Baccarat Jay Silva Or Dr. Thomas Boch

Well, I can say that blackjack and baccarat involve math notions as well

 

Ok with Bj the edge can be modified and players use a progression to make money, baccarat i've read some stuff in Grosjean 's book but (most of the time what i read is fallacies) and most of roulette stuffs are based on fallacies also.

So most of the time they do it to get a financial independance by writing a book which is much more safe than risking money at the game...

 

There is no money in writing books. And if you think Grosjean is making money from his, you're sadly mistaken!

 

@jbs

Oh really? so if you sell for example 1 million copies of a book you won't make money from it? Are you drunk or what?

I don't think Grosjean made money from his book or not, i said i read in his book that some math concept could be involved in baccarat, that's all...

 

Here you go crybabies..

 

As usually the internetz is full a bunch of know it alls and cry babies so I will show you crybabies a real world example.

Baccarat shoe is closing out strong Bank into the 1 Player type formations. One big player I have played with a lot is playing at the table and another and I get in and go 1 and 1. One decent Bank Dragon Tail then I think 1 Player 2 Bank 1 Player and 2 Bank. I caught a jump to go 1 and 1. As I mentioned the shoe is closing out, wasn't playing too well and not many hands left.... I knew the opportunity was limited!

- Math says keep playing Bank.
- Jay Silva's approach under the recent hands calls for Bank.
- My approach is in line with that and calls for Bank.
- Many strong players would keep pushing Bank.

But I knew the opportunity was limited! so I started looking at other tables. After all I don't want to get jammed into a choppy close out. Big player was engaging but not really playing big. Next hand Bank, and next Bank, and next Bank, and next Bank, and... I got back in and caught 2 out of an 8 Bank Dragon Tail to almost close out the shoe.

- If I follow math... 8 Bank in a row.
- If I follow Jay Silva's primary baseline game plan here... 8 Bank in a row.
- If I follow my approach... 8 Bank in a row.
- Many strong players... 8 Bank in a row.

Big player and I, but mostly I was super pissed at the opportunity that was just blown because I knew the opportunity was limited. If someone is playing 10 per hand is the skill to capitalize on this worth it? 100? 1,000? 10,000? 100,000? You tell me bosses.

Now the difference for all you perfect expectation crybabies and experts that rip on paying for guidance in the game so this is why I would rather be a fucking pro message boarder is.

If the baccarat shoe changed to heavy Player:
- Math is going to fuck you with betting all Bank.
- Jay Silva's approach will switch gears to take advantage.
- My approach will switch gears to take advantage.
- Many strong players will switch gears to take advantage.

If the baccarat shoe changed to some crazy combination of who the hell cares between Bank and Player:
- Math may or may not help with betting all Bank, but could get crushed again.
- Jay Silva's approach will do something pretty strong there.
- My approach will mostly likely do something strong there.
- Many strong players will most likely do something strong there.

So keep crying and crying and crying and trying to throw shade on people that instruct and train others in baccarat because it happens know place else in life so dumb and hack and steal other people's work because you think you are getting the correct information and all of it and whatever who cares. BOL forums and picturez and wordz, and stuffz. These situations happen every minute of the day 24/ 7 in baccarat worldwide but I know... mo money mo problems and wordz.

Seriously, the hell Jay has put so much of an inside look on his strategies in baccarat for free on YouTube, but so many people still cry and cry and cry and cry. Next time you jackasses watch a pro sports game and you see all those coaches and trainers up and down the sidelines just remember you are on crack cocaine and those people do not exist not to mention all the monster baccarat players and poker players and blackjack players and so on and so forth that all play in public and on the tvs and shit.

 

This guy won't train for free, people begged him to be trained and pay him back 2x or 3 fold but no he refused he could generate an army and take casinos for all there worth, he is a scammer

 

Without going into more details as another example, I have met someone who is a highly regarded and highly compensated trainer in an entirely different area. His family has a lot of money as in a fuckload... put it that way. He does not have to work a day in his life, but has a top practice. He works with some of the greatest of all time and people that are novices. He requires a fee for his services, but sure yeah he could charge zero for everyone or who cares?

Or here is a better one. Go to Yankee Stadium tomorrow and tell the coaching staff to teach you how to play baseball and see how that works out for you. You rocket quants are aware that top poker pros in the history of modern poker offer training for a fee? You are aware of this right? If you trained with them would you possibly ever be playing against them? hmmmmm duh er so smart on here and everyone the forum posters are.

