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Baccarat Live B+M Shoes

Discussion in 'Baccarat Forum' started by eugene, Jun 26, 2019.

  1. Junket King

    Junket King Well-Known Member

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    Gonna disagree with that. I've actually tested 6Col DBL (TBL), it came out positive, but that is by the by (small sample size).

    There are 64 possible combinations using a 6 Column Template, obviously XXYYXXYY are both losers, without checking there are 2 others that also won't return a win, if you bet DBL (TBL), That leaves 60 from 64 possible outcomes were you will grab a win within a series of 4 bets betting DBL. Of course run through the Truth Tables and everything ends up 50-50 (more ammo to justify Baccarat is a betting game)

    Personally (yeah I've used it live, another of my oldies), I think it offers a decent enough advantage compared to betting every hand DBL, if you goal is to avoid losses rather than maximise profit.

    Survival is always my main priority.
     
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    You can't disagree with me with a small sample size!:)
    Why would you abandon a flat bet method that wins more than it loses?
     
  3. JAMESBANKROLL009

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    I re-played that shoe and ended +7 Base Unit.
     
  4. Junket King

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    Kinda confirms if I cloned myself half a doz times, each one would end up with a different outcome. BTW - it's one thing playing it live with 12 seconds between bets and playing after the event. I did miss a few "would be winning ABR bets", due to the higher unit draw-down. I ended up taking both "AM" bet opportunities. As both had failed, didn't bother at all with OLCD.
     
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    100% correct.
     
  6. Junket King

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    Mentally struggling :(

    I've been trying to reach a certain goal for the last few months, I am so so close, absolutely nervy as shit, loads of 1u bets, whereas I would normally bet betting 2 or 3u. Playing way way to cautious, don't want to risk stuffing this up.

    Played 1 complete shoe, W15 L8 all first gear bets +22u
    Shoe 2 - W13 L6 +15u (only played half the shoe)
    Shoe 3 - W13 L5 (again only played half the shoe) +17 (still not got out of 1st gear)

    Was about to jack it in, hopped tables and then this presented it-self.

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    okay, I can work with this, unusual first 19 hands!! ;)

    Time to stop pussying around, few 2nd & top gear bets, (didn't play the entire shoe)

    W=12 L=12, not as good as above, but it was the higher level wins that took me closer to the finish line, +26u

    84u for 3.5 shoes, only 15u to go

    Overall a nice 63% strike rate ;)

    Food time... :confused:
     
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  7. Junket King

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    Oops, it was 35u I desired, not 15.

    1st shoe, a bit of bitch, started well enough.

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    Yep, it's been at least 72 hours since I've seen this crazy shit. This wrecked havoc with the OLCD option, 9L in a row, ouch. That put me into top gear, which kinda loosen me up a bit, pulling 22u from W22 L14

    And only one more shoe

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    And it was BULLEYE, 35u exactly.


    Footnote for jbs (yeah that one)

    (obviously you read my posts) no need to wait until Satdee, all done and dusted 'me old cobber'. I did request a withdrawal and screen-snapped that solely for your benefit. After some consideration, decided to reverse the withdrawal. So don't think it would be honest of me to lash it up, considering it's been reversed. I dislike throwing up pictures of chips, cash, withdrawals, but if anybody has the gall to question my integrity, that's what I'll do. I'm Johno from days gone by on the Glen, I don't do bullshit like al fuckin' relax. Talking of which, can I borrow ya wheelbarrow Glenda, I know your a voyeur :D
     

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    I don't know what you guys think, but to me, this is a another crazy shoe.

    1st one of the evening, annoying as fuck for me, because part of what I do, doesn't like streaks, they stuff up ABR, OLCD and AM options.

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    I mean for fuck sakes. Single, followed by a 2, followed by a 3, followed by a 4, followed by a 5, followed by a 6. You just couldn't make this shit up. And look at the 2nd line hole gap, 1, 2, 1, 1 haha, a Fibonacci betting FLD, biggest bet 5u would murder that shoe, alas I struggled in the beginning (preferring not to change my game plan), only managed 36u despite winning a few over-drive bets . Shoes like this you see everyday in B&M casinos? Who stole the singles???
     
