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Baccarat Progressions

Discussion in 'Baccarat Forum' started by Jimske, Mar 15, 2019.

  1. BeJustRich

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    Yes a Little bit suffering because of TIME LOSS and of playing and extra top up of 300GBP which i loss.

    25% column i just forget to change, this column shows total win per shoe/game.

    As you mention in second post that randomness is quite good option to play against odds. I still can not confirm that this what i was doing doesn't work, because the loss of my bankroll was followed of my mistake of concentration.
    I think i will restart today with 200GBP bankroll and will grow by the same conditions. (on first opportunity i will take my 500 out)
    From mistakes we learn something and i will not have stop win per shoe, instead i will use some of stop loss, we will see how it will go. So there will be some bad shoes which will not be completed. Also i will stop the game after 60 hands on first loss after this hand.

    Junket King, i will save your post and analyse a little bit. Thank you for that.
     
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  2. JacobBlaze

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    SHOE2aug3.jpg View attachment 3393 View attachment 3393 View attachment 3393
    JK,

    SHOE 1 played normally with FIBO Regression Reset won plus 20 with high bet of 5, dream shoe, for me and posted in the BM shoes thread 24W/17L

    using the flat bet until -4 from high of shoe won 5, with highest bet of 1, it called for fibo once when it went from high of 5 to a 1 unit balance/


    SHOE 2 was ugly shoe for me with 7 straight losses of my first 7 bets... ouch this i posted below.

    it recovered with fibo regre reset, but won the 34 bet at hand 19, if that is loss i quit shoe at -87 yeahm bad luck and bad player maybe.. but luck kept me in game and recovered to +11 by hand 43 and quit shoe

    but played per JKs post "How to get More from FIBO" highes bet was 5, and when it was on 34 bet as played, it was only on a 5 bet with using the ideas from his latest post'

    maybe not played exactly as posted, but -4 flat betting works for me with the bet restrictions at my casino. this shoe ended up plus 1, and and overall lose minus commision but id rather be at plus 1, then -87 if the 34 bet didnt come in....

    interesting, and more to chew on later.. see shoe below
     
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  3. Junket King

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    The delay makes a world of difference. You demo'd the regress option perfectly. Dropping from 34u to 13u then 5u and 3u., you were probably fortunate to win 4 in a row :D

    The delay had your biggest bet at 5u, you got to remember, it doesn't matter of you have 1u or 55u on the felt, it is still a 50-50 proposition. So I prefer to keep my money as low as possible and grind things out.
     
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  4. JacobBlaze

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    heading to casino and decided to compare the shoe from the other day that got to the 34 unit bet just to compare, this sheet has the same shoe played 3 ways, original way i understood JKs post, the Resetting on profit/even version and finally the newest for me JK fibo delay (no heart attack option)??? lol

    21W 24L shoe played 3 ways

    #1 +14
    #2 +14
    #3 +5

    look at hand 28-37 differences

    thanks JK for sharing your knowledge, having played a while too I know this comes from experience and losses, and table time grinding......


    3WAYS shoe 3 1 aug.jpg

    HAND28-37.jpg
     
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  5. JacobBlaze

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    thanks I'm a good student :)
     
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  6. Junket King

    Junket King Well-Known Member

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    Best I don't complicate it even more

    Nar, let's give it a go :D

    How about those occasions when you really don't want to bet 34u or 55u?

    Recovery!!!

    A required 34u bet consists of the sum of prior lost 13u and 21u bets, so why not attempt to win the 34u but not in 1 bite..

    Bet 13u, if you lose, then 21u and then 34u and go home if LLL.

    If you win, don't bet 21u, rather repeat the 13u bet or bet 8u. Win both? You have just recovered the prior lost 21u bet, now attempt to recoup the lost 13u bet. 8 + 5. Obviously you could Parlay the won 13u? Personally I don't like Parlays, other do. Once you manage to recoup the prior lost 13 and 21u bets, now to need to win 13u + 8u for a profit, or you may just be happy to be where you are and not heading home!!!

    This is why the Fibonacci sequence needs to become second nature, I played this way for close on a decade, I've been there, sent the postcards home. It is also the reason why I use the approach of writing out a figure, such as 10 with the aim of working it backwards down to zero after every bet placed for a 10u profit (there is an image in the thread).

    When it comes to tax free money, you need to be :cool:
     
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  7. R19

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    People will be working on all sorts of variations to modify and rig to try to safely get out of the 6 - 9 losses in a row zone.
     
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  8. shattered dreams

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    I have a question regarding progressions. Do you think by playing multiple shoes at one time will reduce the volatility? So far in my limited testing it has, but I do not have enough testing to make any long term conclusions. For example, if I test looking for 2 bankers, then bet player once on wizard of odds baccarat simulator, I get large winning and losing streaks. However, if I go out to the land casino and go to the baccarat betting terminals where you can bet 2-4 shoes at once, I noticed the running total of wins and losses is always close to even. Sure, there might be one shoes that goes 2 wins, 8 losses, but then there is another doing the opposite. I have noticed this the most on the 4 shoes baccarat terminals. If true for the long term, a progression will work wonders. I can test all day and night on the wizard of odds site, but since I have to go out to the casino it is harder and longer to test the multiple shoe betting terminals. Since we all know volatility kills progressions, this might just work to lower it.
     
  9. Junket King

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    That's about the crux of it... Being able to stretch it as far as possible without it risking the farm.