Don't quit your day job crybabies and start evaluating anything. You smart guys think that teachers don't do? You smart guys think that trainers don't do? Keep dreaming. Fuck. I spend close to an hour today talking with somebody on baccarat back and forth. This is why I am continually shocked I waste my life posting one character here or anywhere. So dumb people are.

And actually if you follow anyone over the course of time you can tell if they play or not. Also FWIW day job estimator, Jay Silva has been working with a team for quite a while so thanks for the attention to detail and ASSumptions. The total amount he has earned by sharing his knowledge of baccarat and other games is probably a very small percentage of that earned in actual play as well as current potential in actual play. But I know you all are the know it all's and ASSumption Kings!

Happy to be off here any second forever. Never learn much on forums compared to outside this stupid crap, but you crybabies are the big experts.

 

the army pays you for working for them, why can't Jay do the same 1 by 1 if his system works? he could generate armies and take over half the globe playing baccarat team theres billions of poor people around the world dying of starvation, yet this man has a way to beat baccarat and i never seen a player get barred from a casino not even from BJ...

 

put it that way. He does not have to work a day in his life,

Theres alot of people who don't work, called welfare, homeless, social security, start a family and the gov gives you a place to live alot better than third world countries, it doesn't mean a thing

 

Silva is full of shit. He's making money from the suckers buying his scam. Winners play. Scammers sell shit.

 

jbs, you're so crabby. If someone showed you every single hand of baccarat in the future until the end of time in the entire universe in advance and you verified these outcomes over a kabillion hands with infinity hands to go, you would think it is a scam. lol BOL with your delusional fantasies about baccarat and everything else in life. As for the rest of you crybabies, believe the same. BOL chumps.

 

i dont know how many poker players, Football coaches or blackjack players out there willing to charge a fee to anyone willing to learn, i think Ben and Colin from the church team charge a whooping 3 grand for 8 hours of their time, and even then i can still go broke so thats how it is with all these system sellers? Colin has an app for 249$ LOL does Silva have an app?

 

One day you might catch a clue along with your army of people with a consistent views. Look around in life and you might learn something.

I just showed you crybabies a real play example from this past week where paid training would be paid over to the nth degree in less than 15 minutes, but go find your holy grail. I am sure if you keep turning over enough rocks... BOOM you will find it!

 

For those who need an opinion on Dr. Tom's miracle method, here's a testimonial (a real one) from one of his students...

Full message here caught on YouTube before being deleted...


I. DR. TOM BOCH’S FRAUD & BREAKING THE LAW (in a fairly unique and partially well thought out way) I'M SORRY BUT DR. TOM IS COMMITTING SERIOUS FRAUD. THIS VIDEO IS FRAUDULENT AND the Courses are Fraudulent and without any scientifically proven merit whatsoever. A lawsuit is being put together shortly after the posting of this video b/c many people are getting hurt. As an extremely dissatisfied student of Doctor Tom who forced him to give me a partial refund b/c it was clear from my perspective that he had already spent most of the $4500 I gave him in a period of less than 12 hours from day one of training to day 2. THIS IS SERIOUS. PLEASE STAY AWAY FROM DR. TOM. Read below and see why I told Dr. Tom to stop selling this fraudulent piece of information to the public. I HAVE A TON OF EVIDENCE to back my assertions based on the more than a dozen assertions where Tom either lied, or changed his system(s) on the fly right in front of me, ADMITTED to me (accidentally) that his original $750 Home Study Course was essentially garbage BUT that his Hybrid system was great, trying to flip me into another used car lol. Like I said, a lawsuit is forthcoming for the following reasons: 1. I would like to get the rest of my money back, plus wasted expenses that he forced me to expend. 2. I would like to help other students / people get the rest of their money back from Tom. 3. I would like to protect future potential clients of Dr. Tom from being taking for a very expensive ride.

II. KINKS IN Dr. TOMS PERSONA He’s got a great “Aw Shucks, I’m just a sweet old man that wants to help people” and “I’m a real straight forward genuine guy on YouTube & on the phone, & in person”. - Don’t be upset, he fooled me here too. Really well I might add. Very well-rehearsed salesman. Once I saw everything and got the full picture over the 2 days, I began to question Tom on many of these discrepancies and his responses were quite poor, somewhat manipulative, and were meant to throw off more ignorant AND desperate people who don't know better or don't have basic street smarts. Towards the end of the second day, the whole thing devolved into me reprimanding / admonishing Dr. Tom for what he was doing to people. At one point I thought he was near bursting into tears b/c I think I was the first person in a very long time to show him the reality of what he was doing AND HOW he was seriously hurting people.

