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Baccarat Glen's "Turning Points. Sections. Gaining an Advantage"

Discussion in 'Baccarat Forum' started by Jimske, Jul 8, 2019.

  1. Jimske

    Jimske Active Member Founding Member

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    (sidebar: So glen admittedly enjoys reading other forums but doesn't allow reading his own forum. Typical. I don't and haven't posted there and won't. Though Glen has attempted to lock me out but of course he cannot. I can still read the posts.)

    I have an open mind when it comes to how others perceive, play and bet the game. And I don't object to the concept that the shoe has definite sections where changes (turning points) occur. I'm sure many of you can read .CC so I don't have to paste it all here. As usual Glen gets lost and wastes a lot of ink with statements about how one shouldn't play and how others make mistakes and about math and yada, yada, all of which detract from what he's trying to get across or maybe just confuse the issue. Cut to the chase.

    So he goes on to describe turning points: "Turning Points are to be set by the shoe's presentments.

    2) The more complicated part and as well, subjective to one's interpretation, are the values of the hands being played out. To me, as well as many others that I regularly play baccarat with, are the hand values. Determining hand values and how those can and will identify a section within a Section, also known as clumping, will usually present itself, somewhere within the highest majority of most shoes. You must be alert, conscious of what it is, looking for it, neutral and the many other things I have identified and written about that will lend advantages to you in the recognition of just that."

    Okay, so the "presentments" (P's and B's) are supposed to give you an idea as to what is going to happen in the future. So, IOW, as an example you may see a lot of chops and then some longer repeats and say, "Aha" lets bet repeats because that's a turning point identified. I get that. The history f the P and B's may, in fact, be consistent enough to get some wins if you were betting Old and switch to FLD.

    Next he says that you got to keep track of the hand values for "clumping." By clumping I assume he means like hand values of some sort. He doesn't actually define any of this but just leaves in in the ether someplace for the punter to figure. He says he has identified and "written" about said but alas - he has not!

    Skip some of his irrelevant banter and come to "Either P or B, or both, can clump within a Section. A great advantage to a person wagering is being able to get on the right side or the right events within any Section with some strong positive progression or parlay wagering." Okay, cool, he comes clean, realizing the hand values bunch of malarkey and says watch the trend of the P and B and parlay for that what is basically a chop or streak trend to continue! And he gives a real life example:

    p BB p B p BB p BB pp B pp BB pp (Section 1)

    ppTTpppppp BBBB ppp BB p (Section 2)

    BBT pp B pp B pppp B ppT (Sectio9n 3)

    B p BB p BB p B p B p BB pTppT ((Section 4)

    FINAL:
    Banker=30
    Player=39
    Ties=7
    Panda 8s=2
    Fortune 7s=3
    3 Card 8/9s=1 Throw out the worthless T and xtra bets because he goes on to say: "Please refer to the + - 10/+ - 20 Count I have detailed in other threads. This sticks more than almost anything other consistent happening throughout the shoe, IMO, experience and witnessing over the years.
    This particular shoe finished with a Player +9. Use the + or - as one guideline, coupled with others that are presenting themselves, will allow you to gain a certain advantage and be there when something develops on the correct side. Rather than joining most everyone with the verbal astonishment's and open mouth disbelief's as for example, how the Players side can present 12 straight Players with 5 naturals, and the other 7 Player wins having a 3rd card bring the Players side total to either 8 or 9 nearly every time.

    Turning Point #1 placed between hands 19 and 20 because of the following. 1) The number of hands. 2) Player began to dominate as realized by the two natural ties and the 3rd Player presented. 3) Nothing strong appearing in first Section. 4) Player continuously winning for 3 hands straight with surviving the cut of 2 Natural Ties."

    Really? He's boiled all this down to a count when and if there is a significant discrepancy between P and B and how the P and B's are "clumping."

    If you read the rest carefully you can see it's full of contradictions to his own rhetoric. But I'll leave that up to you.

    Jimske
     
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  2. Jimske

    Jimske Active Member Founding Member

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    Really sorry about the font. I changed the font where I quoted Glen and it showed up in preview but not in post! Annoying!

    Glen says, "At times, I realize through comments from members/X-members such as Jimske with extreme criticism and humiliation, that I have failed to explain and proffer in clear detail. My response: It is difficult to address the subject of intangible happenings in a random game with the clarity and definiteness as one can do running theory, testing, computer modules and also columns of results with armchair quarterbacking to point out, justify and state with some kind of math or statistical results or even scientific probability results in percentages as to what will happen over a period of shoes. The problem with all of that is, not that the results are not accurate or truthful, those results may or may not come up within the small amount of shoes you will play at a casino. Hence, those results are worthless unless they are common sense results to the most basic questions, etc."

