "I love the freedom of being my own boss".

Mickey is NOT an honest individual, and his musings here and on other forums have only painted a picture of a (sorry Mickey) Has-Been hustler who once knew how to make money on the casinos, but has since retired (luckily) to Montana to drink his life away, while posting about long-dead plays on the internet looking for admiration from naive casino players.

Sorry to call it how it is Mickey, I just don't have time for your games anymore. It offends me that someone like you acts the way you do. You're selfish, inconsiderate, and narcissistic.

He's a damned liar is what he is. He doesn't have 50k, he's not moving to Vegas from Pennsylvania, and he could have made a fortune on ELTP and didn't, and then told me I'd eat my words when ELTP was back into the $1 range before the end of the year. This was back in 2014? It closed in the 20's or 30's that year, and is worth like 14 cents per share today.

Kid ignored T3 and myself for months.