III. TOM EMBARRASSES HIMSELF AT THE CASINO Listen to this next part which is hilarious at the Maryland Live Casino: His performance at the Maryland live Casino was equally bad. In fact, IT WAS ATROCIOUS. Not because of losing money b/c he only does “Virtual” lol, BUT because he had NO IDEA THAT the dealers and shuffle master machines were creating continuous decks, instead of individual / independent shoes of 6-8 decks that are not being recycled, WHICH renders his system completely useless BECAUSE it is 100% based on the history of previous outcomes in the shoe. THEN HE said, he almost never goes to the Live but that’s not true AND LATER he accidentally admitted he was at the same casino only recently with an all-star student. I HAD TO POINT IT OUT TO HIM. He had no idea and accidentally admitted that he was at the same exact table with another one of his "ALL STAR SUPER SUCCESSFUL" students, and they both did poor and he couldn't figure out why that was UNTIL I pointed it out to him that HIS SYSTEM WAS TOTALLY USELESS at the style of baccarat being played at the table he took me to. LOLOL. I mean you're the professional…guy! You’re the instructor. How idiotic is that? Someone tell me please? LMAO.

IV. BACK AT MY HOTEL ROOM THAT I WASTED 3 NIGHTS ON PLUS 10 HRS IN DRIVING + Several hundreds of dollars… He keeps telling me about these other students and all this (garbage) documentation of other successful students BUT THEN he accidentally tells me that many of those students are ALSO “Virtual” betting, AND they are NOT even using HIS system in the manner in which he designed it to work. LMAO They do variations, LOL. Which is to say either A. They don’t believe in it OR B. As long as Dr. Tom gets paid he’ll say anything under the sun to make you feel like you can win with his system on a consistent basis. He began to curl up and respond somewhat like a child that was caught lying / stealing. It was truly sad to see a 72-year-old man caught red handed like a child. Part of his defense / shtick is that he's an old man. Like he's looking for sympathy and basically his mindset is "I tried" "I gave you useful tips.... sooo just let me keep the money okay?" That’s how he does things. ALL OF THE "USEFUL" Tips are either: A. Common knowledge. B. Common Sense. C. Easily obtained with just a few searches on google about gambling / betting / money management. Moreover, he doesn't even really know the history of baccarat very well. AND he has said that his system will work on craps and roulette, only later to WALK BACK that statement. The things that he said and did were so so pathetic. So much so that I began to feel great emotion and empathy for him, and I wanted to help him. I kept asking him how much money he had as opposed to how much money he needed? I really wanted to A. have him create a REAL system OR b. help him turn his system into something legitimate b/c as it stands, neither of his systems are proven in anyway, b/c it could help many people. I offered to assist him many times. He even told me what he needed for assistance I guess to throw me off. since that time, I have contacted Dr. Tom and he has not called me back and not taken any of my calls or responded to any of my texts. I'm sorry to say, like a little snake oil salesman hiding in the dark RUNNING FROM THE TRUTH OF a. What he has already done hurting many many people, b. What he CURRENTLY DOES WHICH IS HURT MANY PEOPLE, AND c. WILL CONTINUE TO DO, WHICH IS HURT MANY PEOPLE Like a degenerate gambler, he WILL NOT STOP. He WILL HURT YOU AND YOUR FAMILY....AND I fully expect him to try and lie his way out it by saying he's an old broken man with some illness, OR he has dementia, or some other lie to justify in his mind, WHY AND HOW he has the right to hurt me AND the rest of you. The testimonials are from people who fall under a few possible scenarios: A. Extremely lucky to have entered into a few shoes at the absolute right time, WHICH the N.O.R. betting system (or any other) would serve them through the process of surviving or making a few bucks on a shoe. The N.O.R. system is crap also. It is just a basic form of logic in betting which if there is 3 or more bankers or players in a row, THEN bet it. If it chops / switches back and forth from player and banker, THEN bet that anticipated switch. OR he is paying them, OR bartering for them, OR they are completely falsified altogether. I EVEN OFFERED TO ASSIST him in improving the program into something real b/c it was not science based. It was not mathematically tested against ANYTHING other than few shoes and some good fortune AND ALSO eliminating anything related to bad shoes. There were no continuous shoes over a 4, 8, or 12hr period. There was no set 3-5 days at any particular casino. None of it, and if there was anything close to it, he couldn’t prove it one way other the other but his true dark character rang true pretty early that’s for sure. BUT as I told him, he had extremely limited data that was mostly 2nd hand from other people doing all kinds of crazy variations of his system and getting lucky based on the 50/50 principle. NO LEGITIMATE TESTING WHATSOEVER. Only cherry-picking information that suited his needs. There WERE SO MANY DISCREPENCIES it’s unbelievable. AND there is no way he can cover it all up! NO WAY AT ALL. The evidence is beyond damning Dr. Tom. It’s a literal slam dunk in court. LOL. He does AND WILL say anything to cover the fact that his system is NO BETTER THAN you going on your own and betting with any sort of logical and disciplined money management betting system. IT'S A FABRICATION It has crossed the line beyond borderline fraudulent and is playing the odds against all of us based on the reality that the odds of winning a hand is essentially 50 50 of Player or Banker. So, no matter what method you decide to use in life to bet anything in baccarat, you always have a 50% chance of being right OR wrong. Tom admits to having lost all kinds of money on gambling and different betting systems for 40+ years, bla blab bla. BUT WHAT HE DOESN’T TELL YOU…. Is that he is winning all his money back….BY STEALING FROM ALL OF US. That’s his solution to being a degenerate typical losing gambler. TAKING OUR MONEY…. Is HIS SOLUTION. P.S. * Also I would like to thank you Dr. Tom for being such a great guy and buying me lunch 2 times WITH MY MONEY. LOL. (and that Costco protein bar. What a guy!) Is that worth $4500 Dr. Tom? P.P.S. For those of you who want to get your money back OR at least stop Dr. Tom from hurting other people. As of right now, put your true testimonials in the comments of his videos and please contact me through YouTube, and be safe out there.

