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Baccarat Progressions

Discussion in 'Baccarat Forum' started by Jimske, Mar 15, 2019.

  1. R19

    R19 Active Member 👹 Troll 👹

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    Just so it is clear for everyone. The bruh claims to be the gaming risk management directorbruh and knows that any type of progressions will incur excessive risk over and above flat positions and that win streaks are impossible, but as of today... is also a promising casino magnate type bruh or casino tycoon type bruh or some combination thereof. This is why I am here. To learn from such brilliance.
     
  2. albalaha

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    It seems you r in a habit of passing time by troll and insensible talks only. I never said that any type of progressions will incur excessive risk over and above flat positions and that win streaks are impossible.
    I firmly said that:
    1. Predictions with patterns is not possible.
    2. Since prediction with any accuracy is not possible, winning flat is also not possible, in the long run.
    3. Positive progressions look sweeter and easier way to win but it doesn't work in real life.
    4. Negative progression is the way to go but not something crazy and failure like Martingale.
    5. Variance is the biggest enemy in casino gambling, it could help too at times but one should expect negative one to override.
    6. If you know how to survive the worst of variance with least damage and to win thereafter in average hits, you have a grail.

    If you learn all these lessons today, you will be a good player in casino or else you will leave gambling forever.

    While stating all these, I have a disclaimer that I have never experienced physics based advantage play like cloacking wheel and ball, bias analysis, dealer signature etc so they are excluded from my observation and comments above.
     
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  3. R19

    R19 Active Member 👹 Troll 👹

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    You negative progression only players make a lot of sense.
    #1 There is no way to capitalize on any trend/ formation/ win streak.
    #2 I can only lose so much.

    Let us know when you buy your first casino on October 11, 2019. Calling out bullshit which is non-stop here and everywhere is not trolling.
     
  4. albalaha

    albalaha Active Member Founding Member

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    If you have good pairs of functional eyes and a normal brain, you can see that Gizmo claimed to win 2:1 where I said with that pace I could own a casino in a month. I strive to win in a random game that could offer me the harshest too, without asking me so I may earn even 1 chip a day. If I get 2:1 win:loss edge, I will surely own a casino every month, that I unfortunately do not have.
    If you want to behave like a bloody troll and bufoon without reading and comprehending posts, go on. I have seen enough like this.
     
  5. soxfan

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    The progression that I use in my test of bet bankers only was an 11 step modify star style. I outline the progression and my result buckin up against over 2000 test by hand in my post on testings, hey hey.
     
  6. soxfan

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    You should take anything and everything that the gizmotron have to say with a giant block of rocks salts, hey hey.
     
  7. albalaha

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    Yeah, I can understand that and I m not taking his statement literally but with a hint of sarcasm. Actually, I could not get what he tries to teach but appreciate his efforts, nevertheless.
     

  8. CarloDarlo

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    Junket King. Here is a question. I've been testing a progression along the same lines as what you described. My biggest issue is im running a 8 level flat bet in front of my labby line. Follow by a 2x4 labby lines. I start example 1,1,1,1 if this exceeds 3,3,3,3. I then begin to overflow into the next line. My issue is once both lines have exceed 3,3,3,3. I then started tackling each loss as there own.
    3-3-3-3
    3-3-3-3

    next bet i loss

    3-3-3-3
    3-3-3-3

    (2-1)

    I have ran into a some cases were the loses keep flowing

    3-3-3-3
    3-3-3-3
    (2-1-2) etc etc.

    How do you handle your lines being maxed out and already split down and the losses keep coming.....

    If i add more lines... You will blow out the entire advantage of using a labby line to begin with..

    Even if a bet selection revolves to 50-50 going 7-21 you wont last for the eventual 50-50..

    I know money management is the game. But how do you account for sustaining damages to your lines in the example above.

    I've asked you specifically because you seem to be versed well in labby lines... But if anybody else has any input would be greatly appreciated.
     
  9. Junket King

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    How bad the bet selection must be?

    3-3-3-3 = 12 units.

    You could re-write that,

    1-1-1-1-1-1
    1-1-1-1-1-1 = 12u

    Rinse and repeat...

    Suffice to say, bet selection does play it's part.
     
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  10. Junket King

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    Personally I wouldn't construct a Labby string with only 4 digits, as 4 digits don't provide enough cushion to absorb losses, I would use 6 ~ 8.

    Starting with a string of 1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1, win you first 3 bets @ 1u? LEAVE THE STRINGS ALONE, CROSS NOTHING OFF.
    The number of digits which to absorb losses serves a purpose. Ditto, the number of strings, serve a purpose, I don't run with 4 digits in any given string, likewise I don't use 2 strings.

    Sit down at a table and lose 12 hands on the bounce? 4 or 6 strings of 6 or 8 x 1's will handle that, but don't expect to be betting 1u for the entire session there-after, however 12 LIAR is very manageable at the onset, a bit more difficult if your strings already contain 2's & 3's.


    Here is another alternative.

    Scenario >

    3-3-3-3
    3-3-3-3

    Simply construct a new Labby string underneath.

