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Baccarat Live B+M Shoes

Discussion in 'Baccarat Forum' started by eugene, Jun 26, 2019.

  1. Junket King

    Junket King Well-Known Member Compulsive Liar

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    1st shoe today was great, start for a Sunday.

    Capture 34u non-sym.JPG

    Managed to avoid 5 losses in a row at the end of the shoe by not wishing to risk turning an otherwise good shoe into a bad shoe.
    The above is what I determine as Random, bar the obligatory crazy streak at the end. Pulled 34 base from a 60% win rate.

    Spoke too soon, this shoe was fuckin' crazy, ran me ragged. Fuckin' nuts, there are 64 possible 6 hand combinations, using the pulling balls out of a bag analogy, you manage to pull the same ball three times and another ball twice in 5 trials WTF. I was losing hand, after hand, after hand, all in top gear. But God must have been looking down on me, despite not paid his house a visit today. Because after losing so many big bets I got flustered and bet the wrong side, which came in. I never realised I bet the wrong side until the end of the shoe. Jesus Mary Lover of God.

    I was so so lucky, because, despite wining the next bet there-after, would have another 4 bets afterwards, and I was attacking a set of Labby strings aggressively and violently. .

    Capture bet wrong side and Won.JPG

    It is utter utter utter madness in my view. Going back to my picking a ball from a bag analogy, there are 128 balls in a bag and you choose 2, yes only 2 picks and you somehow manage to select from a possible 128 balls 2 balls that have already been selected in a predetermined order. Yeah I know every hand is 50-50, but get the fuck outta here.

    Here is that nightmare of a shoe;

    Capture ROW shit.JPG

    It cost me 25 base units by the time it ended. To be honest, it could have (should have) been a total disaster and requiring many hours in recovery mode. Managed to recoup 22u the next shoe and another 26u the shoe there after. 4 shoes played, ahead by 57 units, which is basically shit, time for a break and re-charge...
     
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  2. Ron

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    I am a new member. What is FLD?
     
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    Sorry. I just realized that FLD is follow last decision. Is OLD opposite of the last decision?
     
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  4. Junket King

    Junket King Well-Known Member Compulsive Liar

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    Follow the Last Decision.

    OLD - Yes...
     
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  5. Ron

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    Please advise. What is AB, AS, and DBL? Thanks a lot.
     
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  6. Junket King

    Junket King Well-Known Member Compulsive Liar

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    ABR - Anti Binary Repeat, it is mentioned in one of the threads (bet selection options I think), AS - Anti-Streak, DBL - Decision Before Last.
     
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    Thank you Junket King. I am still figuring this stuff out.
     

  8. Junket King

    Junket King Well-Known Member Compulsive Liar

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    Third shoe of second session, to my eyes more crazy shit and nearly a complete first for probably 3k ~ 4k shoes I've played playing the way I do.

    It was a decent enough shoe, but the ending!!! I still pulled through and made some decent coin hedging the final two ties.

    Observing this shoe via the Big Road, nothing usual, bar a repeat of 4096 to 1 shot in two areas of the shoe. But I record a shoe via 7 Column template, always have. Wow, that increased to a 8192 to 1 shot and nearly a 16384 x 2, alas it didn't, as it would have been a complete first for the thous' of shoes I've played this way.

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    Managing to eek out 32u from above and 102u for the day, thus far (break time and some scran), I ain't gonna be hitting 200u today, not without taking some huge risks, which I'm trying to avoid, as PROTECT is my prime focus. Get back into it later... What comes, comes, no goal target.

    Can't wait to hit that WITHDRAW button, then waiting to see, if it solicits a phone call!!

    "but you told me to take a break",

    "yeah, but when you coming back" :D:D:D:D
     
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  9. Junket King

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    That's it I'm done, complete, finito.

    Final shoes from me from these dodgy shuffling ********

    3rd session, god damn, I played this in first gear, low bets, I murdered this shoe. This is what Random is all about, I eat these type of "Angel Shuffled", or "Shimmed across the table", shoes for lunch. This is what I want to play, all day, all night.

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    Looks shit don't it, for how I play it was a dream shoe. Was waiting for the Turning Point, maybe the double 3 streak, nope, wrong guess, quick LCD bet recouped the unnecessary lost OLCD bet, because I tried to second guess the shoe. Later on you get the 4 Banco's, I reckoned this might be the Turning Point, yep, it was, so basically switched to FLD.

    The LW ratio ran;

    LW LWW LWWWWWW LWWWWW L LW LWWW LWWW LWWWW LWLW

    W =26 L =9 - 74%, this is the kinda of shit I wanna see, asymmetrical crap, garbage, all low units, but at least I managed to pull in 42 of them, stress-free relaxed.

    I started the shoe, with 8 strings of 5x 2's, and just worked through them.

    2nd shoe, another decent shoe, reckon they might be improving on the randomising of the cards.


    Another decent shoe,
    Capture 2nd shoe.JPG

    W = 18, L = 13, only managing to pull just under 17 units, playing pretty cautiously, already had my fair share of rollercoaster rides over the last month.

    Then the spoiler shoe came, there's always one, waiting, to spoil the fun.

    Capture 3rd shoe 8u.JPG

    W LW LW LLLLLW LLWW LWWW LWWWWWWWWW

    W = 18, L = 11, looks good, but it was the 5LIAR that pushed me into second gear, which I was trying to avoid, but anyway it loosen me up a bit. Despite the 9Wiar at the end, only managed to pull 8u.