 

Unfortunately it is scammers like him that are also trawling gambling sites, stealing from peoples posts for new idea to package and sell.

 

following is from his second iteration. I call it Dr. Tom II. Is this what Dr. Tom is still selling? $7,000.00 ?? Sign me up! LOL


LESSON # 1




How To See The Banker And Player Decisions Differently From All The Other Players at The Table: How To Convert To The “B and I.”


Use the RAW banker/player decisions to generate the “B” and “I” Patterns.


B = Balanced (ALL the last FOUR decisions were the same BBBB, PPPP or 2 of each B&P – in any order)


I = Imbalanced (One Banker or Player and 3 of the other)


Take the last 4 decisions:


Here are the BALANCED...BBBB PPPP PBPB BPBP PPBB BBPP BPPB PBBP


In other words, all 4 are the SAME OR 2 of EACH...the number of B/P decisions are in BALANCE.



IMBALANCED is the opposite: 3 of one (B/P) and 1 of the other: PBBB PBPP PPBP PPPB BPPP BPBB BBPB BBBP


Just cover literally with your finger, or in your mind's eye, the last 3 decisions and you will know immediately which side will result in an I and which will generate a B.


For your homework, take two old shoes of around 60 decisions each or flip a coin (heads=banker, tails=player)

And mark all decisions, after the third one because you need FOUR, either B(alanced) or I(mbalanced).


Write the B’s and I’s in the banker /player columns.


Send them back to me for review and if correct, we will go to lesson # 2.








VERY IMPORTANT:


On the Customized Baccarat Scorecard you should make as soon as possible for all practice and live play, you will be noting your EXPECTATIONS for all upcoming betting columns INSIDE the large rectangular boxes under the banker and player columns.



You will be noting up to 4 separate pieces of tracking information in each column: Here is an example of that information:


B or I


+ or –(plus or minus) = the first betting column information

W or L= the second betting column information

.This is simply a “DOT” and tells us what the “W/L” betting Column would be betting:

 

How long you been singing this tune? Still here I see! Ya just can't help yourself, can ya? LMAO

 

Stop the ride! I want to get off!

 

Yeah still here from time to time. I learn a lot from you circle jerkers. I do thank Junket King for the Progressions discussions and not sure how everyone is busting out when around -61 is the biggest draw down I have seen in testing and shoe ended up in the black/ positive.

But when I see all the crazy posts here it's just too much entertainment value. Here is one of Jay Silva's most recent videos on Baccarat WinPro and I am sure you crybabies will cry about this too.




^^^ This post took 1 minute to make. So yeah a lot of time and money spent doing it, bruh. Let me know when some of you run across your first tie like Gizmo did the other day.