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Baccarat Flat Betting banker selectively all shoe

Discussion in 'Baccarat Forum' started by JacobBlaze, May 20, 2022.

  1. JacobBlaze

    JacobBlaze Active Member

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    Trip report...

    I dedicated most of this trip to Soxys method and I found a nice VIP junket area that lets me bet 1000.hong Kong kitchen dollars ( $130 USD) minimum flat bets. It's a very exclusive area so no muss no fuss and I can churn thru a shoe in about 30 minutes using the EZ no KoKonut Method selection.

    This is just my selection bet method based on Soxys selectively flat betting search for holy grail banker thread.

    Fathead contact me for the updated bet selection im ussing now if u have time to test it, I'm sure it will have similar results to yourr last test but it would be interesting.

    Here are the results for the 30 shoes played during my most recent trip.
    These aren't true money results earned as I was playing a.different method at beginning of the trip that had me.down about 15 units so decided to switch to this.method.as.i was tracking it along the way and it was doing better.

    I finished overall trip at -5 units (-$600ish) about 5 days casino trip.

    The first section was played another method, but I just recorded the flat Bet banker results for thread purposes.

    This section would have finished -5, remember I was about -15 real money using other method.

    The second section was when I actually changed to.the selectively flat bet banker method and physically actually won 18 units that section, I had 2 +8 shoes back to back :) lucky....

    The third section I decided to combine the bets but had mixed results. But here I just recorded what would.have happened if i would have robotically played the Soxy flat bet banker selectively method.

    I wish I would have stayed with the Soxy method the whole trip as I would finished at +25 overall before commission, but went home with a -5 loss
    :-(

    Only bet banker all the way through so.commision is higher than normal.

    But.lack.of discipline and boredom got the best of me, lesson learned (hopefully) lol

    I plan to post a few select.shoes later.

    E
    -2
    -4
    +1
    +1
    -1
    E
    (-5)
    ******

    -1

    +2

    +7

    -5

    -1

    -2

    +8

    +8

    -3

    -1

    +6

    (+18)


    ***


    +7
    +4
    +1
    E
    -7
    +2
    +3
    +4
    -3
    +1
    E
    E
    (+12)

    Yoyoyo CookADuck
     
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  2. Punkcity

    Punkcity Well-Known Member

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    Looking forward to that, cheers.
     
  3. Jake0628

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    Call me ignorant or stupid but what exactly is the flat bet selective method used? I’ve seen all these threads about it but not sure I’ve actually seen what it selection is.
     
  4. JacobBlaze

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    Just bet banker only all.shoe, but not every hand just whenever your trigger hits, or the punky way is bet banker only when a sexy lady boy walks by
     
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  5. Garfield

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    This supposedly nothing compared to thousands of shoes tested by the method's owner himself....
     
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  6. Rond1nell1

    Rond1nell1 Active Member

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    I would like to know about the triggers for betting only on the banker. Or what topic should I read to learn.

    Thank you!
     
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  7. JacobBlaze

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    Just read the forum posts is SoxPuppet and soxmans replys to shoes posted and try to.figure out his triggers.

    I have been trying different versions, but haven't found it yet.

    Here is an attempt that backtested well over 40 plus live shoes, but when. I actually played I lost.a bit, but moved on to Something else, so.neber gave it the full test...

    Just remember everything wins until it doesn't, so just be properly bankrolled for your limits.

    https://www.gamblingforums.com/threads/bet-banker-only-once.23918/

    Yoyoyo limeyYoDuck
     

  8. Jake0628

    Jake0628 New Member

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    I’ve recently noticed that hands 20-30 tend to produce good steaks to play. Anyone else notice something similar or just my mind playing tricks on me?
     
  9. Jimske

    Jimske Well-Known Member Founding Member

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    Oh geez!
     
  10. JacobBlaze

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    Update..played 8 shoes last night...


