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Discussion in 'Lounge' started by OneArmedBandit, Sep 1, 2016.

  1. Junket King

    Junket King Well-Known Member Compulsive Liar

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    Hillary Clinton has got this despite the best efforts of the FBI's interference. Maybe they are banking on tying her up in litigation so she can't do much. Feeling more positive now than 5 days ago, no doubt ameriKa will do the right thing, leaving the troubled bigots spewing for another 4 years.

    I mean who the fuck is backing Trump? Businesses? Even half of his own party have disowned the tax avoiding, sexist, racist clown, as for the idiots who put him in this position, hang your head in shame, common sense prevails at the end of the day. Go USA USA Hurrah LOL
     
  2. TurboGenius

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    You haven't been looking at the polls have you JK lol
    She's heading down, down, down - burning ring of fire. Ha.
     
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  3. Nathan Detroit

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    NATE SILVER: 'There's been a potential breach' of Hillary Clinton's 'electoral firewall'



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  4. gizmotron

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    Hey Cool, your numbers are accurate except for something I'm sure you don't want known. The undecided, those unaffiliated with the major parties, those people are breaking for Trump. That changes everything. The Exit Polling doesn't take them into account. Their names can't be released for polling purposes. So don't be discouraged and don't forget to vote.
     
  5. KewlJ

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    Such hogwash. Here are the facts, gizmo. In 1980, Reagan won the white vote by 20 percent. That was good for a landslide 44 state win. In 2012, Mitt Romney won the white vote by the same 20 point margin. That resulted in a pretty substantial, 100+, electoral college loss. The difference was in 1980, the white vote accounted for 88% of all votes. In 2016 it is expected to be about 73%. And each election going forward the white vote will represent a smaller percentage of total vote. That is just fact.

    The republicans can no longer win national presidential elections, simply by winning the white vote, especially just winning white men. The RNC itself concluded this in it's "2012 autopsy report". They concluded that to remain competitive in national presidential elections, where a larger percentage of the electorate comes out to vote, the republican party would need to find a way to reach out to and be more competitive among non-white men groups including blacks, latinos, and women. So what did the party do? They nominated a candidate that drove away more of these very groups, that they themselves concluded they needed to reach.

    Now days before the election, you hear the same rhetoric as 4 years ago. The polls are wrong. There is an under-reported section of Trump's key supporters...uneducated, blue color type white voters. Or that this group is going to vote in far higher numbers than ever recorded. It's complete hogwash! This group is well represented.....and they will vote. It's just there are not enough of them to win a presidentail election, with only that constituent anymore. The RNC knew this in 2012 as evidence of their autopsy report. I am not sure why they have forgotten it in 2016? Or more precisely allowed their party to be hijacked by a fraction refusing to accept this reality. Let me state this again as plainly as I can: You can no longer win, being the party of only uneducated white men.

    Yes, I am discouraged. I am discouraged by the two choices I was left with. Hillary Clinton represents everything I despise in a politician and for good reason. She is a career politician, who knows how to play the game and skirt the rules and laws, just as most politicians do. Are some/many of her acts criminal? No doubt. I believe most politicians act criminally and most get away with it. All you have to look at is the personal wealth data for most congressmen and senators. They enter the congress or senate (or state houses or state senates) worth XX amount of dollars, and after several terms they are worth XXXX amount of dollars and that difference in wealth is far more than their political salaries and speaking fees etc. Yet no one questions that the numbers don't add up. Everyone, and that's voters and media, just look the other way. So, I would love to support a political outsider that says he/she is going to shake up Washington. They won't be able to do it, but I would love to support someone who legitimately wants to try. All I ask is that you give me such a candidate that is mentally stable, and that disqualified Trump.

    Again, I already voted. I voted on day 1 of early voting here in Las Vegas two weeks ago. I, and all three of my housemates voted for Hillary Clinton, and that includes two of us that are registered republican. My brother voted for Jeb Bush in the caucuses here in Nevada, so he had a little bit of a grudge "never Trump" attitude to him. I voted FOR Trump in the primary season, before I decided he was just TOO mentally unstable to be president.

    You will probably refuse to believe that I supported Trump as you did earlier, but it is fact. The fact is that my brother and I, are an example of two republican supporters that voted for the democratic candidate because of who the republicans put up. We are two that should have been in the republican camp, but could not. That will be story of this election, played out throughout the country, when they dig through the aftermath Wednesday or Thursday. Likely republican supporters who could not support Trump. And there will likely be another "autopsy report".

    Believe me, I will take no joy in Hillary Clinton's victory, other than the fact that it will be another ceiling broken (much like Obama did in 2008) meaning the highest office in the land isn't limited to a certain ethnicity or gender any longer. THAT will be an important result of this election, but I would have much preferred it was someone else. Someone I had real hope that was going to change things that achieved that. Hillary just represents another career politician and whether the Dems gain control the senate or not, there will just be the same continuing gridlock. This is the way Washington works. This gridlock is a by-product of the lobbyist and special interest groups paying off politicians that is directly responsible for that unexplained increase in wealth among politicians that I spoke of earlier.

    So you will see no celebrating from me. I simply voted the lesser of two evils, in this case the less mentally unstable of two choices.
     
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  6. gizmotron

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    I'll get back to reading this after the game. Did you know that Trump has doubled what Romney got from Black voters so far. Let's see if that number goes up by Tuesday. That alone blows away the first half of your tome.
     
