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Roulette Ask The Croupier

Discussion in 'Roulette Forum' started by 6probability9, May 10, 2022.

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  1. SPIKE

    SPIKE Well-Known Member

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    This has been discussed Ad nauseam. If the casino made roulette an absolutely even game where everything was equal and they had no edge the casino would still end up winning because people bet their winnings over and over till they're gone. The casinos edge is just over 2% or just over 5% depending on single or double zero but their hold is always 16 or 17%. That's because people rebet their winnings they don't just get ahead and walk away and they would do the same thing if the casino had no edge. You certainly know very little about a game that you supposedly are involved in every day.
     
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    It's no more disadvantaged than all the promotions the casinos offer to get players to spend more money. That's all your stinky la porridge is, it's a gimmick to make you think you're getting something for nothing so you'll sit there and play and play and play. And you fell for it Hook Line & Sinker.
     
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  3. 6probability9

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    You are so desperate to disagree with me at every turn that you can no longer sustain a logical argument. Your influence reaches people more pathetic than you, and to be honest, your IQ is a joke. It's so pitiful you must avoid the math at all cost just to pretend to know anything about roulette.

    Your roulette example where zero gives you back your stake;

    −1×(18÷37)+1×(18÷37)+0×(1÷37)= 0

    I bet $2 on red
    My partner bets $1 on black.

    How can we ever lose if zero gives us back our bets?
     
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  4. 6probability9

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    Incorrect. FM
     
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    I don't have to respect your opinion. I've proven that instead of losing a wager in full to zero, La Partage divides the initial stake into two halves.

    The house keeps only one half of the losing wager. The player gets to keep the other half.
     
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  6. SPIKE

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    No kidding, everybody knows how it works. All you're doing is delaying the inevitable a tiny little bit that's why they casino does it to make you think you're getting some huge gift from them. You're still losing just losing a tiny bit slower. And this will make some people play longer and lose more money. It does just what a promotion does makes people think they're getting something for nothing. And you obviously fell for it.
     
  7. 6probability9

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    why you should always double check your working. that equation is correct. touché
     
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  8. 6probability9

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    This is ridiculous, it's 1/2 the amount of your wager. Maybe you actually play $1 bets however someone bet £1000 on Red. zero would rake £500. Obviously strategy is what makes the difference in our gameplan.

    You apparently play EU roulette online yet You are arguing for playing without any advantage.
     
  9. thereddiamanthe

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    Idiot.
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  10. 6probability9

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    You eventually caught me lacking with that straw man. Do you want a medal?
     
  11. thereddiamanthe

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    What fucking 'straw man' are you talking about? Define & explain elaborately.

    Nothing I do is purposed to seek the unnecessary attention, which would basically be three essential character flaws combined .. seeking approval, acceptance &or recognition -- I am way beyond that.

    Neither am I posting in this thread to catch you, make you flip, or run a personal feud ..comparing is the default for losers .. btw the section allocated for such unworthy matters is way down there below on the main page.in its own section.

    You being at any type of disadvantage is of no use to me whatsoever, that's not the type of currencies I rely on.
    Regard yourself as unstuck.
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    This is a roulette section of the forum, whereas far as I am concerned useful & actionable roulette things/topics are posted.

    So far you've posted two such things only:
    • presenting LP, including describing its inherent advantage


    If you would continue in this fashion, reserving yourself to elaborate on useful & actional pieces of information = data only, generating a much more viable atmosphere .. perhaps the forum members would take you (more) seriously (.. although I cannot speak for them).

    Do that.
     
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    As far as UK is concerned;

    first-off - UK ain't a nation, on that island you talk about are 3, regarding more recent history, indigenous nations: Welsh, Scotts, & English .. where Welsh & English are situated on the territory of England, Scotts in Scotland; in addition, there's another island to the west, where the Irish reside in Northern Ireland, relative to UK.

    Scotland & England make Great Britain & Nothern Ireland is self-explanatory.
    Thereof, The Realm of 'United Kingdom of Great Britain & Northern Ireland'.

    So the best term you could come up with regarding nationality is British, which is a superlative, & represent another artificial level of & in the code.

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    But it doesn't end there:
    second-off, although the 'Great Britain & Northern Ireland' implies only those territories & nations, it goes far, far beyond that.

    Its the word 'Realm', words 'The Realm of United Kingdom' I am explicitly exposing .. which implies much more than the already written above. This consists of a plethora of territories &ir nations, otherwise also known as Commonwealth of Nations -- that still recognize the so-called The Queen as her monarch, thus somewhat conditionally independent administrations constituted & formed as modern countries, using more modern commercial instruments -- officially 14 of them, but actually basically everywhere where common law jurisdiction is.

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    Much unknown to many, USA, similarly like Australia is despite its independent Resolution of Independence, still conditionally bound to 'The Crown' .. due to the secret clause.

    When I say The Crown its not pointing to the UK monarchy, but to the 'The City of London itself' & the Four Courts of Justice, four institutions within -- Lincoln's Inn (higher English code for link-all-inwards), Jefferson's Inn, Middle Temple, & Inner Temple.

    Each of these four have been in the times of colonization tasked with supervising various dominions, each in their continental jurisdictions (Americas, Continental Asia, Africa, Australia with surrounding islandish regions) .. & so it is still leveraged today.