    3-3-3-3
    3-3-3-3
    1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1

    Win next bet at 1u (cos' you're in slow recovery mode, and "hopefully" your bet selection is designed "to win a bet within a series of bets". Anyway, you win your first bet at 1u.

    Cross out a number 3 and change the string of 1's accordingly.

    3-3-3
    3-3-3-3
    1-1-1-1-1-1-2-2

    IF your bell curve now swings the other way, you might end up clearing a lot of those 3's that exist, without ever placing a 3u bet.


    If you lost the 1u bet, then your string would look like this;

    3-3-3-3
    3-3-3-3
    1-1-1-1-1-1-1-2

    Next bet 2u, should you win the 2u bet, your string would look like this;

    3-3-3
    3-3-3-3
    1-1-1-1-1-1-2-2

    and so on, next bet 3u, if you lose that, I'd be seriously re-evaluating the bet selection, however, you will have to start ramping things up, 4u, 5u, 6u whatever.
     
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  11. CarloDarlo

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    Interesting. Thank you so much for this. I'm definitely going to implement this. I'm looking at streaks of 2 of any pattern greater then 3 within a shoe like ppp,bbb,? (BET B) pppp,bbbb (bet B) if lose wait again then continue adding on with labby.

    Now with the strings are they all fixed strings waiting to be filled? the lets say 6 strings of 8 units. are they all 1's or 0's through out?

    An is there a point when you have to upgrade past 3 or is this going to be running a sort of traditional cancellation system/labby in a sense the line is infinite?

    Thank you again. I like your take on things it is like a Floyd Mayweather tactic. Going in get your hits. If you get hit hard(lose). shell up(recoup) until you can hit them again. Only thing is my units must be massive to make a living doing a slow grind.
     
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  12. Junket King

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    They are 1's not 0's

    All the best selections I have used are "to win within a series of bets", so you are looking at a progression that runs, low - medium - high
    So if your string was something like this, 2-2-3-3-4, first bet would be 2u, if lose, next bet, 3u or 4u, if lose, next bet 6u.

    Basically betting, left side, right side, if lost, left plus right side, with the prior losses forming another sting (unless you have a massive bankroll, and don't mind incrementing into the existing string).

    The premise to two-fold, firstly you are not blindly following some historic negative progression which was designed by some century old mathematician which you have read about on the internet, you are betting what is comfortable to you. Secondly these centuries old progressions such as the Martingale, Fibonacci, Labochere, D'Lam etc, have you in a deep hole before you have to abandon against any bad run.

    My String method performs lots of mini-recoups as opposed to a deep single recoup, which is how I used to play over a decade ago, trying to recover a Fibonacci bust.

    Units don't have to be massive, but it helps if your bankroll is massive. You grind things out, never getting in too deep, if things don't work out, then change gears. From £5 ~ £10 units, redo your strings to £25 units, redo your strings to £100 units whatever.

    Want to win £1000? Why must it be via a single session? If you won £300 per night over 3 sessions, you more of less have your £1000, you have achieved the same with minimal risk, it may have taken longer, but who's judging? I would rather do things slowly than come in betting £100 chips, because nobody knows, I might have to "gear up". Remove the mental pressure from your game.

    £5k bankroll, tactics are still the same, £5 or £10 units, because you have a massive bankroll, you're not sweating on betting 4 ~ 6 units, most players are too impatience, they want it all, now in this session, which is inevitably leads to their down-fall.

    GRIND things out, the casino will hate you for it. Casinos don't like players who remain in control when they are having a rough time and are ultra disciplined with their money management.
     
  13. Ordinary_people

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    @eugene

    Can i get the divisor like you post here. Because already expired. Thanks
     
  14. Zhang Wei

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    I'll post the progessions that I learnt from the old BeatTheCasino forum.

    3 step progessions:
    - 1, 1, 2
    - 1, 2, 3
    - 2, 3, 4
    - 3, 4, 5

    Up 1 unit after a loss, Down 2 units after a win
    Up 1 unit after a loss, Down 1 unit after a win
    You can add M2(the next bet after a 1 unit bet is always a 2 unit bet)
     
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  15. Joey Torres

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    Hi Zhang Wei,

    Very interesting progression. Will you be able to show how are they being implemented play by play.

    Thanks.

    Cheers
     
  16. Roubacc

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    I wrote that thread on progressions when I was a member at BeatTheCasino a few years ago.
     
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  17. Punkcity

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    Just want to say good thread and working my way through this, not sure how I missed this as I read a lot of threads this forum that are not currently on the today page. No problem found it now ish. Cheers
     
  18. Jimske

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    U1D2M2 was Ellis' long time favorite progression. He added the M as an option to increase a winning bet by 2 units in a situation whereby winning. Otherwise it was just U1 D2. It is a D'Alembert variant just like my original post U1D1 and Flat on 2 WIAR. The issue with all these is escalation.

    IMO, JK's modified Labby probably the most conservative and best at reducing escalation. It can be adjusted to increase or decrease escalation and/or risk at will. A problem is that you got to adjust on the fly unless you decide to go with a pre-determined concept. That can be emotionally difficult in the heat of the moment.

    So I prefer a fixed staged progression.

    J
     
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