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Baccarat Jimske's Guaranteed Strategy

Discussion in 'Baccarat Forum' started by Jimske, Aug 1, 2019.

  1. Jimske

    Jimske Active Member Founding Member

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    Yep, guaranteed to lose UNLESS. . .

    Look, unless a win can be had from flat bet we all agree that it's all about keeping LIARs to a minimum, right?

    Following is my GOTO fixed method I call SFC (simple follow chop). Why make it complicated? It's a 50-50 game. This method doesn't care about anything but how the singletons "behave." Whatever the run lengths are between a group of singles (...XXX y x y XX...) or a solo single (...XXX Y XX...) doesn't really matter. What matters is if the next single group is the same (behaves) as the last. If it is we cannot lose more than 3 IAR and that would be an easy nice win by anyone's standard and probably win even flat betting. But most shoes don't fall into that category. But many behave just enough to get a win (#863).

    So the bet placement a no brainer. Wait for first decision and bet FLD until lose. When lose bet OLD until lose. When losing to OLD you get a repeat then bet FLD until lose. Yep, that's it. Do this forever and you'll come out to the EV.

    But yeah, this bets every hand. If yu don't want to then you're going to have to either guess the next hand after stopping or implement other fixed rules. Maybe fixed rules based on certain doms? Like no bet if a side has not gone longer than previous. Example if P has not gone more than 2 then next time it goes 2 then no bet. . .or bet opposite...whatever you decide. But otherwise just bets every hand. A positive element of this method is that it does jump on the long streaks and chops to win a lot IAR when they occur. What I like about it is that I dob't have to concern myself with specific patterns, I can just pay attention to the singletons. 2222 or 1212 not really a problem as long as the singletons behaving.

    Losing 3 or 4 IAR very common and losing 5 IAR also on a regular basis. The 3 shoes I played didn't lose more than 5 IAR but it can and has. The rest is just figuring out the staking plan.

    I attached 3 shoes. Unfortunately can't upload an Excel file. Too bad because you could just copy and plug in any method you want. 863.png 864.png 865.png
     
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  2. Jimske

    Jimske Active Member Founding Member

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    What got me thinking was the Neural Strategy betting style with this method because 7 or 8 losses IAR not that common and I do get a lot of WLW which with that style allows for backing up 2 in the stream.
     
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    Very very good. To me you are hunting stretches of chop. I hunt stretches of strong sides that also include stretches of chop as the strong side. So 1, 2, 1, 2, 1, 2, 1, 2, 1, 2, is the same to me as 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 2, 2, 2, 2, 2, 2. I love this progression. I'm going to get married to it.

    Best of luck hunting things that continue.
     
  4. Junket King

    Junket King Well-Known Member

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    So what is the nemesis? Off the top of my head is is 2-1's or 2's??

    I looked at switching after a single loss yonks ago, don't recall the exact pattern!!
     
  5. cps10

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    Finding the right progression would be good. It appears that you win 2 IAR very often. In that case, why not institute a progression to include parlays? Seems that if you set a nice profit target, that you could hit it quickly and then maybe adjust down from there.
     
  6. Jimske

    Jimske Active Member Founding Member

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    Yeah well I don't play this right out of the Box although I start that way and continue that way until it shows that It's breaking down. But you're right, it does get a lot of double wins. I generally start with Sox fan parley until I lose 6 units. After that I try to grind back to like 3 units betting shoe trend and Dom's. I'll even throw in a few Anti streak to see if I can get back a couple units.
     
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  7. Jimske

    Jimske Active Member Founding Member

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    There is no exact pattern.
     
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    I have been trying to read the Super Neural at night before bed. Tough to stay awake haha. But I think testing that will be good especially with the Parlay. Hopefully there are double wins there too.
     
  9. Jimske

    Jimske Active Member Founding Member

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    Sometimes it just works out right . First shoe. P 8-3-2-1-1-11- That notation means player starts with 8IAR etc. Ends 11 bankers. SFC.
     
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    If you wait for the first hand and bet follow but it chops, follow the chop but the second hand doubles, bet the double goes to three, but it doesn't? Haven't you just lost 3iar??

    So what's stopping that happening later in the shoe?
     
