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Baccarat Progressions

Discussion in 'Baccarat Forum' started by Jimske, Mar 15, 2019.

  1. Junket King

    Junket King Well-Known Member

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    Nope never, a casino ate his lunch and then some, leaving him permanently embittered until he is laid to rest.
     
  2. albalaha

    albalaha Active Member Founding Member

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    Oh really? Which one is that progression by the way? I saw one that I commented upon. Was that one you talk about?
     
  3. albalaha

    albalaha Active Member Founding Member

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    This one is sensible. Now achieving either of them is very difficult. To win more hands than you lose, you need to predict which is unlikely in a random range. Now, the second aspect winning larger bets than loser ones gave rise to all negative progressions. Dilemma is, the same would kill you swiftly when you get an adverse case. What do you opt?
     
  4. R19

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    Positive progression captures winning streaks.

    The best way is to enter baccarat shoes into a spreadsheet, etc. and then play them with different combinations of progressions or simply enter all the data into The Results Smasher which does not exist.
     
  5. albalaha

    albalaha Active Member Founding Member

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    Oh! What a revelation!!
    Play reverse martingale, parlay and reverse labouchere and kill the house.
     
  6. R19

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    Clearly have never played or tested it. So why are you asking severely more basic questions? I already outlined what I am using and what I have tested here and so have several others. What game are you playing? If you are in the very high 40%, but less than 50% strike rate you can still win using positive progression. Do the math.

    Speaking about low limit and fast cycling positive progressions.
     
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  7. albalaha

    albalaha Active Member Founding Member

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    "If you are in the very high 40%, but less than 50% strike rate you can still win using positive progression. Do the math."
    It seems you do not even know the meanings of negative and positive progressions. Which positive progression wins above 40% but below 50% hit rates?
     

  8. R19

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    I do not know the exact number because it would also depend on the positive progression used, but the closer to 50% the better. Maybe 48% ++.

    Just try something out. Once you get into a 20 - 30 full baccarat shoes, you should start to see. Everything depends on bet selection though as well. You can have two players at 50% and one is far more volatile in their performance due to their different bet selections.

    W L W L W L = 50%

    is not the same as

    W W W L L L = 50%

    So two different players with different bet selections, but using the exact same positive and negative progressions can get far different results depending on how and when they go deep into progressions.
     
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  9. R19

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    CLEARLY SO MANY OUT THERE ARE TRYING TO BOX THE DISCUSSION OF PROGRESSIONS INTO SOME SORT OF GOTCHA. ON BALANCE THE TOTAL AMOUNT OF WIN MUST BE GREATER THAN THE TOTAL AMOUNT OF LOSS. THIS IS THE SAME AS ANYTHING WHERE MONEY IS PUT TO WORK. THE WHOLE PREMISE OF PROGRESSIONS IS TO INTRODUCE MORE AGGRESSIVE AND DEFENSIVE POSITIONING OTHERWISE JUST PLAY 100% FLAT AND FOCUS ON MUST NET BE ABOVE 50%. CLEARLY, EVER PLAYER IS TRYING TO ACHIEVE THE HIGHEST STRIKE RATE THEY CAN.
     
  10. albalaha

    albalaha Active Member Founding Member

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    If you think you can easily get winning streaks to ride upon, you are mistaken.
     
  11. R19

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    Unlike some people who have posted recently that claim they have very solid reserve in place and somehow only engage in trends when they really are going to be big, my selection is very active so it is set up to move into trends as they build. Nobody knows how long any trend will last.

    You definitely are conflating a massive positive progression with much shorter cycle ones. There is already enough mention of them specifically in this thread and I have only mentioned other sources so many times.

    I even presented this yesterday and there was zero fucking comment. I tested it and it wasn't that bad. It will get crushed on the right Player heavy shoes though. Modifications can be made:

    8 Tips on How to Win at Baccarat
    By Frank Scoblete
    June 14, 2016

    THE SHORT OF IT THERE ARE A LOT OF OF PEOPLE HERE THAT WANT TO DO ZERO WORK OR GHOST POST TROLL AND THEN JUST SAY THE SUN RISES IN THE EAST.
     
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  12. albalaha

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    Analysing a trend/pattern in a historical data is very easy but when u try to do that in a running session, you know the reality. It doesn't get better than any random bet then. A few people are trying to pose it as Advantage play are doing nothing but fooling themselves and those believing them.
     
  13. R19

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    I'm completely lost by your whole line of questioning. I have set triggers to position a certain way. It is not advantaged play. The only forms of advantaged play in baccarat are edge sorting, maybe some sort of super card counting where you know a lot by the end of the shoe and have an edge on that somehow, or cheating.

    You are basically saying:
    - Baccarat is really hard, but harder with progressions.
    - Poker is really hard, but harder with progressions.
    - Blackjack is really hard, but harder with progressions.
    - Roulette is really hard, but harder with progressions.
    - Doing most anything with high risk/ reward is really hard, but harder with progressions.

    The reality is:
    - Baccarat is really hard.
    - Poker is really hard.
    - Blackjack is really hard.
    - Roulette is really hard.
    - Doing most anything with high risk/ reward is really hard.
     
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  14. albalaha

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    Reality is the hardest that those who can't win themselves and totally clueless are trying to preach others.
    Progression is a double edged sword whose wrong use can bleed the user to death too. Dreaming to win with positive progression is sweet but unrealistic.
     

  15. R19

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    You keep asking hard headed questions and getting real play responses.

    I will repeat this 3 times because clearly you have not processed this yet:

    The total notional win most be greater again the total notional lost. Very high 40 percent strike rate with a basic progression setup is good enough to achieve that. And I do not give a fuck what you think, but you keep on asking the same basic question so flat position then.

    The total notional win most be greater again the total notional lost. Very high 40 percent strike rate with a basic progression setup is good enough to achieve that. And I do not give a fuck what you think, but you keep on asking the same basic question so flat position then.

    The total notional win most be greater again the total notional lost. Very high 40 percent strike rate with a basic progression setup is good enough to achieve that. And I do not give a fuck what you think, but you keep on asking the same basic question so flat position then.

    You speak as if people that play with progressions never have played them or tested them. Really quite the fuck odd.
     
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  16. albalaha

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    You must have played with such progression and lost a lot as well.
     
  17. R19

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    Finding winning streaks and trends with progressions is very difficult, but not with flat positions.

    ^^^^ Not sure if you see what you did there stupid.
     
  18. R19

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    What's up slimes? Today do we get to hear more shenanigans about how xyz thing in life is so hard with progressions but basically kick ass cake walk flat? Do tell!
     
  19. R19

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    That is were the testing comes in. As many have already outlined and Junket King has presented some great strategies in detail, you have to try it. But it depends on how good you are. You have to go through a good number of baccarat shoes to get an idea on what various progressions will do for you given your strike rate.

    For example two players both try the following positive progression on the exact same baccarat shoe: 1 2 1.5 1

    All else the same, the stronger player is most likely going to lose on those 2 unit and 1.5 unit positions. In one single shoe, there can be a big difference and this should continue to add up over time.

    Flat/ flat you have to be over 50% no matter what. The baccarat shoe is the same. It doesn't say 'Oh this tough guy bruh is playing this way, let me shuffle the cards to pull a fast one on them here.'
     
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  20. R19

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    All else the same, the stronger player is most likely going to lose less on those 2 unit and 1.5 unit positions.
     
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