Lounge Coronavirus

I'm actually surprised it hasn't spread even more in the US than it has, particularly with the amount of people still at certain beaches, on spring break, etc, tracking it all over the place.

 

The Chinese Communist Party are stoking the flames, stirring up rhetoric.

Italy donated a whole lot of medical supplies during the Wuhan crisis and before their own started. China didn't use this donation because they had hovered up most of the world's supply. When the shit hit the fan in Italy, China sold, yes sold, back the PPE equipment Italy had previously donated. There has been a fair amount of chatter about this on various news channels.

This guy is really good, having lived in China for many years, he's now in the US with his Chinese wife, he tells it like it is.

 

The Chinese government has supplanted the former Soviet Union as the great evil in the lives of those of us over 40, and the way they operate is really subtle in comparison. Much more effective.

They run their ops a lot like how the Italian mafia ran its business within local communities, their "Belt and Road" initiative is such a brilliant trojan horse...As are the massive infrastructure upgrades they offer to third world countries at low interest rates, who then can't maintain the payments, to which China replies with "no problem, we can now park our warships and troops within you as payment for services rendered."

Australia in particular is shitting bricks about the later, basically putting the red army and navy on their doorstep.

The Chinese people themselves are wonderful for the most part, I've spent time in Hong Kong and Taipei, both a bit more westernized than the mainland, and they're some of the nicest friends I've made. Very accommodating and giving.

I feel sorry for the hate the mainland's culture is receiving for their government's power and cash grab the past decade.

Honestly China's regime is just North Korea with more polish, a shit ton more money, and first-world nation status. Scary.

 

The reason the world largely over reacted to the Wuhan, China Covid-19 Virus was because of the secrecy and cover up by the communist party.

1. Intelligence agencies saw a virus suddenly devastating Wuhan China.

2. Wuhan is home to bio a weapons facility. Wuhan Institute of Virology.

3. Chinese researchers/ doctors/ scientists managed to leak stories of the devastation caused by a mystery virus centered in Wuhan and provide what is supposed to be the sequencing of the virus before mysteriously disappearing or dying. But intel agencies can't substantiate the claims or the sequencing.

4. The communist gov denies the existence at first and greatly downplays the claims. The propaganda machine kicks into high gear and twitter accounts around the world are hijacked/hacked by the communist propaganda machine. Communication is shut down in Wuhan.

5. Scientists and health offices are denied access during the early periods.

6. Intel agencies around the world must assume the worst, that the virus could be a bio weapon that has either been accidentally released or released by extremists
because the virus has yet to be sequenced and studied outside of China.

7. The propaganda machine then begins claiming that the virus is a bio weapon made by the US army and later says that it was just a virus brought to China by the US military.

8. This is why the leaders are still scared to death. Our gov is discretely informing state governors that we don't believe that this is a bio weapon but we can't be absolutely sure at this time. And yes, I know that we've now sequenced the virus outside of China, and that it looks like a natural virus. But intel still likely believes (man made of not) that the virus came from the inside of the Wuhan Institute of Virology,.

9. Governments around the world see the devastating in Wuhan China, and must assume the worst because of their histories with communist regimes. They recall Chernobyl. Even though mounting evidence points to a virus that was not man made, they can't be sure because of the lies and the possibility that they may still be using the natural virus as some type of weapon.

10. The propaganda machine effectively manipulates social media and gullible people into believing that merely mentioning the city of Wuhan, China when referencing the virus is racist.

When referencing the virus in the future, alway make sure that you call the virus by it's correct name. Put the location of where the virus originated first, and then the virus name. The name is The Chinese Covid-19 Virus. Chinese Virus or Wuh Flu are also perfectly acceptable. Don't let pretentious and gullible people tell you otherwise.

https://www.freep.com/story/news/lo...itmers-expanded-coronavirus-order/5125426002/

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...-way-sidewalks-fine-walk-wrong-direction.html

https://www.hbo.com/chernobyl (A great series. Yes, there are some exaggerations for entertainment, but it's close enough.)