  11. Jimske

    Jimske Active Member Founding Member

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    I guess what's not clear is that after you lose to a Singleton you'll look back and see what happened last time you lost to a Singleton. So now you do whatever happened before. If the Singleton stayed 1 like xx y xx you do that. If it went multiple then you go multiple and bet OLD until you lose.
     
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    Was just looking at the parlay progression that I had in the past of:

    1-1-1-2-2-3-4-5-7-9-12-16-22

    Thirteen steps for 85 units. Will add up what your profits might have been for ROI purposes.
     
  13. cps10

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    Looks like shoes 1&3 would have crapped out. Back to the old drawing board for me!
     
  14. Jimske

    Jimske Active Member Founding Member

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    that's correct. I never tested a long parley on this style. My guess is it will hit about 80% win rate which is not enough to play straight out. To me the parlay style is just a tool. I can use it anytime any place in the shoe.

    I use money management with this style and any style. Each style will have its own particular nuances as to how to conduct money management. And a lot of the bet sizes depend on my win or loss to date in the shoe. I could give detailed examples of this and these examples would be shoe dependent not fixed mechanical plays. I'll give one just as an example.

    Let's say I need to recoup in a shoe or attempt to make some extra units in a shoe. I already know that with this style to win a parlay I need to either get a repeat of three in a row or I need a chop of 4. So if the shoe is choppy I'm probably not going to go for a parlay. But on the other hand if there are not too many twos in the shoe and a dearth of ones I'll probably try a parlay and I'll try the parlay after winning a repeat to hit that three in a row. I'll probably choose whichever side is dominant up to that point. So I'll wait for that.

    If it's a choppy shoe I won't go for the parlay as I said. Instead one thing I'll do is wait for three losses in a row and make larger bets that I won't lose five in a row. This is really no different then people who play anti streak. Same principle. And of course in the shoe like this I might try the basic anti streak looking at the shoe and guessing what may be the best play given the past history of the shoe.

    JK going to rag against guessing now. Guessing shouldn't be a psychological problem if you decide beforehand what the guess will be a play or two in advance. That way it's no different then playing a fixed placement based on whatever and losing it. So the game is more about betting then bet placement
     
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    I agree with your points. I wonder if maybe a shoe is extremely choppy if it will correct itself later in the shoe as playing for a 4IAR might get you some wins. Maybe wait for a 2IAR and then place your bet. If a 3IAR forms, then either wait for the next opportunity and parlay that or go ahead and bank on a 4IAR? I guess it would depend on which streak has been dominant in that particular shoe.
     
  16. Junket King

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    Not really, I'm starting to introduce more 1u bets doing this.

    True..

    I was wondering this also, if you need 3Wiar, then choppy shoes would be the think to look out for.

    If any shoe starts overtly streaky, you can bet your bottom dollar there will be a "turning point" for OLD at the back-end of the shoe...
     
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    You can bet it will go back OLD!! I’ve been crucified in the past playing the dominant streaks only to have it chop 10+ IAR!
     
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    If you like being crucified then just keep doing what you are doing. Everyone should know this. It always goes from domination to something else. It always goes from chop to something else. I would advise you to get off streaks of any kind on the first or second lost bet. It's over man. Get over it. It is now history. Move on to the next obvious trend. If you have a method where you get off on the first lost bet then all you need is a method to survive single lost bets. It's a 50 / 50 game. You are expected to lose half your bets. Just don't give it away. I play all the characteristics. Having just one trend is like having a short dick. I know you can study Shoes, hands, dice throws, or spins in order to see how different trends come and go. So please stop trying to short yourself.
     
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    I definitely learned the hard way. But glad I learned!
     
  20. Jimske

    Jimske Active Member Founding Member

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    This is why my guaranteed method plays both to win long chops and long streaks. So once again I state that I don't really care about what happens between the chops. Doesn't matter If there's a bunch of twos in a row Or if there's a mix of short repeats and long repeats. A small negative progression will win them all. Then when I come to a chop I just play what it did before. So if the chop goes long I'm on it

    I had one last night where all the chops were multiple except the last play in the shoe. I tried to post it but the pic was too big for the server. I'll try it on my laptop later
     
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