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Baccarat How to control your greed in gambling and stay discipline

Discussion in 'Baccarat Forum' started by BeJustRich, Jul 25, 2019.

  1. Junket King

    Junket King Well-Known Member Compulsive Liar

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    I suppose the option exists to take a laptop and play online (LOL), kinda defeating the purpose..:D
     
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  2. BeJustRich

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    Amazing advice was from gizmotron, about climbing into the rock! well, here you know if you fail you will fall down to the ground (cause you dead). I will think about that next time I will play.
    I want to share with you guys how I play, not the game itself but my discipline plan.
    Normally what I do is 10% a day.
    I put 100u and make 10u a day for the upcoming 10 days. after 10 days I have 200, increasing bet x2. After 10 days I have 400 and after one month I just triple by doubling...100-200-400-800 (took my salary 300) continue 500-1000-2000-4000--->> 8000 (not yet reached)
    You can see my play chart.
    Greed took over when i reached 2850GBP i lost almost everything but very quickly recovered and reached 4400 GBP
    Another mistake I made and I lost it all in 10 min (greed of wanting more chips)

    In general yes I think about it, I am making sometimes like 200-400 or more per day or per 20min of play....someone is working weeks for this money. Same as me, I have job and salary but I wish I just learn to be discipline and control myself to complete my table as planned.

    (In the table red it means loss green it means won and completed the day, white yellow is a plan)

    I have no fear to bet big, sometimes I bet even 500 or 1000GBP per hand if needed (following by strategy which I am playing this moment)
    But right now I am searching best stable strategy for Flat betting (which protects my bankroll) with minimum negative or positive progression depends on the situation in the game.
     

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  3. gizmotron

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    B-Rich, Thanks about the rock climbing. I'm still alive because I quit right about the time I tried one of the hardest climbs for me without a rope. I became bored with common rock climbs and tried free soloing. Incredibly exhilarating and amazingly stupid. I knew if I kept trying this kind of climbing I would end up dead. So I quit climbing rock. I found out in life that craven images of myself were a fool's errands. In that vain I have looked at my motivation for gambling. What is the end result that I want to accomplish. All I want to do in retirement is to keep buying a new motor home about every 8 years and to pay for all my travel expenses. To do that all I need is about $200 per day, 20 days per month. That includes all the tax nightmares here in the states. To reach that goal I take my 18 number bet or my Craps bet at around $70 per bet and I must hit 3 net wins every time I gamble. I play to win every time I go into a casino. I select the best time to place a $70 or $90 bet. I have my own criteria for when a best time is. I tried to share that method but have discovered that I don't actually like the people that I would share it with very much. So that effort is done now.

    But that is just bet selection and timing. Those skills are discussed all over the internet. I don't use progressions because you never know when a sequence of death will kill all the progress. In my American Wheel, double zero game of Roulette I know that the zeros get very active and also get sleepy and just don't hit much. So I use the zeros at times to give myself a better chance and at other times I ignore them because they are asleep. In that way I tend to get better odds. I just look for times when my guessing is good. That is when I place my $70 to $90 bets. Otherwise I'm not betting much to win or lose. It costs you nothing to guess what the next outcome will be. It only costs you if you put money on that guess. There is a huge difference. If I were to triple my primary bet then all I would need is one net win per session. But that requires a much bigger bankroll and it draws a lot more attention from the pit bosses. $5 chips are very common for betting on inside layout numbers in Roulette. They don't get much attention. I only need 7 stacks to get my full bankroll. The casinos I play in have personal table Roulette chips that are typically available in from 10 to 15 stacks. You can buy in at any denomination, $1, $5, $25, $100, or $500. When you max out the table limit for straight up on a number all the pit bosses are watching you and the dealer. So $5 does not get them excited on a busy night very much at all.

    My point is that you will be wise to determinate what exactly you want to get out of gambling. I don't need a craven image of myself. I just need to win every time I gamble. Now my strategy includes losing a few sessions. If my win to loss ratio holds up then I get what I need from this. If I lose a session and it is on par with my win to loss ratio then I don't care much about it. It's the same as falling in rock climbing when you have a climbing partner and the safety equipment catches you. You try again until you make it. I have been bashed to smithereens falling and smashing into rocks in one way or another. But I'm still here because I have accessed the risk and determined that I can survive if I do the right things at the right time. Rock climbing teaches you how to be calm and cool. You should be jumping out of your skin but that stuff just gets you hurt or killed. You need to figure out how to remain calm and cool while risking your paychecks. Around here it's all about playing smart. That's all we discuss here. People here have all different levels of experience.

    You are asking the right questions. I hope you find what it is that you are looking for.
     
