Baccarat My full take on Jae's OG and why it works and why it won't

When someone generate a terminal ticket and load it into the terminal and play, there is no suspicion of money laundering. Jae needs to be careful to make sure ALL generated tickets were used and not cashed out. Concerning his claim of NOT losing 2000 units yet, I have reservation on this. OG itself is a structural way of wagering. The probability/ payout ratio does not widen as much as Martingale but does provide a conservative grind solely because of the FLAT BETTING part after a loss. The D'Alembert part is a POSITIVE one with only 1 unit up. The design is for you to grind for that 1 unit. IMO successful OG users are the ones that sees imbalances with BP or virtual W/L and goes in to grind 1 unit win. But to bet continuously NON-STOP on B after waiting for the series to go -21?
Honestly I am NOT brushing it off totally. That bring the question of those LONG Marty users who on paper are deemed to fail BuT there really are very active doing their thing in Macau.
I will be posting some weird plays on B only where I work and they are BIG winners. One were up 4 million LIFETIME just on B with short TIER Martingale. Got to see it to believe it.

 

ROTFLMAO

yep, yap..

 

Looking forward to it.

 

WARNING: My results were obtained by playing Crypto Dice and not baccarat but they confirm the correctness of Craps Marty 5 theory.

One day I played a little with triggers and after 2 days I turned 2.4 casino coins into 10 with with irresponsible game. If it was Bitcoin I could have retired. I started to follow the results more seriously and the next 3 days were great.

So I decided to put some coins on the method and in 15 days I played about 500 games at two casinos. I don't believe in computer simulations, but in situations where I and the casino have something to lose.

The results are as follows:

Casino 1:
Win on 1: 109 46%
Win on 2: 63 27%
Win on 3: 31 13%
Win on 4: 15 6%
Win on 5: 12 5%
Win on 6: 5 2%
and up:

TOTAL: 235 games

WIN: 230 units
LOSS: 155 units ( 5*31)
PROFIT 75 UNITS

Casino 2:
Win on 1: 120 47%
Win on 2: 71 28%
Win on 3: 31 12%
Win on 4: 20 8%
Win on 5: 8 3%
Win on 6: 5 2%
and up:

TOTAL: 255

WIN: 250 units
LOSS: 155 units ( 5*31)
PROFIT 95 UNITS

In short: THEORY WORKS
I was amazed by the consistent results at 2 different casinos with 2 different triggers.

One more thing for the end.

One of the proverbs I try to live by is:
Rule No.1: Never lose money.
Rule No.2: Never forget rule No.1.
Warren Buffett on risk/return

So I recouped all the losses with Labouchere Progression. Twice I had to use over 100 units and once 431.

John Wick often asks how to get back lost money after Marty 5 so that’s my answer.

 

WARNING: My results were obtained by playing Crypto Dice and not baccarat but they confirm the correctness of Craps theory.

One day I played a little with triggers and after 2 days I turned 2.4 casino coins into 10 with an irresponsible game. If it was Bitcoin I could have retired. I started to follow the results more seriously and the next 3 days were great.

So I decided to put some coins on the method and in 15 days I played about 500 games at two casinos. I don't believe in computer simulations, but in situations where I and the casino have something to lose.

The results are as follows:

Casino 1:
Win on 1: 109 46%
Win on 2: 63 27%
Win on 3: 31 13%
Win on 4: 15 6%
Win on 5: 12 5%
Win on 6: 5 2%
and up:

TOTAL: 235 games

WIN: 230 units
LOSS: 155 units ( 5*31)
PROFIT 75 UNITS

Casino 2:
Win on 1: 120 47%
Win on 2: 71 28%
Win on 3: 31 12%
Win on 4: 20 8%
Win on 5: 8 3%
Win on 6: 5 2%
and up:

TOTAL: 255 games

WIN: 250 units
LOSS: 155 units ( 5*31)
PROFIT 95 UNITS

In short: THEORY WORKS

I was amazed by the consistent results at 2 different casinos with 2 different triggers.

One more thing for the end.

One of the proverbs I try to live by is:
Rule No.1: Never lose money.
Rule No.2: Never forget rule No.1.
Warren Buffett on risk/return

So I recouped all the losses with Labouchere Progression. Twice I had to use over 100 units and once 431.

