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What a brilliant explanation ...

8 to 9 months ago, in a thread, I asked the following riddle:

How to reduce losses by 50% instantly without immediate risk?

Well, after all this time, you're the only one who posted the correct answer without wanting to ...

Here we go :

This is where a gear change in chip value comes into play...

... So gear up to $25 but revert to a Labby.

Guys,

This is what we call real Baccarat Professional Player Tools.

Your base Unit is 10 USD, you just lost 20 Units...You gear up to 20 USD, your loss is reduced by 50% to 10 Units.

Is it easier to win 10 or 20 Units ?

You must be prepared to do that...

 

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I kind of agree and disagree on this move. Firstly you are down and losing 20 units. Now you prop up your unit bet 2x. If you win, you are just getting back your loss money, but if you lose, you have just augmented your loss. In otherwards before you even think of winning, you are letting the Casino having a chance to hurt you 2x further.
I personally don't believe in comebacks if one were to do Baccarat as a living. You win a little, you quit. You lose to a certain unit. you quit. This will keep you disciplined. You take small wins everyday to cover your stop/loss and then get ahead. This is call 'taking care of your losses'. This way your approach will have longevity. You should let your win continue everyday and grind back your losses bit by bit. This is why you have to bet $100 unit bets in order to replace your day job.
There are a lot of so call professional Baccarat players who have more winning days than losing days BUT the bottom line says otherwise. The cruel thing is most of the time you will make a comeback and get ahead a little and quit. This actually poison your mind thinking you can do it every time.

 

Nah, a cat ain't gotta use a black chips base units bet to make decent cake. I made a good six figures annual income for many year usin a 25$ base bet. And yes, my shoe win rate with my 13 step parlay style was about 95 percents, so I had waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaayyyyyyyyyyyyy more winning day than losings. And lastly, if a cat has a winning style it don't make no sense to set stop win/loss point. Just set a limit in term of how many hour or shoe yer gonna put in, and stick to it and grind away. It ain't rocket science, baby, hey hey.

 

Wow! A parlay style play with a 95% rate of winning? Whose legs are you trying to pull?

 

This was what I was eluding to in another post. If it has served you well for years, then stick with it and wear the recent clip you took.

 

Hello Sir,

To remain pragmatic ...

I have never failed in the mission to recover my losses in the last 4 years using a Labby.

When one assumes that there is an infinity of shoes to play and that from a mathematical point of view wins equal losses after a certain period of time AND that the need for wins in a Labby is only 33% ...

Unless you have a bet selection that is completely messy, it's a mission that will be successful, it's just a matter of time, patience and discipline.

Patience and discipline is what makes the difference between a good player and a bad player (gambler) ...

 

Maybe so, once the left hand figure is greater than 2, things get real ugly with any LLW runs. You are in a situation where you need to win within 2 bets, otherwise the win doesn't cancel the two prior losses. Personally I use a Labby to start and a Fibo to recover is required.

It certainly requires patience and discipline, too many players after a bad losing jag, start taking additional bet options beyond their normal mode of play, as they slowly unravel.

 

The above statement in Bold is so fake and unbelievable. The most conservative besides flat betting is the Oscar Grind. Labby looks good on paper but if you run into string of losses like LLLWLLLLWWLLLLLLL etc. you will fail.
To boast by having a good bet selection? There is NO one bet selection that is better than another. ONLY good money management. End of discussion.
Anyway, maybe you know something that I don't know.

 

I've used various parlay'double-wins/start style progression with shoe win rates of 87-88%, 90% and the 11 stage modified star style give a 95% shoe win rate, hey hey.

 

I have nothing to prove, I know my results ... I keep a record of my wins and losses and I act in function. I do not systematically take a number on the right and a number on the left together.

I sometimes need time to get there, but I get there ...

I think a lot of players are able to do it with their own systems, patience and discipline and there is nothing extraordinary about that ... Recouping losses is a part of the game...

There is only one thing really stupid about the forums, it is to express negative opinion about a system that we absolutely do not know.

It's your case, you absolutely do not know my system, your opinion has no value or just the value of the wind ...

 

If I sit down for my first shoe and run into LLLWLLLLWWLLLLLLL I can sail through that using multi-Labby strings. If that run occurs when as I put it "my strings aren't healthy", then yes it is an problem. But even that all depends how I'm playing, if I'm using a dual progression, that recovery won't be that difficult, I've over come runs like that easily. As for the higher chip level running into something like that, it simply can't happen (honestly).

