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Feedback Doxxing: Should we create a new rule prohibiting doxxing?

Discussion in 'Suggestions / Comments / Criticisms / Problems' started by Admin Team, Jul 4, 2016.

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Should we create a new rule prohibiting doxxing (e.g. posting personally identifiable information)?

  1. Yes.

  2. No.

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  1. Admin Team

    Admin Team Administrators Admins

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    Hi folks,

    As a result of recent doxxing here where personal identifiable information about individuals (e.g. pictures) has been posted, some of our members have raised concerns, particularly about how it can be detrimental to Advantage Players trying to hide their identities from casinos.

    So we'd like to open the floor to discuss creating a new rule prohibiting doxxing. We are happy to prohibit things such as doxxing as long as they don't compromise our founding principle of uncensored discussion about gambling-related topics. A person's identity isn't a gambling-related topic, so we don't believe this new rule would compromise our founding principles.

    Whether you support or oppose doxxing, please justify your position. We are genuinely interested in hearing everyone's opinion regarding this important matter.

    Points to consider:
    • If you oppose the creation of this new rule:
      • How does the community benefit from permitting doxxing?
      • Would you be OK if you were doxxed?
    • If you support the creation of this new rule:
      • How does the community benefit from prohibiting doxxing?
      • How aggressively should we enforce it?
      • Should it only apply to members?
      • Should it only apply to Advantage Players?
      • Should it apply to anyone?
      • Shout it apply just to pictures, or also to names and other personally identifiable information?
      • Should it apply to people already using their real names and pictures?
      • Should it apply to scammers?
      • Should it apply to pictures already publicly-available?
      • Should action only be taken if the person being identified complains?
      • Should it be retroactively applied?
      • etc.

    The floor is open. We encourage everyone to participate to help shape this potential new addition to our rules.

    Thank you.
     
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  2. Wizardofnothing

    Wizardofnothing Well-Known Member

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    Although I believe Freddy is a sock puppet and should be doxxed just simply because he is an asshole- there is zero reason to allow this in a forum- so I guess Freddy is protected as well
     
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  3. freddy

    freddy Well-Known Member

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    Another great comment from the Wizard of ISIS. Happy Fourth of July from a real American. Please stop trying to hljack every thread with your nonsense. Show some respect for the management here.
     
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  4. Wizardofnothing

    Wizardofnothing Well-Known Member

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    Go fuck yourself you scum sucking fucking piece of shit- let me run into you in person and watch how fast you shut the fuck up
     
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  5. LarryS

    LarryS Compulsive Liar Compulsive Liar

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    This is a board of ideas...not of picyures if people's faces, families, homes, place ofbusiness

    I care more of ideas
    Although some one may appear bitter and socially backward.......A picture only might reinforce why...but does not change the reality.
     
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  6. appistappis

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    latest pic of wov ap's
     

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  7. Junket King

    Junket King Well-Known Member Compulsive Liar

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    The pictures of the two WoV mods both of whom are non-AP's which I have posted were already in the public domain (imgur and youtube). Shacklefords mug, another non-AP apparently is plastered all over the internet and let's not forget it's okay to copy and paste from other web-sites and re-post over at WoV to cause distress to specific members which the mods turn a blind eye to when it suits them

    So fuck 'em and the Jizzofnothing
     
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  8. Fisk

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    So in the public domain means you are not responsible for anything? Decorum, manners, any of that?

    Seems a bad practice with many possible repercussions and not really any benefit. The admin team has shown me enough where I'd not worry about them getting their panties in a bunch over any and all photos, after all, famous people exist. However, many folks become internet friends if not real life friends, and with the advent of social media, one could be lulled into a false sense of security. Case in point, I shared some parts of my very personal journey to an audience of a whole 7 people, and 7 is on the heavy side. Now any ol person with a thorn in their paw can do whatever they want with it? Some say fair play, "you should have known". I have always said that's horse shit. There are a great many things that fall under "fair play", and a great many of them are quite despicable, IMO. And with the class of people I've seen in my days on Earth, I'd think it'd be best to err on the side of caution.

    The trick is hitting that sweet spot. Too lenient and it's like not even having the rule. But start busting every little thing and it'll take negative seconds for the rabble to come unglued. I wish you well of it, admin team. I tell, it's gonna be nice to sit back and watch without having to do anything about this one =)
     
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  9. Junket King

    Junket King Well-Known Member Compulsive Liar

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    First piece of advice, stop trying make friends via the internet. Go outside met people, looking for gambling buddy, next time your in a casino, talk to people and see where it goes from there.
     
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  10. nate

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    So, are you a mod here too.
    I ask again, why is wov taking over this site and not just off topic boards. Is gf affiliated with wov? Sure starting to look that way.
     
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  11. redietz

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    If someone wants to post your photo, they can sign up, post your photo, and get banned if that's the punishment. It's not like getting banned is going to somehow punish them in any real sense. The sites don't seem to have any enormous practical value other than entertainment, so I imagine getting banned from a site isn't going to stop someone who wants to put your photo out there.
     
