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Misc Is there such a thing as a "professional" gambler? Are Advantage Players "professionals"?

Discussion in 'Miscellaneous Gambling Forum' started by MrV, Nov 8, 2016.

  1. LarryS

    LarryS Compulsive Liar Compulsive Liar

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    for people who self anoint themselves as "professionals" would indeed find my cogent argument to be "annoying"....
    depends on the side of the tracks you live on.
    And also depends on if one is sober or not
     
  2. beachedwhale

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    LarryS is this forum's example of the Dunning-Kruger effect at work, although probably not in the way he thinks.
     
  3. LarryS

    LarryS Compulsive Liar Compulsive Liar

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    and you are the official manboy of THIS site.

    but not in the way you think
     
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  4. beachedwhale

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    Wowee! What a devastating comeback! You really took me down with that one Larry! :(
     
  5. Mickey Crimm

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    And you have done that countless times to many people in these gambling forums, Mr. Condescing.
     
  6. Junket King

    Junket King Well-Known Member Compulsive Liar

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    Like a dog with a bone, he was banging on about so called "professional" gamblers 7 years ago.


    YAWN
    http://tinyurl.com/gqckh4s
     
  7. LarryS

    LarryS Compulsive Liar Compulsive Liar

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    proof that I am consistent with the truth......and I dont let folks living in an alternate reality sway me.

    Whether its you claiming everyone in the world is a professional if they choose to declare it....or Rachel Dolezal who claims everyone can claim they are of african decent.

    put the 2 of you togehter and the world is filled with bilions of professional african americans.
     

  8. Junket King

    Junket King Well-Known Member Compulsive Liar

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    But will their foreskin still be intact, that's the burning question?
     
  9. LarryS

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    not after its been in your mouth
     
  10. MrV

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    Q: What do a big spender and a leper banging a whore have in common?

    A: They both leave a tip when they're done.



    Q: What do a hemorrhoid and a cowboy hat have in common?

    A: Sooner or later every asshole gets one.
     
  11. Exoter175

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    You don't need credentials to be a professional cock sucker, Larry. There's probably not going to be a school for that, but it is, in fact, the oldest profession known to man, is it not?
     
  12. appistappis

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    wow, you're an expert in sucking cock too, quite the resume...a few quick hits as an AP and then in the mens room.
     
  13. LarryS

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    yes an beggars contribute to society by spending their money at local establishments. Welfare folkds contribute to society by spending their food stamps at local establisments....and allowing people like social workers, welfare office workers to have jobs.

    So no wonder you dont want to get into it. You are a professional, and your job contributes to society. It just has to be declared.
    A simple declaration "I am a professional" and "my job contributes to society" is all that is needed.

    with that logic....no debate is needed.

    So I agree with you.......you neednt go any further....just declare it and step aside.
     
  14. LarryS

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    Its idiotic for anyone to even ask if they can put together X amount of dollars and go into the AP trade. Since there is no standard salary or standard income ...no one can answer that question.

    Its not like someone asking if they should spend 180k on education to be a pharmacist. All you have to do is research the salaries and ask around as to job availabilities....and you can have a well reasoned answer.
    But since there is no standardized salary or anything at all standardized about the trade of AP......how can a reasonable person even expect a yes or no answer.

    Since AP'S are not a profession...there is no professional society to answer questions. There are anonymous people on message boards...but thats hardly what you would hang your hat on. There is no national office to visit or call. Again, just a handful of anonymous people on a message board is about the best you can expect.

    There are no independent verifiable income ranges posted anywhere for people to view and judge if this is right for them....but instead they can find a handful of anonymous people on message board.........and you can just take their word for whatever they say as if it is golden.

    So the dude has 50k saved up....and he is going to make a decision what to do with it based on input from anonymous self proclaimed successful APs......yeah thats smart
     

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    Still off on the wrong tangent. No one I know claims to be a professional detectorist, ever. Again, it's not a job. You picked a lousy example for comparisons. Try again. Maybe professional bowlers or something.

    I don't know what quantifies a professional gambler. Never see them listed in WSJ salary comparisons. My gig is a hobby, and has clubs. Only people I've seen making a living of detecting are sales people.

    Pick on some other group with your weird commentating.
     
  16. MrV

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    Let's try this:

    A professional gambler is an individual whose sole or primary occupation is gambling.

    He makes a good to better than good living from it: over $40K/yr. at least.

    He reports his gambling income yearly to the IRS, and pays income taxes on his profits, the same as others do on their earnings.

    Those who meet those criteria qualify.
     
  17. LarryS

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    thats rather an arbitrary definition

    Is a doctor that leaves his practice to do volunteer work for his church in under developed countries....no longer a professional

    The title of professional....for real professionals is not contingent on how much money they make.

    But for the make believe professions.....there are certain financial conditions it seems that allows the title to be bestowed.

    So for an AP, 40k is the magic number for "professional" status
    For the metal detector dude on the beach....maybe 37k is the professional threshold
    For the professional greeter at walmart....possibly 22k is the number

    And if an AP hits the 40 k threshold his first year, and makes 10 k each of the next 4 years, and stops. He can be considered "a retired professional" Just like a retired doctor or lawyer.
     
  18. MrV

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    A "professional" generally speaking uses earnings from practicing their profession in order to support themselves.

    I posit that a professional gambler should earn enough money to provide food, clothing, shelter, insurance and all the other expenses of daily life.

    No problem if he salts away some money to tide him over lean times (hello, variance).

    $40K certainly is an arbitrary number, but that's what it would take here in Stumptown to get by OK: less expensive areas would justify a lower threshold number.

    A gray area (pun intended) is presented by the myriad retirees who haunt the casinos regularly: they need to meet the earnings criteria as well, even though they have their Social Security, IRA's and the like to pay their daily expenses; just spending most of one's time in a casino does not make them a professional, it makes them a degenerate unless they earn enough to support themselves.
     
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  19. Exoter175

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    I think that's a really solid and straightforward take on this whole discussion MrV, because a lot of these "casino professionals" spend a lot of time in them, but ultimately can't support themselves, and since they are far more prevalent than the likes of Axel, Mickey, and Myself, it becomes hard to truly call someone like us a "professional". The reality of it is, there are likely fewer than 200 "Professional" Casino APs in the world.
     
  20. LarryS

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    So according to those criteria...ANYONE who gets paid, or earns money in an amount that they can at least barely support themselves without outside assistance.....is by definition...a "professional".

    I just recently retired(8 days ago)......and I will no longer be getting a paycheck. Yet I have in my schedule 8 days next year doing pro bono work in my field. Since I wont be making 40k a year(or 50k in the SF region based on your sliding scale)....I am no longer a "professional"

    It doesnt matter to me, because lawyers, physicians, professors,pharmacists, police officers......dont put the word "professional" before their names. You know....I am a professional lawyer, a professional physician, a professional police officer. It seems the trades or jobs that arent professions need that descriptor added. Professional GAMBLER.....professional house sitter, professional walmart cashier, professional walmart greeter.

    For some its just too embarrassing for them to just say what they do for a living without a descriptor to dress it up a little.

    You say you are a lawyer or you are in the profession of law....same thing..carries the same weight

    You say you are a full time gambler........or you are a full time Professional gambler......well then those are 2 way different jobs in the minds of the people who use the moniker, or need the moniker. In this case the word "profession" serves a purpose to dress up the position in life.
    Which is fine......if thats what one needs to get through life with a smile on their face....go for it.
    I can still smile with amusement at them.
     

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