    Empathic yes... Great question, I played multiple shoes playing Anti-steak, you can hedge your bets, 1 table wins the other loses, bet the same amount, if both lose, if there is a delay between results in a bricks & mortar casino, if you lose at one table, before the cards are pulled on another you might be able to increase the bet. If you win at that table, then perhaps go back to the other table (terminal) and take another bite at whatever it was you were doing. If the terminals are in sync, it would be difficult.
     
  10. shattered dreams

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    On these terminals, I watch all 4 shoes and wait for the select trigger of betting against 2 bankers. I do this to avoid commission for a progression. These tables have a delay between each one. I have not seen any times yet where I needed to bet at 2 tables at the same time. If I did, I would just chose one. From what I have seen, I may bet table 1, then wait a minute and bet table 4, then bet table 2, etc. Doing this, I have not seen any large winning or losing streaks which is what we want for progressions. Of course my ultimate fear is all 4 tables doing bad at the same time. I will have to do much more observing and probably flat bet for a while for testing purposes.
     
  11. Junket King

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    I would take as many bets as you can, you didn't say if you are using a negative progression or flat betting?
     
  12. R19

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    Is there a recommended buy-in for Fibonacci Progression? It is highly productive, but there is always the possibility of hitting a perfect storm. So far I have hit the 55 level a few times. Thanks!

    Loss of the 55 level is 9 losses in a row -142.
    Loss of the 89 level is 10 losses in a row -231.

    One could always cap the progression as well: 1 2 3 5 8 13 21 21 21

    The other initial idea I have is that if you crank through most of the shoe and get into the mid to late 60s then just step down the play to avoid getting into big negative progressions late in the game.
     
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  13. Junket King

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    There are many options, as you point out, lose 21u, don't bet 34u rather repeat the 21u. Or lose the 21u bet, try to recover that, i.e 8u, 8u 8u.

    Or lose the 8u bet (down 19u at table minimum $10, now start betting $25 chips, 1-2-3-5, either way it requires a big bankroll and balls, it can be stomach churning at times. I got raped on Sunday, basically didn't back off and neither did the losses.

    So I gear up to a bigger chip level, W1 Lose 5 in a row, fucked either way, bet the 21u squeaky bum time, it came home, not recommended. I felt cursed.

    To answer your question, a few hundred units.
     
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  14. shattered dreams

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    I am just testing for now, but I use a 2 step martingale that turns into a 1-1-1 labby. I actually have learned a lot from your posts here on how to split bets on them when they get too large. In addition, I use techniques from the midas method too. It is not completely mechanical, but I have managed to get through the big losing streaks that used to cause me to bust out. I wanted to really battle test it, so I used the field bet on craps to make the losing streaks bigger and recovery streaks shorter. I still cannot get it to fail. The problem is can I do this with real money on the line? My largest bet so far has been 13 units which the drawdown was 76 units. That is $760 at the $10 minimum bet.
     
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  15. Junket King

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    I wouldn't use the term Martingale, I hate it, even though I sometimes bet, 1-2-4. With a Labby, you're bets would go 1-2 regardless, so maybe just call it a Labby ;)

    Nice one

    Going back to playing multiple machines, so long as they are not in sync, I'd play as many as possible, they offer a great hedge, those rare moments you might lose them all, but at 1u? A machine fires out the result you lose, you might have time to bump up the bet on another machine, if they wins, then go back to the first machine you lost against and bet 1u. If you were playing the only the first machine, the bet would be 2u. Because of the required speed you need, keeping track of everything, which bets won vs lost, how much do I need to bet next, this off-sets that losing bet. I would write out some Labby's strings in advance, say 3 or 4, all 1's, as bets lose change a 1 to a 2, write over the top of it.

    I've played multiple tables at once, hedging can be great because 1 winning table can off-set a losing table thereby slowing down the progression. They both aren't going to keep losing one would think. Lose 1u on both table's bet 2u twice, one wins the other loses, repeat the bet on the losing table instead of betting 3u or whatever.
     
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  16. RouletteGhost

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    Correct me if I’m wrong. This is g3m1 betting B only

    I just want to make sure I grasp this

    P 1 L
    P 1 L
    p 1 L
    P 1 L
    B 1 W
    B 2 W
    P 4 L
    B 1 W
    P 2 L
    B 2 W


    Based on streaks I think g3m1 is better on follow the last rather than banker only
     
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  17. shattered dreams

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    They are single machines that allow you to monitor and bet on 4 live tables at once. 2 tables have $5-$10,000 bet limits and the other 2 are $10-$10,000, so they are great for large progressions. I posted a video so you can see what I am referring to. You can switch the 4 tables in real time from the same machine. We have multiple casinos with this kind of baccarat in Las Vegas. I do not know if they are worldwide?

     
  18. shattered dreams

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    No, this is not how to play g3m1. Here is the correct way.

    P 1 L
    P 2 L
    p 1 L
    P 2 L
    B 1 W
    B 2 W
    P 4 L
    B 2 W
    P 1 L
    B 2 W
     
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  19. Junket King

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    I've seen similar in Singapore, what is the game coming to :mad:
     
  20. JacobBlaze

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    can you elaborate on your labby method in and how you incorporating midas?

    just had a close call after 9 straight losses so looking for stuff to test versus that shoe, after i lost the 21U bet i didnt bet the 34 unit i went back to 8 (following JKs advide), hoping to win 8,8,8 but that first bet didnt work out so i bet 13, that lost and i decided to stick with 13 again, and won the 13 bet twice which started the recovery went from -74 on hand 39 to only -9 at hand 61 and quit there...
     
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