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Baccarat Bet Selection Options

Discussion in 'Baccarat Forum' started by Junket King, Aug 4, 2019.

  1. BeJustRich

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    I JUST TESTED 2 SHOES BY YOU 3 AND 3, IT IS COMPLETELY DISASTER, WHY NOT TO TEST BY YOURSELF AND JUST WRITE FOR PEOPLE THAT IT WILL NOT WORK! JUST LOST ANOTHER 100GBP!!!
    SHOE BELOW (EVERYTHING GO OPPOSITE) 333.jpg
     
  2. Junket King

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    How much testing did you do? Less than 5 shoes?? So you were busy playing and missed the post I made below.
    I don't need to test, because I've used it. You asked no questions just ran with it, too eager to recoup.

    I'm going to play out the shoe you posted, I assume this is the bead road

    Capture Zz.JPG

    No bet the first 3 hands. Then I get; W LW W LLLLLW LLLLW W LLLLW W LLLW W LW LW W LL - W12 L22 (not looking good)

    Let's run it via columns of 6 to break up any potential of repeating 3's, which is how I would actually play it in a casino.

    No Bet First 6 hands - LW LLL LLL W LLL W W W W W LLL LW W W LLWW - W12 L16 (I'd make money off it, despite the poor start).
     
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  3. Junket King

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    Apologies, the post above is wrong, I actually applied a bet selection called 3 Col LCD and then 6Col LCD. Ignore those figures...

    I will apply the correct bet selection (TRIPLE Zz), BBB-PPP etc, I would start B so that potentially higher bets 4-5-6 would be commission free.

    LLW LLL LW W W W LLL LW LLW W W W W LW W LW W LL W - W16 L16
    (this is how I would approach it in a B&M casino using columns of 6, the results would have been the same)

    For arguments sakes, let assume we start PPP-BBB

    In both situation you don't bet every hand, because the maths is doesn't support it.

    W W W LLL LLL LLW W W W LLL LW LW LLL W LLW W LW W LL - W14 L22 (okay probably a losing shoe, but not a total disaster).

    Running Triple Zz but using columns of 6 to safe-guard against hitting streaks of 3 the wrong way which happened above.

    This is how I would play it in a B&M casino.

    PPBPPBBBBB.........same shoe, split into 2 halves
    PBBPPPBBPB.........betting B for top half of shoe
    BPBPBPBPB

    BPPBPPBBB..........betting P for bottom half of shoe
    BPPPPBPPB
    BPBPPPBPP

    Tweak, if the shoe becomes overtly streaky, switch to FLD, given there is only one back to back streak at the beginning of the shoe, I would not switch to FLD, all other streaks are isolated.

    If I was getting rinsed, I would also be on the look-out for other feeler bet options.
     
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  4. BeJustRich

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    yeah, I still have roulette skills, I place my last 23 on the roulette wheel and I caught number 12 in Spiel sector. Got money back in 1 spin and run away :)
    It was a very very bad shoe, really. Much safer to use random.org. More stable. You will get 1 bad shoe in 30 of them. I did some big test with randomness on baccarat.
     
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    Really pleased to hear you managed to recoup. I'll have a peek at the random generator you posted later...
     
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  6. porky

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    Well first off there is no such thing as a random bet selection. Don't get your drawers in a wad. I made a post on GG years ago on a Sunday that today we will beat random using random. I had quite a few contributors. I laid out a 'RANDOM' bet selection and a fibo MM. I then asked everyone to pick one of the actual shoes they had played and work through it. It was a success. I remember a lot of the comments on it. But one was missed then I think about years later..... Was it random? Pulling out what sequence to use seems random But it was pre determined. Any bet selection you sit at a table with is not random. After studying bet selections one will know which ones end at 50-50 or there about tracking bet selections you can trend in hopes of catching on to a run of some sort. Changing how you track bet selections can give dominants for or against the pattern. You can trend follow, back to back, and singles. Not just P or B but in your patterns. You can develop your own triggers. The thing about this is several times it gets mentioned that once the cards are in the shoe it is pre determined. Once you decide to go bpbpbp it is also pre determined.
     
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  7. BeJustRich

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    Do you think dealer mix cards exactly random? (In my casino they mix cards with hands)
     

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    It is not a 50-50 proposition cuz yer gonna get over time about 2.76% more bankers outcome than players, hey hey.
     
  9. JAMESBANKROLL009

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    You meant the big road ?

    What is the meaning of LCD ?

    I replayed the shoe above with the method we discussed in another thread using my money management and my opening rule.

    Here are the results :

    L WWWW LLLL W LL WWWWW L WW L WW LL WW 16W 11L Ended +6 units. Maximum bet 2 units.

    I replayed the shoe above with the method described in your first post above using my money management and my opening rule.