John Wick often asks how to get back lost money after Marty 5 so that’s my answer.

 

right right, just like when Bobby Fischer was asked about a certain opening and he summed it up with 1 word "Weak" and i guess thats how we feel about OG..weak

 

The number six is LOSS. Not win. You typo the text.

For now through my experience playing the game with real money (not simulation) when playing with flat, negative progression or positive progression.

I know a lot of people say flat bet is illusion. In the past i believe that too. But for now, i believe all the type style betting can win.

Just choose the one or two that fit your style that make you feel comfort when playing.

The aspect for me need to improve now : emotion, discipline, focus.

Good luck everyone and stay healthy.

 

Forgot to mention. Why when you still in profit about 170 unit gross from 480 game. You bet 431 unit to recoup the loss. Do you ever think yeah lucky you win that bet.

BUT if you lose that. I think you just digging the very big hole. The mental i think will be mad, frustrate, etc.

 

Your results over an infinitesimal 500 hand sample, confirm nothing.

You mention two bets over 100 units, and a 431 unit bet. That 431 bet alone carries a 21.5 unit commission. Losing it would have been catastrophic. It would also have to be followed by at least a few more similarly high bets, just to get within range of the ultimate goal of a single unit win. No one in their right mind would bet like that.

You are not counting commissions. You claim a 75 unit profit at the first casino. How much of that 'profit' was left after commissions.

What would the results have been flat betting Banker only on the same 500 hands?

 

Dear Ordinary_people.

Meeting someone like you is the goal of coming to a forum like this.
Thanks for your constructive remarks.

WIN 6, of course it was supposed to write LOSS but that's the curse of copy / paist writing. But looking at my analysis, you easily noticed the mistake.

"Just choose the one or two that fit your style that make you feel comfortable when playing."
This sentence of yours entered my folder of famous quots.

Now I checked my excel file and my max loss was 472. I lost to Marty 5 and I was 31 units down. I played Labouchere and not Marty and the next bet was 94 units. If I had lost further I would have had to play 104 units.
Why was I sure I couldn’t lose? At the time, I was with an incredible 18 misses and just 2 hits. I know what the critics think, but it can't go on like this indefinitely. Labouchere need only 33% of hits to win.
I was right. I had 8 hits and 3 misses.
Peace of cake.

The Labouchereis system is such that it is difficult to lose. A lot of times I came back from a couple thousand units of loss and my record was 35,000 when the casino decided to take back my winnings on the Diamond game. I had just under 40,000 units. When I had 5000 left I split the loss into 5 Lobby sequences and in 40 minutes I had my money back.

I know your question. If you can earn 35,000 units in 40 minutes why play with Marty 5 where you earn 1 unit. I earned all those units with that game and to lose everything I am at worst in the beginning. That's why I didn't care. It was at Auto Bet but I think they knocked me down with over 20 misses in a row and it also can’t last forever.

The other day I looked at the Excel file of that game. My question was: Who is this guy? Which fool risks 35,000 units to earn one.

The second thing is the value of the unit. It can be 1 satoshi or 1 bitcoin.
For more money I need to find a more conservative system.

 

Dear Chip magnet

In the quote you see that the results are from Dice and not Bacckarat.

In that sequence Marty 5 worked and I invite you to give it a try if you are interested and post the results so we can compare them.

431 units recovery was a sequel to the game as I didn’t want to lose 31 units after Marty 5 bust and have nothing to do with the above results.

I did what you asked.
Bacckarat flat betting:
Banker: 241 Win, 212 Loss, ( 500 games ), Profit 17 units
Player: 222 Win, 233 Loss, ( 500 games ), Loss -11

The banker was in earnings all the time and the maximum was 19 units.
The Player game was more interesting. It ended with a loss of 11 units but the first 200 were in profit of a maximum of 10 units.

The results surprised me especially the fact that after 100 throws the earnings on the banker bet were 13 units.
If these results can be repeated 13% of earnings is great because there is no progression.

We will continue to test

 

You' re welcome fortuna2021.

Glad to know that i can contribute something positive to another people in here.