    So close, so played my final shoe,

    W = 19, L12 for 30u, which put me 2 units over the line, so stopped playing it. So all done and dusted, I hit my goal, something like 196u over 3 sessions, already requested my withdrawal and left them a tenner. I would love to see that girls face, the one who called me Friday morn, asking me if I needed to take a break, how would I cope if I lost, LMFAO, I've just slapped on a 200u buggeration tax for my pain and suffering and having me work longer Haha, I absolutely would love it if somebody called me back :D:D

    Now my focus switches to a major UK outfit BillyHill. Back in 2010, I used to piss around on the dreaded Roulette RNG FBT's you find in the betting shops. Minimum stakes all I was after was to subsidise my lunch money and petrol to and from work. I got pretty good, winning 18 times out of 20 visits. But on the last 21st visit, I lost my head, got real mad and gave back the last few months profit in one shot. Never played again after that. Dropping £440 on the day, left me £100 in the red. So I reckon, I should go for a recoup of the £440 plus 9 years compound interest at 10%, ball-park a grand should cover it.

    Gonna try and get that completed this week, then attempt to detoxify myself and re-appreciate the value of money, I could eat well for a month in the "real world", compared to the value of some my mouse clicks, crazy shit I need to get it out of my system. Lucky, skilled or otherwise, the last month has been mental, placing £10k~20k daily turnovers, now is the time enjoy and spend, oh after I've reacquainted myself with Billy.
     
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    Already started seeking retribution from BillyHill, the game is slightly different, unable to bet both sides due to restrictions, table minimum is £1 and lowest chip is £1, so can't bet under table minimum to avert the 5 minute timeout, if indeed they have one. The tie only plays 8 to 1, unlike everywhere else in the UK (only just realised it, I've been crossing off 9 units for my Tie wins, never mind). They also offer a game called Lions and Dragons, which is.........

    Casino WAR. Cool, another time perhaps.

    They offered me 3 x £10 bonuses for being a new member, not applicable for table games!!!
    Really wanna knock this on it's head asap, so I can go to the Big Boyz real casino like glenda, but it's still tax free money right, minus the 2 hour drive, eh glenda, I really miss really busy tables, with 36 punters and people leaning over you to place bets, you knob-head.

    Once again battling the abundance of stupid streaks, which do me no favours. Got chatting to one of dealers, she confirmed what I suspected.
    the cards get replaced fairly regular. Straight from the box were they are in deck order, then they are Riffled only TWICE, then clumped back on themselves 1/4 of a deck at a time.

    So you end up with shoes like this
    Capture whore of a shoe.JPG

    When I'm done, I might consider playing FLD at the table minimum using a deep Fibonacci for a bit of fun.
     
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    Three shoes, 1st session, first nondescript +22,

    2nd shoe, back to the craziness, new cards perhaps, inadequately shuffled? :mad::mad:

    Capture stupid.JPG
    Did manage to make 4u from it, but it was a real ball-ache.

    The next shoe (didn't manage to capture) ran;

    P
    BB
    P
    B
    P
    B
    P
    B
    P
    B
    PP
    B
    PP
    B
    P
    B
    PPPPP < turning point?
    B < nope
    PP
    B
    P
    B
    P
    B
    P
    BBBBB < turning point?
    P < nope
    B
    P
    B
    PP
    B
    PPP
    B
    P
    BB
    P
    BBBB < turning point?
    PP < maybe
    B < nope
    PP
    BB
    P

    Not a shoe you would want to play FLD using a Fibo' against :D

    Again struggled, +9. 16 seconds to think :confused::confused::confused:
     
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    That is what I hate about an online Roulette table with nobody to pay off. It's two minutes between spins at a live table with players to pay off. Even a live Rapid Roulette is 1 minute between spins. So I can relate to being rushed.
     
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    Punto, running 2-1 ahead for the bulk of the shoe.

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    What is it with these P dom shoes today, considering the cards get swapped between tables...

    +23
     
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    So many TIES WTF

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    Nar it's the DragonTiger game, ACEs are low and count as 1 :D:D
     

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    WTF

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    Rest of the shoe

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    Why shouldn't a near 50 / 50 decision dominate one side or another? What would cause it to occur on several tables at the same time or consecutively as you move around the casino? Why ask why randomness acts the way that it does as if there is a cause?

    It just happens because it is random. Superstitions tend to hold a person in place. If you think that the sequences indicates a shuffle discrepancy then you will believe that when the randomness turns against you. I had to get rid of all things that would hold me in place in order to become more agile.

    Agility is one of the most powerful aspects to situational awareness. Although I think you think that situational awareness is baloney and that it is beneath you. To each his own.

    What is it somebody suggests around here, "randomness has consequences." Could that be a thing that holds people in place? I think it can.
     
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    Junket King Well-Known Member Compulsive Liar

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    Considering you entire Bacc' experience amounts to 30 mins, I don't think you're qualified to comment.

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    Something fundamentally wrong here.
     
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    Yes, if you are getting an overwhelming bias like these what's wrong is you are not winning a LOT of shoes!
     
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    And only 49 decisions on that last shoe including ties. ???
     
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    Baccarat is basically a coin flip, your own words. I am qualified if this is true.
     
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