 

Guess I find it quaint to see cats what swear down and up about doctrine that say you can't win buckin up against the baccarats are so quick to latch on to the wildest conspiracies theory. Oh well, it's Guinness and cashew time, again, hey hey! bbbbwwwwwwwwwwaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhh

 

I haven't had a chance to read the conspiracy theories yet.

By the way, YOU can't win, but I can.

 

Be a good boy and record a few millions more spin and maybe you can find one of them bias wheel, hey hey.

 

I don't need a few million for bias. Some I can play on sight. You forget, I'm also a VB player.

 

No it doesn't, it kills less than 1 million annually, according to the CDC.

https://www.health.com/condition/cold-flu-sinus/how-many-people-die-of-the-flu-every-year

Are you sure, it's only been 6 days, and already India has seen a 3x fold increase (actually higher). You are probably right though, it won't go 5x, more like 10x or more as the increase is exponential.

For a qualified lawyer peddling roulette advice and systems, you really are extremely wide of the mark on this.

 

The cost of this pandemic thus far, is estimated by G7 to be 3.2 TRILLION, a number so big, to us mere mortals it is meaningless. China couldn't pay this sized repartitions, never mind getting them to. Already India is claiming US$2 trillion alone.

In some parts of the world, this Pandemic hasn't even started, take Japan for example, they have decided the economy is more important than people's lives, so they are testing 1 in 2000, nothing is closed, people still going to work on crowded buses and trains, while people literally cough up their lungs. Africa and Latin America are not seeing the daily death figures as in Western Europe or NYC yet.

The official death toil in the UK is under 1000 per 24 hours, yet it is much higher than that, if you die at home, which a fair few are, there is no Cov-19 test performed and you don't even make the daily tally, there are stories of people being left for dead in houses for days cos' there is nowhere to store the bodies. In Ecuador they are dumping the dead on the street in the middle of the night who are not collected for days, that is one fucked up situation, having your loved one lying outside under a sheet of tarpaulin.

If people think the world will return to how it was before this out break, will have another thing coming. A few countries are literally paying their population to stay at home, this will undoubtedly trigger a global recession when it is finally over, Governments particularly the UK, will want to recoup the current expenditure, so there will be massive tax hikes. Less employment as businesses go belly-up, re-alignment of society as people realise shop workers, medical staff are just as vital as bankers and the like.

People's habits are gonna change, I'm sure there will be a few that would mingle inside a casino even now. Until there is a vaccine, I think people will be avoiding crowds, this fuckin' virus has already mutated, there are currently 3 strains going around, and 91 people in either Singapore or South Korea after two negative tests after being infected, are again testing positive.

There are too many similarities between this and the Spanish Flu, the difference is with Cov-19 you live a bit longer.. Was it Philadelphia? that took their foot off the pedal too soon and ended up getting whacked twice.

It will be worth trying to survive this to see what happens in say 2 years, had China been more open to how deadly this was, maybe countries might have prepared better, I say might, most probably still would have done fuck-all.

January 13th, W.H.O reported, no medics had been infected, only 41 cases, no significant human to human transmission, risk to UK population = very low. First case recorded in UK Jan 30th, less than 3 months later we are experiencing 1200 people dying per 24 hours.

On the bright side, when this is all done and dusted, 12 months, 24 months, who knows, there will be more younger people and females on the planet, us oldies have had our time.