    Although most colonies, the dominions have changed their status, turned into realms for their own sake, & took the form of modern countries; the bar society pertaining to The Crown is lodged into the sole firmament of these & all other Continental Law jurisdictions as well) has institutional establishments as the first thing, there are many others as well.

    When the USA has been formed & established, the final condition of the 'esquires' - as the officers of The Crown - imposed on the liberators has been that 'if USA ever owns to the Crown the debt vast enough that cannot be repaid voids the conditional independence, all the USA assets including the territories is reinstated back to The Crown. This clause has been signed by the liberators & is still kept withing The Crown's records/archives.

    That's the reson why:
    • The Land Patent Office has been established
    .. to remedy this after the fact (those more knowing will know what I am talking about .. if you hold a patent to the land cadaster, you have the right to evict the owner of the house = property, even though holding the deed to it .. or make'em pay 'rent' for having the property on 'your land' -- it also void paying the land tax to the US government, as another effect) -- basically the land patent supersedes the property deed
    • the real & paramount reason why US put boots in Iraq ≈20-years ago
    US has already, like every modern country performed business in insolvency = fiat currency, trillions of $ of outstanding debt .. meanwhile US$ is the 'reserve currency' of/for all other fiat currencies approved by IMF .. the only reason why, despite tanking its own value a lot, still hold a leveraging position against all others;
    Sadam has been initiating an economical attack on US (something US is doing to Russia recently alike) by converting the sale of oil into € euros .. & seeking strong allegiance of other Arab entities following the example .. which would put, at that point, an unfavorable burden on the US$, US economy, & US as an entity bound to The Crown itself .. which they simply could not afford at the time

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    & when it comes to The City of London & the Crown, the so-called the Queen has to at entering into its sovereign jurisdiction of that 'square mile' renounce all her titles & remove from her person anything signifying or resembling them .. which tells you who really runs the things ..

    ME
     
  13. 6probability9

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    • Violation of Rule #1: Be Respectful
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    You have proved yourself to be a fucking moron by pursuing your stupendous straw man argument about Europe.
     
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    I have heavily addressed the advantages of La Partage through my replies, notably expressing that EU roulette is superior to US roulette.

    American Roulette has lower probabilities in every position, e.g. straight up (2.63%) and EC (47.37%). European Roulette has higher probabilities in every position, e.g. straight up (2.7%) and EC (48.65%).

    At a minimum stake of 1:1, Even Chances on the EU has the highest probability of winning and the lowest probability of losing -1 at 48.65%.

    Expected value (roulette) is defined as the sum of all possible values for a random variable, each value multiplied by its' probability of occurrence. In terms of betting, EV is what you can expect to win or lose if you were to bet on the same outcome many times with the same stake.

    Every bet position in US roulette has an expected value of -.0526%.

    straight = 35×(1÷38)−1×(37÷38) = -.0526
    split = 17×(2÷38)−1×(36÷38) = -.0526
    street = 11×(3÷38)−1×(35÷38) = -.0526
    corner = 8×(4÷38)−1×(34÷38) = -.0526
    six line = 5×(6÷38)−1×(32÷38) = -.0526
    dzn/clmn = 2×(12÷38)−1×(26÷38) = -.0526
    EC = 1×(18÷38)−1×(20÷38) = -.0526

    Every bet position in EU roulette has an expected value of -2.7%.

    straight = 35×(1÷37)−1×(36÷37) = -.027
    split = 17×(2÷37)−1×(35÷37) = -.027
    street = 11×(3÷37)−1×(34÷37) = -.027
    corner = 8×(4÷37)−1×(33÷37) = -.027
    six line = 5×(6÷37)−1×(31÷37) = -.027
    Dzn/Clmn = 2×(12÷37)−1×(25÷37) = -.027
    EC = 1×(18÷37)−1×(19÷37) = -.027

    La Partage is a table rule that only applies to even chance bets. snm EC+LP is the only bet someone should strategise on playing.

    EC + LP = 1×(18÷37)−1×(18÷37)-0.5(1÷37)= -.0135

    That is 1/2 the expected value of all other bets aka half the house edge in EU roulette and we've just proved US roulette is inferior to EU roulette.

    So what game are you playing?
     
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    Haha what wrong with you people, anything that lowers the HE is a good thing, but not to the silly old coots whom I guess just like to argue the toss as it gives them something to do I suppose, irrespective of the argument. A clearly observable trait when it comes to the gambling fantasist and former eBay scammer!!!!
     
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    Now expand the math on the second point ..
    & why do you believe that betting on two EC-counterparts 2u:1u with LP applied

    .. its an all-winning or consistently winning combination.
     
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    Is there anything else to it .. or that's it?
     
  18. Nathan Detroit

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    Accept the game as given with or without LP. That is the mature way and with a proper MM still a winner .

    I do have the winning formula either way. .......... and the casino hates it down to the pit boss included .
     
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    So should I bet on the winner and double my money, or bet on the loser and get half my money back?
     
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    La Partage is like betting Banker in Baccarat. You get less than what you bet.

    But if it makes you happy that it’s giving a better house edge than the rest, all the best to you.
     
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