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  4. Junket King

    Junket King Well-Known Member Compulsive Liar

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    Probably seeking an adrenalin fix, substitution for the rock climbing.

    Don't we all.. I tell myself, "can't afford to lose", I hate losing (don't we all), as it means you have built up and up, only to have conceded some (all?) of it back, now you need to find the motivation to start all over again. Which can be problematic itself.
     
  5. gizmotron

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    1.) I didn't rock climb, do ski mountaineering, extreme SCUBA, Extreme Windsurfing, Crazy flying for the adrenaline. I did it to become calm while doing those things. Only a fool does this stuff for a rush. The same goes for gambling. Gambling addiction is all about the endorphins and the good feeling. People think it is all about the rush. For me it was all about doing things that nobody else had ever done before. Mt Everest is a joke full of thrill seekers and claimers. Real climbers go over to K2. No crowds, technical almost all the way. There are no tourists looking for a great outdoor experience and some kind of weenie roast. Just brag this. I paid $70,000 to get dragged up the tallest mountain in the world, and maybe killed because too many tourists with zero climbing skill all jam up at the worst possible point. It was so awesome. ...And the biggest lie of all time. It's entertaining to lose money, yippy.

    2.) I have worked on a way to likely win every-time I play. I do this by remaining so far inside standard deviation and variance that reaching my minimal goal is almost always automatic. People are greedy for all kinds of reasons. I learned to deal with mine. That was the challenge. To me that is the challenge most interesting of all. I gamble because it is possible to beat the mathematical odds that we are all told dictates all reality. It does not, and the world is not flat. To me this is just another thing that people don't really do well and most likely have never done before. If they have they are keeping it to themselves. This is about proving that the mathematicians are wrong. It's completely worth trying to do. It's a way bigger mountain than Mt Everest.
     
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    My wish is to win all the time also. I can accept small loses sometimes. My target in gambling to find the solution to beat the odds and also travel and play with my PC or in a real land-based casino.
    I used to play BlackJack and I been blocked in Princess Casino Nicaragua (City Managua) as we just beat them two days in the row by taking out 5000usd per time. (this is was average income for this casino as locals play small bets). Second-day security does not allow us to go in (i was with my friend in there, also a player). This shows me how they do not like to lose! I was happy actually because this happened. But later during the next upcoming months, I figured out that BJ is not the game.
    In my mind is just simple, to find a solution for flat betting and win every day at least 10chips from 100. Or even later when bankroll increases, 1 chip is ok :) this can make you live comfortably. But as hard I try, I still fail...and I am suffering not because I lost 100GBP or 4500GBP which I won. I suffer because I lost time, I lost 1 or two months of building my bankroll. That is the most painful. I lost TIME.
    So the first of August is coming, I will place a new bankroll and a new month will start. I will try to use your advice to think about every bet careful and let's see how far I will go this time.
    Gizmotron, I would love to share knowledge with you and also learn about your deviation and variance :)
     
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  7. gizmotron

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    I have a skill that comes from years of losing sessions. Perhaps I should say blind decades of losing most of my sessions. The thing that works best for me now is in not being attached to a method. When I do that I get more losing sessions. When I look for a thing to happen guess what? The opposite of that thing happens more often. I look for continuations of any trend type or characteristic. I'm a master at that. But the thing that happens the most is the absence of a perceived continuation of a trend characteristic. This is the single thing that drives almost all experienced players away from trend following. The way to turn this around is to notice that the absence of a continuing trend is in fact a trend itself. So I mastered what it looks like when a trend in any of the 50/50 bet selections actually displays no form of any kind. I also see the absence of any trend. This is still trend hunting. It's just a bet selection. It has very little to do with effectiveness hunting. You can put together a betting sequence based on your grandmother's soup recipe. What it will do is provide you with three basic levels of effectiveness. ( people on earth are so sick of this, I must be from Mars) From effectiveness you get (works so good) that you are a monster gambler, works like,"what the fuck is this?" (it's nothing, without any advantage or disadvantage,) and it can be a state of (total disaster.) All these phases come from your bet selections. You use anything you want that is a flat betting mechanism and you watch for the hot streaks in your favor. That's all that happens at a casino. It goes up and it goes down. Just use the ups and downs to get you where you want to go. It doesn't take a genius to figure this stuff out.
     
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  8. BeJustRich

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    Then maybe I am the most unlucky player especially last days, lost 400GBP in last 2 days because I always go opposite the happening. Screen shots attached. The reason why I am very upset and angry.
     

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    Please separate your bet selections from your results. Your bet selections are your method. The results are always a trend too. Everything is a guess because nothing can predict future events. But you can use the same guessing method to create an effectiveness chart that you can read also. Just look at how it is going in real time. This is a now kind of way of thinking. You must always ask yourself what is happening now. That is the only way to flat bet. All I have done is to not pay for every bet selection. I just wait for the good phase.
     