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  12. LarryS

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    I think the admin isn't thinking about the punishment (banning) more than being able to delete it asap.
    I have no personal pics anywhere on the internet so this this doesn't affect me much.

    On the GG/boards there is this antisemite that uses his real name. Someone researched it and posted his phone number...address..and a picture of his hose.
    Probably from Google maps.

    That was available to anyone since the guy used his real name.

    However...let's say someone's pic is posted by someone who had his pic on the smartphone from a social meeting years before...and someone else recognizes him and posts his name...and someone else posts pics of his home and the address using the name previously posted.

    If anything adverse happens to the
    man...I wonder what the liability is for the site that knowingly leaves it(the personal info) up.
    Especially if the man don't use social media and has no info of himself available like on Facebook or the like.
     
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  13. redietz

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    That's a reasonable question. My thinking is that you'd almost need mod in-real-time filtering of every post to prevent it. Yeah, once it's up, it can be taken down, but how long up is too long? An hour, a day?

    Everybody's at risk. I just do not know how to prevent it. Interesting problem -- if you're an undercover journalist, say, covering Klan meetings or a human trafficking group, a lot more than AP income is on the line if photos get out there.
     
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  14. Fisk

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    No funny title, name doesn't read "Admin", have never spoken in an official aspect. I am not a mod here, have never asked about being a mod here, has never crossed my mind to become a mod here. I quite like being a part of the rabble and would highly doubt my wonderful avatar will ever be the face of decision making here at GF.

    Your second question is unanswerable. My apologies.
     
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  15. Fisk

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    This is a very good point, but I wouldn't restrict it to just "what happens to the site re: liability". Fact is, this stuff could be seriously damaging to a person. Someone like MrV might be content to rag on the Sky Pilot via one solitary site. Just nothing but words, no big deal. But MrV is a stable, reasonable man. You get some whackado Omega who's playing with a deck of all jokers and shit can get real messy. I've had to deal with one issue where a member was getting calls to his personal business, comments about his daily movements through cities he was currently in, just real creepy stuff. And maybe, the perp was just a twat looking for kicks. Some Omega who now gets to play the bully. But some people are truly fucked in the head, and I wouldn't want the biggest asshole to be subject to that treatment, let alone the majority of decent, well meaning posters that inhabit these sites.

    It's just so cowardly. I hate censorship as much as the next guy, but when someone posted a smear thread on my site, I nixed it immediately. First time I ever outright censored something. It just struck me a yella. To harm or attempt to harm another individual from your own fortress of secrecy is complete chickenshit. And I find the posting of private information by a completely anonymous person to be orders of magnitude worse, as the consequences can be very real.

    Obviously mods cannot be at all places all the time, and as red stated, there's nothing to stop someone from ripping in and posting real quick. But some sort or remediation should be in order. Once something's on the internet it might always be on the internet, but at least wiping it from broad daylight would prevent the lazy, half assed wipes at folks that could result.
     
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  16. mr j

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    Of course I voted yes. Its not just pics.

    The way its set-up now....if a person wanted to post an address, SS number, CC number etc., thats ok without it being deleted?

    Even the people I cant stand, no need to have "certain" info out there (imo).

    Ken
     
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  17. LarryS

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    I ask this of the admin, since it might hit home.

    This site has not alot of restrictions. There has been antisemetic posts, racist posts...and it all is allowed according to the rules.

    So lets say there is a radical watchdog group that is infuriated by this....I dont know..maybe jewish or african american organization.....puts this site on a "watch list"

    And then someone finds your picture, name and address...and posts it here

    Do you really want that out there ....just so you can proclaim that this board has total free speech?

    Will a radical watchdog group or an individual act agasint you ..using the info? I have no idea....but my advice is...dont give crazy people a reason.

    Now I understand that he could post it elsewhere I guess.....assuming there are other sites that allow that type of info.

    But still.....why would u need that aggravation.

    And if there are really crazy people out there, who do crazy things to others, get caught and give a statement that they got the info they needed from this site.....you may not lose a court battle.....but you may pay some nice money to lawyers in the meantime.
     
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  18. RS

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    I think there's absolutely 0 reason why someone should be able to post someone else's personal information without their approval, like phone number, address, picture, SSN (duh), name, etc. This shouldn't even be up for debate.
     
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  19. KewlJ

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    OK, Admin. It's been a week. 90% vote....that's pretty over-whelming, even if it is a small sample size. (If people didn't vote it's because they didn't care enough to). Time to get off your ass and do something, like take down How Many's avatar for starters.

    How Many: I like you and appreciate your support back at WoV, but this is just sleazy. I strongly disapprove.
     
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  20. Admin Team

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    The participants in this thread, including yourself, have not actually addressed the points we put up for consideration in the opening post.

    An alteration of the rules needs more than a quick straw poll. Its implications and implementation need to be thoroughly considered and discussed.

    So you may begin by addressing each point in our opening post since you are the one who recommended this rule change.

    We are all ears.
     
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