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    There is no way you are a Republican. You are at best a RINO. I still think you are a paid stooge. You use too many code words that tend to give you away. That's that neo-narcissistic controlled rage you call intellect that gives you away. You must have eaten the shit with your Kool-Aid when you voted for Hillary.
     
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  8. KewlJ

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    Let me save you the trouble. Romney was running against a black candidate! It is no surprise that the black vote gravitated to a the first black president. :rolleyes: So Romney got 6% of black vote which is about half of the traditional republican black vote (Bush got 11%). So yeah, with no black candidate the republican numbers have gone back to the traditional range. We will see what it ends up actually being. That is NOT a reflection of Trump attracting more black vote...it is a reflection of no black candidate, so the number is going back towards normal (10-11%). No gain for republicans, just a reversal back to the normal after the first black candidate/president.

    But look at the Latino vote. Romney got 27%. George Bush actually got into the low 30 percent numbers if I am not mistaken. Trump is polling at 16% nationally. Major step backwards. And it is even worse that that because the Latinos are voting in bigger numbers than ever before. Normally Whites lead voter turnout with a number usually in the mid to high 60% range. Blacks vote at just about 60 to 61%. Latinos and Asians traditionally vote at much lower percentages in the 40% or even 30% range

    But Trump's opening campaign words assured Latino' would vote in higher numbers and early voting data is bearing that out. So he is getting a smaller percent of a group that is voting in bigger numbers than ever before. That is just not a good trajectory.

    The Latino vote, was kind of like a big sleeping dog. Trump decided he should kick that sleeping dog....repeatedly! :eek: Remember the scene from the "Wild Hogs" movie with Tim Allen and John Travolta, where they decide to slap the bull on the ass?? That's what Trump has accomplished. ;)
     
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    I see. Typical response. Unable to respond intelligently, you resort to name calling. My mistake for thinking you mature enough to engage in reasonable discussion. Enjoy the election.
     
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  10. Junket King

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    "So, in a crowd full of gun owners, with a speaker who supports gun ownership, someone had a gun?" and he fled, fucking ameriKa LOL
     
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    There is a unexpected situation in Pennsylvania that could potentially benefit Trump in that there is currently a Septa (Phila area transit) strike and all transit in the city is shut down. That could potentially suppress the vote in the city itself, heavily democratic, where many folks reply on public transportation.

    Prior to relocating to Vegas, I lived in Center City Philadelphia, for the first 8 years of my adult life. During those 8 years my local polling place changed 3 times, however it was never more than 2-3 blocks from my home. I suspect most Phila residents are within a couple block of their local polling place (school, church or firehouse), so I would expect the effect to be minimal. However if the Pennsylvania election was close (which I don't expect), that could be a factor favoring Trump.
     
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    I will say that Trump has very high energy levels for a 70 year old man. He has been making 3, 4, 5, campaign stops each and every day. Very impressive.

    But, as I mentioned early, I am wondering about some of his campaign stop choices in this closing weekend. Several hours ago, he had a campaign rally in Reno, Nevada. As I stated earlier, early voting in Nevada closed yesterday and it is estimated that over 70% of the electorate has already voted. Wouldn't his time be better spent in a state that hasn't yet voted?

    From Reno, Trump went to Colorado for a late night rally. This seems an even odder choice to me. Colorado votes 100% by mail. There is no election day voting. So at 11pm on a Saturday night anyone who is going to vote should have already mailed their ballot. So how is he going to win over anyone, when everyone has already voted??? Wouldn't his time be better spent in a state (Pennsylvania among several) where there is no early voting and everyone (except absentee) votes on Tuesday? I mean at least there you have a chance to speak to people that haven't already voted and maybe change some minds.
     
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    So if any of you are confused, let me simplify things for you. A vote for Clinton is a vote for more captivity and a vote for Trump is for freedom. Those of you confused by captivity will find that one hard to swallow. Your first reaction will be to congratulate yourself on how intelligent you are and how ignorant anyone is that disagrees with you. Just to let you know, that's that self made trap that you have set for yourselves. After the election I will still be free and after the election most of you will still be captives, regardless of who wins. It will be good to see if more black voters have selected freedom over captivity this time. That's what I want out of this election. I'm sick and tired of people choosing to be trapped. What do they call that, Stockholm Syndrome or something like that.
     
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    What are you so upset about Kool-j ? We all know that the last minute voters are mostly breaking for Trump. Most of those voters know that they can drop off their ballets at the last minute. It's like all those last minute tax filers that drop off by 12:00 midnight. It's totally worth it for Trump to go after them. I thought you were supposed to be intelligent? It must be that confinement that restricts you the most. Utopia's got a flaw.
     

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    Wow, unKool-j ...

    You made me look:

     
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    You are the one who has become totally mentally unstable and crazed!
     
  17. gizmotron

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    The head of the FBI. Somebody get me a drink. She was careless with classified information but they won't prosecute her for that. But we also know that several investigations about a secret server go to hiding here emails with regard to Pay to Play. So they won't hang her for treason. But they might jail her for the illegal activity of the Foundation. That has not been addressed. We still don't know about the investigation of Foundation. The FBI rank and filer career employees are waiting for the result of the election to see who will be their boss. Then we will see or not if being Too Big To Fail works for criminal activity.
     
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    If that did not wise up some people then what will ?
     
  19. Junket King

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    "It's all rigged, it's crooked, all fixed",

    Sounds like a washed up roulette player!!!!
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