    Here are the results :

    L W L WWWWWWWW LLLLL WW LL WWWWW LL W L WWWW L W L WW LL WWW L W LL WWW Ended +16 units. Maximum bet 2 units.

    What is this ? Do seriously your homework and just say thank you to Junket King for his contribution to this forum and for trying helping you...
     
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    During my analysis, this was an option that I had chosen with an appropriate money management, with the principle of a column of 6, with opening rules and with brakes after LLL to resynchronize my bet selection with the shoe.

    I think that I get it. Again, during my analysis period I came with something similar but in the framework of columns of 6.

    At least, another people is well aware...;)o_O
     
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    "BE-JUST-STUPID", If you read a post that outlines a framework of an approach to the game, YOU need to test it and Then decide if it is for you to use with $, IMO I think you bet way too big for your understanding of the game, hasten slowly.
    My results of your shoe posted above using the big road, Bet Selection of BBB-PPP played from first decision, 32W 24L, 57% WSR, +8u flat +16u G3M1.
     
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    You're too modest ... Normally, you can not play the first 6 hands and you forgot a last W on B at the end.

    So you have to remove the first 6 hands LLW LLL and add a W at the end.

    Then your W / L register match 100% with mine: 16W 11L

    I am too maniac... :)
     
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    And how to play BBBPPP is well explained in others threads...
     
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  14. BeJustRich

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    No problem.
    All topic starter about bet selection.
    I play random as I mention before.
    Check my post in progressions where i did not lost even one shoe out of 30. Last one I lost because of my mistake which i made by betting not by plan.
    If 3 and 3 would work...then how come on second shoe i lost by using dovisor?
    Just this one is not for me. I still stick to randomness instead of frame.
     

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    Unfortunately I have seen you post this enough to know your serious. I play 8 deck shoes. I have never, never, never, never seen Banker and Player decisions together reach a hundred hands in a shoe. Now your stating the game isn't 50=50 because in 100 hands hence 100% there will be over time not even 3 decisions more to the banker side of things. DAMN I now think I have found a new system. Wait the first 200 shoes I played because of thing called variance were so heavy to the player side you could of made a fortune just betting player. Wait one problem how would I know that the magical Banker would be that week during those shoes...… 3 hands out of a hundred balanced out over time...GOD what a system......
     
  16. Junket King

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    Yes you are correct, I've been playing to much since Friday, a much better term for random, would be mechanical, I should have used that instead.

    yep

    Last Column Decision

    B
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    B < LCD, this determines bet selection for next 3 hands in adjacent column, it will only fail against PPP if PPPP you win the 4th bet.
    An exact streak of has 3 possible start points, top - middle-bottom, middle and bottom are fine, top is a headache, hence the 33% vs 66% claim.

    I did look at the 64/1 shot, but I noticed too many failures.

    Probably, I did it in a hurry. It's a pain looking at a screen then down at your scribbling, back the screen wondering where was I up to...
     
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  17. BeJustRich

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    Well, when I generate 1000 or 10,000 random numbers 1 and 2 they are 100% random.
    When someone mix cards in the deck, do they mix it perfectly random?
    Let's imagine that I am casino and I am giving the results and I am 100% random. The player is Baccarat and they are betting by taking cards out to decide where to bet.

    Let's find a solution together how to benefit from shoes by being random!

    I did tests like this and you can try to do it by yourself:

    Take a shoe from the beginning and try to guess what will be next. The mission is to guess as many times in the row correctly as possible.
    IT WILL BE VERY HARD TO CATCH 4 IN THE ROW, it takes a lot of time.

    Try with random numbers, you will catch it much easier, but the same you will catch many loses as well.

    This message is just how I am thinking. Just trying to imagine the game and find the way to win 5chips per shoe at least.
     
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    OLCD ??

    33% of any given three streak too frequent? Surprisingly they can be.

    Reverse it to OLCD which is great against choppy shoes, rather than winning the 2nd or 3 bets, now you win the 1st or 2nd bets, which is better for the Labby. It's nemesis now switches to to streaks greater than 4.

    B
    P
    B < OLCD bet P next column 3 times max, stopping after any single win.

    With performs more closely like OLD but without the roller-coaster ride of your chip stack.

    Generally when I've played a 3Col, I've stuck with LCD occasionally switching to OLCD if the shoe is producing lots of chops, but I dislike switching, kind of defeats the purpose of using a Mechanical bet selection option.

    Next time, improvements on the mechanical pattern avoidance bet options posted thus far, which are even more robust.
     
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  19. RouletteGhost

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    When you say 3 col
    Do you mean matrix betting?
     
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    Not sure what you mean by Matrix, probably same as what I call Templates?

    Record results in this numerical order if using columns of 3's.

    1-4-7
    2-5-8
    3-6-9
     
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