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Baccarat Pairs

Discussion in 'Baccarat Forum' started by Jimske, Jul 20, 2019.

  1. Jimske

    Jimske Well-Known Member Founding Member

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    Been a lot of discussion on pairs lately which reminded me of The Baccarat Code. Eugene mentioned it in another thread and JK mentioned he'd follow dom pairs if he had a choice so I thought I'd re-visit for fun.

    It seems that shoes that have significant side domination will do well with pairs - either side. The garbage shoes with little consistency? They shouldn't get hammered. A sudden long streak could do a lot of damage or a lot of good depending. But I thought it worthwhile to take a look being another way of mechanical bet placement.

    One shoe is the first dom shoe from Zumma that JK posted recently and the other my last live shoe which was pretty choppy. (sidebar: I did win 25 units on the choppy shoe. . . after last time out losing 73 units in an attempt to play Surewin - fortunately only a $5.00 experiment. And continued to not get a parlay after 20 bets!). I digress. Here's the results of the two shoes using The Baccarat Code.

    P.S. See how easy it is to explain a method using vertical scorecard?

    Pairs 1.png Pairs 2.png
     
  2. Junket King

    Junket King Well-Known Member Compulsive Liar

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    What are those numbers on the right hand side?

    I think it is worth bearing in mind, if you no-bet the second hand of a pair (what Eugene proposed), you have a 75% chance on winning a bet, you only have a 25% chance of winning both placed bets.

    Sounds about right, I did test it back in the day, not for me...
     
  3. Jimske

    Jimske Well-Known Member Founding Member

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    Those numbers show the frequency of the pairs. So the lower the numbers the stronger the pair is - supposedly.[/QUOTE]
     
  4. judge

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    Im new so cut me some slack but what is meant by Pairs
     
  5. Jimske

    Jimske Well-Known Member Founding Member

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    Can mean different things depending on context. Generally talking about either B or P having consecutive occurence. PP BB 1 pair each but PPPP means P has 2 pairs.

    My first post here referenced that Dr. Li method "Baccarat Code" which looked at betting the dominant pair.
     
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    Thanks helping me out.
     
  7. Ravinderchawla

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    Any body tried Dr Lim's baccarat code betting method of dominant pairs
     

  8. Junket King

    Junket King Well-Known Member Compulsive Liar

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    I read it back in the day. Wasn't prepared to risk money playing it, I gave away many copies to anybody who wanted it, which pissed him off big time. If it was good as he claimed, he would have kept it to himself and milked the casinos for everything he wanted, despite calling himself a Doctor, wasn't very good.

    If you're looking for a pair option, then follow the dominant pair!!! Betting pair are a nice concept, as you have a 75% chance of grabbing a win per 2 rounds of bets.
     
  9. Jimske

    Jimske Well-Known Member Founding Member

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    Maybe you forgot about his method. That's all it does , Follow the dominant pair.
     
  10. Junket King

    Junket King Well-Known Member Compulsive Liar

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    Probably, haven't looked at it in over 10 years.

    So basically I've just recommended a methodology at no cost that somebody else was charging for, how generous was that? LOL
     
  11. Jimske

    Jimske Well-Known Member Founding Member

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    Recommended? LOL You've endorsed it!
     
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    How generous of you to recommend some worthless trash that will do nothing but make me lose money....
     
  13. Junket King

    Junket King Well-Known Member Compulsive Liar

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    Ain't got time to read it, no doubt I'd run it differently, using a 2Col template and continued progression.
     
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    Junket King Well-Known Member Compulsive Liar

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    Hello misery guts, no improvement on the front front I see. Don't you have a gas oven, if life so so negative?? LOL
     

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    Could someone please explain dominant pairs. Do you count the pairs? Also what is considered dominant? So BB is a pair and PPPP is 2 pairs? is BBB 1 pair? Again, thanks for helping a newcomer out. Im retired with plenty of time on my hands. I'm trying hard to better understand the game and be a better player.

    Mark
     
  16. Jimske

    Jimske Well-Known Member Founding Member

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    • This may help but not the only way to play pairs. This manual shows a way to determine dominant pairs but includes all four possible pairs: PP BB PB BP.
     

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  17. Junket King

    Junket King Well-Known Member Compulsive Liar

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    I've haven't got time or the inclination to go back and read the scammers material, suffice to say.

    Record a shoe using columns of 2's, assign numbers to each of the pairs, run a running count as each pair is concluded. Bet the pair that is ahead, until another takes the lead. Use a Labby (cancellation system), or whatever you prefer.

    Here is a small example (from memory far simpler than the original doco)

    Capture 2col.JPG
     
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  18. Ravinderchawla

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    What do the numbers below each column signify (2 2 3 4 1 & 4 1 1 4 1) & when do u start betting, cuz in the 1st five paired hands BP & PB hit twice each so no dom & why is the B in the top right corner boxed ?, thanks
     
  19. Jimske

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    You might consider reading the manual I posted. It's not that difficult and a lot simpler than figuring out what JK is posting.

    It's just another bet placement method trying to exploit certain dominant conditions in a shoe. Like anything else going to have to put a betting system and MM along with it to be successful.

    Keep in mind there are other ways to look at pairs if you want.
     
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    Thanks Jimske. Where would I find the manual you posted earlier? Under what topic. Thanks again.

    Mark
     

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