    Win/loss register from last night's kitchen table $100 kangaroo units

    I'll try post some shoes later if I don't get too lazy
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    This particular casino area (junket) cuts their shoes 2 decks behind so most shoes are only between 50 to 55 hands
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    L
    L
    L
    W
    W
    L
    W
    L
    W
    L
    L
    W
    L
    5w 8l
    -3
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    W
    W
    W
    L
    L
    W
    L
    L
    W
    5W 4L
    +1
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    W
    W
    W
    W
    W
    L
    5W 1L
    +4
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    L
    L
    W
    W
    W
    L
    W
    W
    W
    L
    6W 4L
    +2
    --------
    L
    L
    L
    L
    0W 4L
    -4(this would have been a -8 shoe if I didn't adjust)
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    W
    W
    W
    W
    L
    4W 1L
    +3
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    W
    W
    L
    W
    L
    W
    L
    W
    W
    Tie (quit here)
    6W 3L
    +3
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    L
    L
    W
    L
    W
    W
    W
    L
    4W 4 L
    Even
    Was tired and decided to quit this shoe Even
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    Yoyoyo DuckisSick
     
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  11. Punkcity

    Punkcity Well-Known Member

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    Great post showing professional mindset, “I would have been - 8 unit if I hadn’t adjusted”

    This ladies, gentlemen, non gender specific and of course ladyboyboy, shows that even through a “particular selection criteria” is in play IT doesn’t mean that it’s foolproof , aka holy grail with sticky handles .

    IT shows the VALUE of understanding the play at hand , IT shows that a pure money blunt instrument approach is also useless.

    Nice work Jacob, nice.
    Enjoying your post. Cheers
     
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  12. JacobBlaze

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    Thank you sir, you got Koala Mail with some koala nuggets (turds)... Lol
     
  13. JacobBlaze

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    Two.shoes from the recent 8 shoe session above, one finished +4 and one -3


    IMG_20220524_113449.jpg IMG_20220524_113422.jpg
     
  14. Jimske

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    Is flat betting better? If so why? If one assumes a positive expectation then certainly just about any progression will produce a better hourly win rate and/or shoe win rate. It's just a matter of available bankroll and table limits.

    Let's assume his bet election above is a positive expectation and the results due to variance.

    The above win-loss registry produces a 50-50 win rate. My go-to progression wins 8 units without Commission.

    If we are not guessing then what's the advantage?
     
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  15. cps10

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    Well said @Jimske. I never understood why people who claim to have +EV wouldn’t either (1) bet larger, or (2) use a negative progression for more earnings. Makes no sense to me. I would like to know the same answer as you.

    My progression works very well. I’m not at 50% well maybe very close but it’s what gives me more winning sessions than losing.
     
  16. Jimske

    Jimske Well-Known Member Founding Member

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    theoretically a progressions average bet size (ABS) would equate to flat betting same (I think). But shoe win % should be much better with progression which translates to greater hourly win.

    We do have a ratio concern of about 4:1 I'm guess. So IOW to achieve $100 per hour a base progression bet should be about $25.
     
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    I woulda capture a brisk +2.15 units nets profits for them two shoe, hey hey.
     
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  18. Junket King

    Junket King Well-Known Member Compulsive Liar

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    "Woulda" LOL, nobody captures anything unless they are actually at the table betting REAL MONEY. You can't spend any "I woulda", and "Kitchen Table Casino" units are worthless,
     
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    Junket King Well-Known Member Compulsive Liar

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    The aggressive "string method", real money required, kitchen table units don't make the grade.

    2-2-2-2-2 bet 2u lose

    increment into string

    2-2-2-3-3 bet 3u lose

    increment

    3-3-3-3-3 bet 6u lose

    don't increment

    3-3-3-3-3-6 bet 9u lose, fair bit of damage for 4LIAR, however it is ok

    3-3-3-3-6-9 when betting low value units or fictitious kitchen table casino units, not top gear units.

    Early losses need to be split over 2 strings, populate any other strings with bigger bet losses, such as 6u or 9u.
     
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  20. JacobBlaze

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    So total for the two shoes +2.5 or +2.5 each shoe for total of +5? Thanks
     

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