    Are you humiliated? Bottom line is that other than making bet placements that follow the shoe trend there's not much to explain BECAUSE it's pretty much all SUBJECTIVE and, as JK points out, about a staking plan.

    Still waiting for just a few specific examples of how and why yu made a certain bet or parlay in a specific instance. You got a live easy shoe presented above. Isn't it obvious that the Glenda is afraid to say he bet that P because the Playeer side had more than B and the Player is repeating a lot?

    J
     
  3. cps10

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    Jim, I see a stretch where there are 10 Players in a row but not 12. But it seems like a beatable shoe outside of the player streak, yes?
     
  4. Jimske

    Jimske Active Member Founding Member

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    Did I copy his shoe wrong?

    Yeah, easy shoe. He posts the easy ones.
     
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    Not a big deal. Of course he posts the easy ones hahaha. You and I are in the meat grinder and would love these to pop up as much as it does for Glenda!! :D
     
  6. Jimske

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    He's right about patience ad discipline but that's nothing new. usually enough good bias shoes to profit!

    He also agrees that it is highly subjective but that doesn't come out in the final analysis. The way he talks he should have a pretty high win rate but insists that is irrelevant!
     
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    I wish it wasn’t relevant. I spent five hours to win 4.7 units on Saturday. A win is a win but if my win rate was higher I bet I’d be +10 or more easily.
     

  8. Jimske

    Jimske Active Member Founding Member

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    Perhaps but if you are betting a progression pretty easy to lose 4 or 5 IAR which can give it all back pretty quick and force you (or anyone) to make bigger and bigger bets. Nothing wrong with flat bet, picking spots and getting out with a small unit win.
     
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    You’re right. I don’t play a steep progression. And drop off after a loss to prevent long losing streaks. My worst of the day was a 3 IAR loss which was easily recoverable but it was a time when I couldn’t get over the hump so to speak.
     
  10. Jimske

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    Lo of it depends on how many hands a shoe are bet. I bet a lot of hands in a shoe and lose 4 5 IAR on a regular basis but I still don't generally bet more than 4 or 6 units, Today I lose 4 IAR twice and 5 IAR once - Also won 5 IAR twice and 4 IAR twice so variance works both ways.
     
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    You had some good balance which I’m sure translated into some good results.
     
  12. Junket King

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    Did you read the bit were the pathological lair played a shoe that went;

    PP BB PP (the last two bets were the table max) then after 3 sets of 2's, he bets the table max $2k for the up to now repeating 2's to go to 4, followed by another repeating 4 banks (all at the table max). well he has always espoused the need of sheer will???

    Fuck me, this guy is the sum of all Walter Mitty's there has ever been, rolled into one. Glen Allen Lawrence, warra guy...

    And H-Money has transposed himself into some Viet chick :D:D
     
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  13. Jimske

    Jimske Active Member Founding Member

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    No matter way you look for, consistency is everything in my book.
     
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    The guy is blowin' smoke up everybody's butt!
     

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    He claims to have bet the table max against 4 x P's and then 4 x Bankers,

    He has previously stated.

    Capture.JPG

    Treasure Island casino??
     
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    The cat can't keep track of his own bullshits and nonsenses. I thought he was the high roller who couldn't be bothered to grind out 200$ or 1000% per day. What a coconut, hey hey.
     
  17. R19

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    The way I take turning points is strong formations or trends switching to something else or very choppy almost unplayable or seeing strong Bank sections switching to strong Player. This is why full tables go empty in a few hands.

    Not sure about all this entire shoe ties or entire shoe 1 dragon tail over at the xyz casino and AC/ DC spilled drinks all over their guitars crap Alphonse Relax had witnessed over the years.
     
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    Yup you downright make the garnabby seem uber coherent, hey hey!
     
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    Apparently you missed the 'The way I take turning points is...' part of my post. Just wow.
     
  20. Jimske

    Jimske Active Member Founding Member

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    I haven't given up on this thread but apparently Glenda has. Even after being prodded by Lungyeh to "keep them coming" or some such statement Glen has not followed up as promised. I was really looking forward to hear how keeping track of the card values and naturals can help one decide which has a better chance of winning.

    If anyone is still waiting like I am to just get one example of what he bet and why don't hold your breath because with all the spilled ink he cannot make one clear statement. Of course Assym will rattle on within the thread about who knows what.

    :)
     
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