We got a lot of character people in this forum. Just get what you think the positive side and just ignore the negative. Because in this world always have pro and contra about something.

About the classic labouchere i know thats powerfull because just need 33% win. But for me when in the wrong timing the bet can go climb very fast and make me not comfortable and maybe one day can reach table limit.

About auto bet. I know what you mean. Losing streak not last forever but the problem is you dont know when the winning will come.

So from what i captured you mean you already got 35000 unit from that game. If i may know how you get that ? Autobet with martingale all the time ?

Sorry if i dont still dont get it. Thanks

 

"So from what i captured you mean you already got 35000 unit from that game. If i may know how you get that ? Autobet with martingale all the time ?"

Of course you can ask.

I’ve played Crypto Dice on the auto bet a lot.
Then I discovered Diamond, some form of poker. The advantage over Dice is that the winnings are from 2X to 50X so when you deposit 10,000 and hit 5X the earnings are huge.
I discovered something else by accident. You intentionally put a lower "stop on Loss" so when you go bankrupt you go to the manual, you play on and I always got the first one.
Until the day I lost 4 more in a row. And that's a loss.

 

Good post. Shame you didn’t do this in a brick and mortar casino. Lol
Cheers

 

Today's games
Dice, 49.5%, Oscar 'Grind

My family thinks I’m paranoid when I tell them I have a feeling my casino is constantly figuring out how to destroy me. Take a look at the data and judge for yourself.

My trigger is 5 misses in a row. This morning in my first game of the day it happened in the first 5 throws. That was suspicious to me so I started with a small base bet.

And I was right. The series of misses continued and ended on another 7, for a total of 13.
When I started paying 2 units I had 4 more misses. In total, I was on 16 misses and 2 wins.
Payments 3, 4.5 were LWLWLW.
Pay 6 again 4 misses.
After a small slack the payment 9 had 2 misses and the cream for the end was 5 misses with 13 units.
I was at a loss of 66 units in total.

I made a short Lobby with 70 units and solved the series in the next three throws.

Those 16-2 happen to me often. What is your worst score?

I am writing this because this session shows the pros and cons of different game systems.

Marty 5, loss of 31 units. DONE
Martingale, play 128 units in 8 steps but it is a hit and the game is over.
Oscar’s grind, my payment after 7 misses was one unit so I literally pointed my finger at my casino if they were spying on me via web cam. The downside was that I had to keep playing for almost 10 minutes and my biggest bet was 40 units.

I tried to put screen shots of this session but I don't know how to put it on this site.
If anyone is interested send me an email address so I can send them directly.

 

Dear Chip magnet
Our flat-betting project is not going in the right direction.

Yesterday games:
Banker: 100 games , Loss 16 units
Banker: 100 games , Loss 20 units


Good start but ......................

 

16 more Player wins than Banker
20 more Player wins than Banker

The first one might be a winner if you use OG. Try those same hands using OG or Labouchere. Don't forget to count commissions. What looks like a 20 unit win could be a loss after commissions.

I don't bet Banker only, but my last 45 sessions combined had 370 more Banker wins than Player. That yields about 70 units after commissions. Two of those sessions were bad for Banker, and would have busted a 2,000 unit bankroll, for a loss of 4,000 units, had I been betting OG.

 

I'm not commenting on the results. I'm just reporting what happened so we can come to a conclusion together.

I play Crypto baccara and I don't have any commissions, They pay me 1.95 for Banker.

I'm sorry that I didn't write the wins/losses numbers and the result - 20 was a net loss.

If you think it's smart, I can throw you 5 times a hundred games today and make a detailed analysis.

In the end I have to tell you that I am sorry because after the first test with 500 games the results were fantastic. Imagine my relief that after insane combinations a plain flat-bat works so well.

 

I'm not commenting on the results. I'm just reporting what happened so we can come to a conclusion together.

I play Crypto baccara and I don't have any commissions, They pay me 1.95 for Banker.

I'm sorry that I didn't write the wins/losses numbers and the result - 20 was a net loss.

If you think it's smart, I can throw you 5 times a hundred games today and make a detailed analysis.

In the end I have to tell you that I am sorry because after the first test with 500 games the results were fantastic. Imagine my relief that after insane combinations a plain flat-bat works so well.