You are 100% correct that it comes down to good MM, and players should focus more on designing their own staking plan based on "what if" scenarios. In regards to NO one bet selection is better than another, yes that is also correct when tested against a set of Binary Tables, however, a strategy losing against any series of 2 will lose more frequently than a strategy than has a nemesis of a series of 4.

 

what is the best system? negative? positive? flat bet? martingale short version? waiting for 2 bankers or 2 players and then bet? oscars grind?
when i walk into a casino in my mind i close my eyes and no one has any idea if a flurry of bankers or a flurry of players are coming your way or even the terrible two's no one truly knows i think flat betting and MM is best way to go? if you dig yourself in a hole flat betting it can't be that deep but a martingale forget it!

 

Flat betting won't cut it. Anybody stating otherwise is bullshitting. Short Marty is also doomed, for every failure. The required win ratio becomes unattainable.

After which it's up to you, negative or positive or even delayed.. Nothing wrong with repeating 2's all depends on how your playing

Wish posters would stop equating the Martingale with the game of Baccarat.

 

Exactly! Someone says they have beaten Baccarat betting the martingale, lol.
It doesn't matter what game they are playing. They might as well be betting on two flies crawling up the wall if that's the case.

 

With the marty being a death trap. I also believe the star for me isn't that hot of a play I get a lot of single wins. A negative move to 2 and a prayer seems to work for me. Also the parlay simply is one of the best tools we have risk one win 3 but again comes that two in a row.. However when in a cluster of wins different story. I used the short fibo for a while 2 3 5 8 if I hit the two would parlay if lost 3 up on losses back to two on a win. Now I will single unit until I believe in the pattern kicking it.

 

When I was a newbie the gr8 progression intrigued me

It’s been awhile but I think it was

1 1 1 1 1
2 2 2 2 2
3 3 3 3 3
4 4 4 4 4
5 5 5 5 5

Dropping to first level when up. Negative progression


I never simulated or tried it but it’s more of a “flat” progression. Seems safer.

 

There is a gentleman on youtube named 8 of spades and what he does is test every system side by sidde against flat betting and flat betting and fibanochi did the least worst. Every system failed i wish he would try it on baccarat

 

Seems safe?? First off that was not GR8's progression (another cyber~nutcase, despite being everyone's friend "I was approached to write a book", but not to the same degree as Glenda) it existed long before he posted it, not that he ever used it

I looked at it a very long time ago. It's FLAW should be fairly obvious?

A bust at level 1 you are down 5 units, this means at level 2 you need to achieve a win ratio of 3/1 before you can get back to level 1. Ditto, bust level 2 (you are down 10u), so need to achieve at least 3 more wins vs losses, at level 4 the ratio is 4 to 1. Think about it, for every losing decision, you need to win 4 bets, just so you can get back down to level 3 and so it, once you leave level 1, don't ever expect to return back to L1. Nope, Walter GR8 Mitty never played this way.

Maths can be used prove anything, it all hinges on what you doing. For example, and only as an example, imagine betting one side only. A streak of 12 of the opposite side occurs. If you flat bet, you lose 12 units, if you use a Fibo you lose 233 units.

Anybody either not applying the brakes after 3 or 4L, or not waiting for a defined streak length before betting would be stupid.

Incidently a Fibonacci can survive a low win rate of 27%.

 

Haven't played much this week due to other commitments. But popped online to make some pocket money.

Betting "AS", just wanted to make a few units. Everything is going fine, then I get hit by a long 11 streak and end up negative 13 units, I win a 13u bet, so now I am minus 3. I lose the next bet of 5u and 8u so back at -13u.

I'm feeling dog-tired and wishing I never bothered. I win another 13u bet so back to minus 3u. Not wanting to end a session negative, I continue.
I lose 5u again (-8), thankfully I win 8u, so back to even, less Banker commission. I still need to win 5u for a overall 2u profit according to the Fibo ladder.

If I need to win 5u, why not aim for a 3u followed by a 2u wins, despite having placed two 13u bets. I was becoming acutely aware playing tried, I'm more prone to not mitigating the risk, rather just going for it out of sheer annoyance, which kinda like brought me back to my senses.

So I bet 3u win, bet 2u win, now at +8, lose the next two bets at 1u and 2u, win 3u then 2u, target reached. Bet again 1u lose, bet 2u win, after 26 placed bets, quit at +11.

I normally am more patience and would use Labby's, I was seeking a fast quick easy hit, got there in the end, wasn't happy having to bet 13u twice.

 

Do you have any stop loss?