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Baccarat Live B+M Shoes

Discussion in 'Baccarat Forum' started by eugene, Jun 26, 2019.

  1. eugene

    eugene Active Member

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    Feel free to post up your live B+M Shoes in this thread.

    This one was from today (26/6/2019) Birmingham Resorts, UK.

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    A bit of a dogs dinner in many ways. I did manage to scrape a few units from it but was pretty much break even throughout the shoe mostly flat betting. I normally just flat bet the first shoe to get into the groove unless something really stands out. I won't bother putting up the second shoe because I only played around the first 20 hands which were loads of Banker interspersed by single Player hands.
     
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  2. Jimske

    Jimske Active Member Founding Member

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    Is that 6 deck? Not a lot of hands. Not much consistency. Only saving grace is lose 3IAR twice and 2IAR 3 times. Win 2IAR 3 times. So maybe an okay win with progression. Not a great shoe. Lose a few units flat bet
     
  3. bob

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    thanks eugene for posting, your right not a great shoe out of sunny birmo, W L W L L , i stop shoe here on 2 LIAR, i find this saves me getting in deeper, my bet sel is to wait for 1 side to go up by 4 decisions then hope the dom takes flight, which banker did not, i wait for the dom to hit 2nd line then bet it down, so first bet was in column 11. Still searching for a decent way to approach the game.
     
  4. porky

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    30 hits 25 losses started at hand 4. Biggest win 4 in a row early at the start. Biggest loss 3 in a row in the first quarter. Using a negative 1-2 progression I would have killed the second half. Truth is I would have flat betted and quit after the 5th win.
     
  5. porky

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    Oh and mine from today.
    BBB
    PPPP
    BBB
    PPPP
    B
    PPPP
    BB
    P
    BB
    PP
    B
    P
    BBBBB
    PP
    B
    PP
    B
     
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  6. eugene

    eugene Active Member

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    Thanks for the comments guys! Jimske, yes, it's a 6 deck shoe and there were quite a few ties in this one. At one point it went E,E,E,P,E,E and the first three of them were all natural 8. Bob, losing 2 in a row is a good place to stop and re-evaluate because whatever was working has stopped working and it's time to look for something else. Porky, thanks for posting up your shoe! I will see how I would have fared.
     
  7. eugene

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    Not to wind JK up too much, but there were a lot of symmetrical patterns or mirrored hand sequences in your shoe Porky.
    On a basic level, nice early FLD changing to OLD in the second half apart from that 5 hand B sequence. The odd shoe like that can cover a multitude of sins.
     
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  8. Jimske

    Jimske Active Member Founding Member

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    Here's first shoe today. Can a person play a mechanical bet selection that follows the bias? Sure. If it doesn't work out then you can guess the trend/dominance in the shoe to recoup. My go to selection will win different types of shoes as long as there is a consistent element. This shoe pretty simple as there is only 9 chops in the whole shoe. If it weren't for the 9 2's it would have been a LOT better. But no matter; an easy shoe.

    OTH if it was consistently choppy with more 1's, 2's and few longer runs the same mechanical bet selection would win as well.

    BBBB
    PP
    BB
    PPP
    B
    P
    BBBB
    PPPPPP
    B
    PPP
    B
    PPPPPP
    BBB
    P
    BBB
    PPPPP
    B
    PPPP
    BB
    PP
    B
    PPP
    B
    PP
    BB
    P
    BB
    PP
    BB
    PPP
    B

    Shoe 2: PP B PP BB P BB P BBBBB PPP BBBB P B PP B PP BB PPP BB PP B P BB P BBBBB PP BB P BBBB PPP BB PPPPP. Similar bias. Not great winner but good enough.

    Shoe 3:pPP BB P BBBB PPP B PP BBB PPPP BBBBB P BBBBB PPP B P B PP B PP (here it begins to show change so careful particularly since the 3 chop stopped at 1 chop next time) BB P B P B PP BB PPP B PP BB P B P. You should be able to see where the consistency broke up.

    All in all three good shoes. Too bad no long dragons. Could have easily had 10 IAR after the first B 5 IAR; only one P "interrupter."

    J
     
  9. Junket King

    Junket King Well-Known Member

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    Some shoe this, bailed half way through, cos' I reached my target.
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    My W vs L sequence went

    WWWWW L WWWW :D:D:D
     
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  10. Junket King

    Junket King Well-Known Member

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    Go head, bet Banker only,

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    Where's the fuckin' turning points glenda :D:D
     
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    Junket King Well-Known Member

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    I beat this shoe playing FLD

    Won 10 Lost 11, for a 9 chip profit. Biggest bet 10 units, prior to that 6 units.

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    Amazing, can't wait until I get a decent FLD shoe.
     
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    What a crazy shoe for disproving the stats, 4 x streaks of 6??? shame we can't see round corners....

    I entered the shoe at the end of the 6 Banker streak. Was expecting decent chops after those streaks, so deviated from my usual game, won a few extra bets, then got goosed by the B5 streak, stopped after losing 3 bets, then went back to my normal game.

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  13. Jimske

    Jimske Active Member Founding Member

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    Wow. 4 very good and even terrific shoes. Did you cherry pick those? All no stress winners. That's why I play most every hand in a shoe when it ain't broke. When it does break I back off and even quit. There's enough good shoes like that to keep in the profit. The trick is to have the patience and discipline to wait for it.
     
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  14. Junket King

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    I just cherry pick (IMO) unusual shoes. I missed those streaks, but wouldn't have been on them regardless.

    The last one is interesting, because while the bet selection OLD makes mathematical sense, it would have undressed anybody playing OLD against that shoe. BUT the next best option next to OLD, is anti-streak (after 4), which would have beaten that shoe using a Fibonacci with the regress option, biggest bet 13u.

    Spot the turning points :D:D
     

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    Just completed this shoe (time for a break), today's goal reached, time to get out the ironing board...

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    The Blue marks = Wins, the Red marks = Losing bets.

    Thought I might be heading for a 100% strike rate for a shoe, then started taking additional bets.

    WWWWWW LLL W L W L W LL W WW L W LL WW 16W vs 10L

    Another interesting shoe, played straight after the one above, initially I'm thinking should I go all out FLD on this, but repeat shoes are nonsense? Fuck, good job I didn't, how about OLD and stay with OLD until 3 losses in a row, I thought about it, but fuck it, no need to change horses in the middle of a stream, I was doing fine doing what I was doing!!
    Cop out to say, I should have done this and that after the event, not all shoes are like this.


    Turning Points / Sections, real easy to see "AFTER THE EVENT".

    For those interested why I choose certain bets, I was using a 7Column template.

    Column 4 could have been 7LIAR (no drama), instead it returned 3 wins due to my Anti-Binary Rpt method. Then after noticing 7 virtual losses, I then switched to that particular bet selection, hoping that a 127/1 wouldn't repeat again in the same shoe, which it didn't o_O

    As for playing the shoe as it is displayed above, nope, I never play that way and yes it is too easy to look back in hindsight.

    Enjoy
     
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  16. Holodok

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    What is FLD, how to play?
     
  17. Junket King

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    FLD = Follow the last, as in follow the last decision.

    If last hand was B then bet B, if last hand was P then bet P

    Win all streaks, get creamed by the chops, unless your ultra savvy or can see round corners.
     
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  18. Holodok

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    What indicator for you to start?
     
  19. Holodok

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    why not just open the randomizer and choose what it will show if there is no relationship between the fallouts?
     
  20. Junket King

    Junket King Well-Known Member

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    Say what???

    After the first hand of the shoe.

    Like I said above, you'll get creamed, if you're not wise with your money management.
     
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