 

Let's look at some numbers that nobody is looking at. It takes 10 days for an infected person to start to get so bad that they need hospitalization. After that, if they are one of the badly hit, then they take another 20 to 30 to die or get better. It's a 30 to 40 day event. The numbers you need to watch are the number of people being hospitalized. They are infecting others for about ten days before they start to show signs. This thing can't be stopped. The isolation thing can't go on before we start going back into a great depression. So we are doomed by health or by wealth. This is the funniest part of all these numbers. .3% , a fraction of one percent of the American population, has been recorded as being infected. And that was enough to overwhelm the New York hospitals. This thing is going to shake out all the numbers. If 50% of the population gets this then there is no way hospitals can house the numbers needed for 20 days. All we did was buy some time before the economy cries out for no more. It's a joke. Now maybe they will figure out that PPE's that work for healthcare workers will also keep the likely vulnerable from getting it too. Funny how that could work. Nobody has bothered to figure that one out yet. Our best hope is to infect everyone that can take it and isolate the elderly and those with weakened immunity. If I am to live until there is a vaccine then I need PPE's just to go get food.

 

Please don't call the virus Cov-19, because it's offensive. The communist propaganda machine should not be allowed to control how people think. Please call it by it's correct names. The Chinese Covid-19 Virus, the Chinese Virus, or the Wuh Flu are acceptable. The origin of the virus should always be included in the name.

The Wuhun Institute of Virology Covid-19 Virus is acceptable as well.

Thanks,

-Dr. Sir Anyone Anyone

 

Bill Maher is correct.

https://www.foxnews.com/entertainme...ronavirus-chinese-virus-we-should-blame-china

"Sorry Americans, we're going to have to ask you to keep two ideas in your head at the same time: This has nothing to do with Asian-Americans and it has everything to do with China. We can't afford the luxury anymore of non-judginess towards a country with habits that kill millions of people everywhere. Because this isn't the first time. SARS came from China. And the bird flu. And the Hong Kong flu. The Asian flu. Viruses come from China just like shortstops come from the Dominican Republic. If they were selling nuclear suitcases at these wet markets, would we be so non-judgmental?"



Maher observed that if the Chinese military had deliberately used the virus as a bioweapon against the U.S., "we'd be at war" and that the virus has had a bigger impact on the U.S. economy than China's alleged "currency manipulation" that politicians have complained about.

"This is a dictatorship that for decades enforced a one-child-per-family policy under penalty of forced sterilization, but you can't close down the Farmer's Market from Hell?" the "Real Time" host told viewers. "Maybe to use that iron fist and pound it down like the whole world depends on it because it kind of does. And I hope that if someone told Americans that eating Hot Pockets could cause a worldwide pandemic that we would have the good sense of stop doing it. Although I wouldn't bet on it."

 

He's right, but once it gets past the sound bite level the issue becomes feeding so many damn people.

I personally may say "close those fucking wet markets permanently", but they would respond by saying "we hear you, and want to, but then 500M+ people begin to starve within 3 calendar days. Then comes people in the streets, then comes revolution with Xi's head on a pike, then global financial destruction that makes Covid-19's economic impact look like a single late credit card payment".

I have no idea how to solve their food issues, but this is something that obviously they need to figure out. Stop screwing with quantum mechanics, state-level hacking, and all the other nonsense they're invested in, and focus on how to safely feed your people.

To which they would probably reply: "Ok American-Mad-Cow Virus guy. Sure thing".

 

This didn't come from a wet market. Govs. don't issue shelter in places orders and quarantines unless they're worried. This Chinese coronavirus came from the Wuhan Institute of Virology. They study over 4000 viruses there, many of them are corona viruses straight from the Horseshoe bat. By the way, this isn't the first time they've had a virus leak from one of their labs there. There are at least two other instances over there. China should be sanctioned.

https://nypost.com/2020/02/22/dont-buy-chinas-story-the-coronavirus-may-have-leaked-from-a-lab/

 

Well, the issue with sanctions are this incestuous relationship we have with them in terms of how much of our debt they capitalize for us through asset purchase. They, along with Japan and the UK, and few others, basically own us in terms of purchase of our debt via said assets (bonds, stocks, etc).