  9. Junket King

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    Noticed this when I first logged in.

    Capture balance 24-8-19bsteak.JPG

    Didn't play it, but it would have given me grief with OLCD.
     
  10. Junket King

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    Really getting fed up battling shit like this, it was running 3 to 1 on the Punto side at one stage, bet options not resolving until the 7th bet due to so many Punto streaks.
    Capture 20B 39P.JPG
    Twat of a shoe, despite pulling in 6u
     
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    The top two Rows ran;

    P-P-P-P-P-P
    P-P-P-P-P-P

    A rather extremely first for my eyes ????
     
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  12. eugene

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    Here was my first one!

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    I am just flat betting looking for 5 units a shoe.

    W,L,L,L,W,W,L,W,W,W,L,L,L,W,W,W,W,L,W,W,W.

    I will start a separate thread charting my experience with proof for the naysayers.

    The quick speed kept me on my toes for sure. I did miss one bet and it was a winning one.
     
  13. eugene

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    I don't have time to run the divisor or figure out G3M1. I notice G3M1 would have got me 8 units if I stopped at the same point but to be honest, I feel pretty confident I can stay in the game flat and grind out some units. We will see.

    edit: Divisor = +6.
     
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  14. Junket King

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    Just wait until you lose a few bets and then have to work things out.

    Nice job, I'm looking at your shoe, all I can see is what the two six streaks are surrounded by. First starts with a double, the last ends with a single, I don't think I could stopped myself having a 1u punt on betting that single wouldn't double, despite Friday [bad habits are difficult to shake off].

    Just finished this one, sometimes it feels like a guessing game of which side will produce the streaks and when.

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    A good shoe for me, 47 'base' units, first bet 2 "base" units.
     
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  15. eugene

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    True because if you are flat betting, you can't afford to make too many mistakes or get that fuzzy feeling trying to figure out WTF is going on, LoL.

    I know you don't believe in 'turning points/sections' However I kind of play it like that. When I looked at Glen's examples, I noticed he generally only had 3 or 4 of them in a shoe. I can have more than half a dozen and so I think my play is a bit more dynamic and kind of 'on the spot' what's happening right now. Things don't get a second bite with me. It's either working or not and when a few plays go wrong, then it's going to be LLL and when things are running well, it's going to be WWW+ That's why I favour something like G3M1. The MM has to suit the bet selection to get the most effect from it. Anyway, I am blathering!
     
  16. eugene

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    L,W,L,W,L,W,W,W,L,W,W,W,W.

    I got hit by a Banker 6 win here and only won 4.5 units for this shoe.

    +11 G3M1 and the Divisor usually comes in a few units less than the G3M1.
     
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    Interestingly the Divisor only came in at +3 for that second shoe which was less than the flat bet.
    Soxfan kind of hits the nail on the head with the bread + butter 1 unit wins for G3M1 on lw lw lw situations.
     
  18. Junket King

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    No, I do, anybody can spot were the shoe has changed when it's finished, kinda useless information, which glenda is renowned for.

    Huh? Why play the half price table, it will cost you more in the long run, than paying the B tax.
     
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    I suppose it's a psychological thing. I just don't like this 5% Banker tax on winning B hands. It really annoys me at the B+M, LoL.
     
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    Final shoe of the 2nd session, initially up and down worst than a yoyo, the mind starts playing tricks, such as telling you they prepared this shoe especially for me, can't hack any-more, it's sending me stir crazy. I think I spotted one of the shufflers actually Riffling the cards TWICE. I've been bitching on & off to the dealers about the poor shuffling procedures, so who knows maybe somebody might be paying attention.

    This is what I class as random, utterly Asymmetrical, bar the brief "castle wall" effect in the middle, but I paid no attention.

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    8 shoes, 166 base, I'll fuck it up to keep pushing for the 200 I was aiming for, best start afresh Sunday, Damn it's Sunday, bad things happen on a Sunday, maybe I'll go to Church before hand :oops: :D
     
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