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    It's a good point. I used to look at all those endless graphs Turbo used to post and they nearly always sank to the bottom of the ocean. However they always had plenty of upwards jags as well. I always thought that even when something isn't working, then obviously something else has to be working. It's not just the house edge that made things fall off a cliff. It's more a case that there is a lot more to randomness and how it operates than initially meets the eye. Games may appear to be 50-50, however the variance of all these different types of bet selection can be huge and are you going to be lucky enough every other day to pick the right jag to guarantee a profit before you run out of bankroll? Well the short answer to that is no and so I suppose you eventually have to get around to asking yourself why? Guys like Sputnik tried to get around this with his march. It's why I like to work on a spin by spin basis. I won't follow a bet for a series of spins. It's either there working on the very next spin or it's discarded. But you can't afford to wait too many spins either looking to pick up what's happening because you could be too late. A real conundrum for sure.
     
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  11. Junket King

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    Betting a series of 2, one of 4 things may happen.

    LL
    LW
    W-no bet
    W-no bet

    3 ways to win a single bet and 1 way to lose 2 bets.

    And so it goes on, series of 3's, 4's. Then it comes down to pure MM...
     
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    This happens too. Missing out on an obvious winner is nothing more than an anxiety builder. I miss out on millions of opportunities and I don't care. I'm there to win my 3 to 7 net wins. I never play so close to the streak that I'm married to it. I actually don't know how to explain this. I whittle away at the trends. I don't know how to pass this on. There are no rules to follow. You just bust the casinos ass. This is possible because the casino doesn't mind being fucked just a little. I figure it's just tough shit. I'm going to grind away at the occurring sequence. I really don't know how for others to see this. I see it clear as a bell. I suppose it might be that I know it won't kill me to speculate as long as I don't go on a bender. I always look at the session as the big and only consideration. I always ask myself what it will take to win this session from here.
     
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    That's a skill to see it this way.
     
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    True and that's why I gave up roulette and would never touch the game again. The extreme variance in that particular game can make you feel cursed.

    Actually just thinking about what you posted JK and either I have had too much to drink tonight or it should be virtually impossible to lose. :D
     

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    From day one, I formed the opinion the game of Bacc' was more of a money game, than bet selection. It was Jim who posted the comment "control the loss strings and you control the game", which resonated with me. Considering you can't predict the outcomes greater than 50%, nor does stopping and restarting achieve much either. the next best thing was to focus on attempting to control the LIARs.

    Finding a bet selection that rarely loses and should provide a win way more often than it failures, which basically is a 'given' based on the maths of 127/1. You probably caught the AB thread over yonder, that remains my prime option of choice, supplemented with a bit of "AS" and the odd bit of "FLD" and anything else that takes my fancy buried within the template. I still subscribe to the same belief that I formed back in 2004, it's all about MM, everything else, while it can't be ignored, is just window dressing.

    Sometimes I just wish I was making money faster, similar to what "BeJustRich" posted above, I feel like I've wasted time, I want to get reach tomorrow, yesterday. My head tells me, derivate from how what I'm doing and I'll risk undoing everything, hit bad runs at a higher chip level, then were you gonna go? So at the moment everything is cool and under control, discipline is the order of the day.

    Had a goal of 50 units today, after struggling with the first shoe and dropping 2 units in total, thinking "here we go", casino is going to make me pay for requesting a cash withdrawal last night. Made 1u on the second shoe (LOL), played two more shoes, stats kick home and ended up +72u as I mainly started my first bet at 2u. Feeling very bored, called it a night and to see what is happening on the rest of the internet.
     
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    I tried out a new beer with more testosterone tonight so I'm in the same mood. I think it can't lose either.
     
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    Obviously if you limit your bet selection to achieving a win within 2 bets, you will get hammered, been there done that, suffered the bruises. If you continue any progression, as you should, into the subsequent series of 2 bets, then that is the exact same as playing a series of 4 bets (16/1), were you have odds in your favour of 93% of achieving a win somewhere. However it offers far more options regarding the bet option, especially when considering the expected frequency occurrence of streak lengths.
     
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    ****NEVER SAY NEVER AGAIN ******


    "Shaken not stirred, please "
     
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    Ah heck, I was winning through beer.
     
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    You don't even gamble any-more, you decrepit washed up tool, before you spout, there is a new casino 3 miles away, you've already posted you don't like it. Lose 3 in a row, shit your pants and leave, IDIOT.

    What must be pushing nearly 80 (maybe 90) by now??? Never having contributed fuck-all to any forum, way to go.....
     
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