We can slap Russia, because Russia doesn't finance any of our debt. Or Iran, or North Korea. But we can't really sanction any country that buys our debt, otherwise we risk economic issues as the asset prices would fall due to a lack of buyers (if a major was removed).

Now this would hurt the buyer as well, because they don't buy our debt as a favor, they buy it because it makes them money. But as the tariff war showed, other nations don't necessarily care if their short term economy takes a hit if in the long run they push back successfully.

This connected world has drawbacks, this bizarre relationship we have with China is one of them.

 

Just look at the pragmatic use this virus serves China by. It culls the elderly and the weak. This is the worst part of Communism. They run out of other people's money first. Trump is making them run out of American money. So to tighten their belts they need to find a way to get rid of those that use up most of the healthcare in their system. They can also use it to weaken the economies of the world at the same time because they are willing to let their weakest die while the world is stupid enough to try to protect the weakest. I know that I'm talking about myself in this. That's covered under "tough shit" and life is not fair. They are smart enough to let their weakest die. We are not. We have already done great harm to ourselves. This is a new kind of world war. We just got hit by a global Pearl Harbor. It makes sense too. We need PPE's for the weakest and we need to go back to work. This will not be the last pandemic. Time to wake up and figure out what really happened.

 

It does do the things you mentioned pretty well Mark, but I also wonder about how China's leadership manages and assesses risk. If their goal above all, the #1, is to keep the regime intact, you don't risk it by unleashing some virus on your own people, because if you fuck up the response, even a little, the military will coup your ass right quick. And that's not good, if you're that leadership.

As an example, for the last ten years the government has slowly attempted to "raise" gas prices over there a few cents at time per gallon, because they subsidize them heavily for their people and they want to stop now that it's no longer necessary (and they also do it to also fuck with oil pricing, but most of the time it's just to slowly erase the subsidy.)

But each time they do a raise, again, just a few cents, the citizens start to bitch, rise up a bit, threaten to block ports with trucks and all kinds of other shit. Usually the government backs the raise down if the protest is too severe, or, they offer subsidies in other ways to placate them. And they do that because they don't want to ever, rock that boat.

A regime will always act in the regime's best interest. And sure, their #2 goal may be "world domination", but #1 is always, always, keep the regime intact. And thus they'd likely be much too risk-averse to unleash anything purposely. That doesn't mean this wasn't accidental as Caleb is talking about, but in terms of on purpose, I can't see it due to the risk.

And I personally do believe the multiple bio engineers who have direct access to the virus, and have broken down its genome, and are "100% sure" it wasn't lab created or man made. These are independent engineers from various different countries, who can't all possibly be bought off or confused about what they're looking at.

It likely transferred from bats to the pangolin, which are illegal to trade there already, and which were then consumed by humans. I know the chickenhawks in the States want to make it more than that, maybe to gin up the anti-China stuff, but usually the truth is far more simple than conjecture. Bad luck, bad hygenic practices, and bad enforcement by the Chinese government of their own laws essentially.

But hey, you never know. If it's some bio agent designed to send their oldies to the grave and to thus somehow elevate them via a population culling, then hats off, because they seem to have pulled it off.

 

The biggest threat the virus has brought to me thus far is the need to wear a mask at all times INSIDE the house, to stop me from fucking eating.

Covid-19, where the 19 stands for how many pounds I've gained since it started. Christ!!

 

They are still in power. Those handling the risk are all wearing protective clothing. It only takes a very small inside group to get this going and to make it look like they are all trying to save people. What's up with the W.H.O. saying it does not travel from human contact? This is all about money and power and nothing more. Those that run communistic regimes like the good thing they have going for them and big deal if the suckers don't like what they do. We are talking about Chinese planning and pragmatism. And what about getting away with lying to the world and blaming the U.S. Military? This is war. It walks like a duck and quacks like a duck. We should just cancel our dept to them for this and stop buying their goods.

They searched for a perfect undetectable bomb that attacks the weak. They didn't need to engineer it. They just needed to find it.