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Baccarat Progressions

Discussion in 'Baccarat Forum' started by Jimske, Mar 15, 2019.

  1. Junket King

    Junket King Well-Known Member Compulsive Liar

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  3. Jimske

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    If my recollection is correct Gr8 used lengths of 7 (111111), not 5. I think his reasoning was twofold. 1) rare to lose 7IAR and 2) 7 a good number to break up the W/L registry.

    The concept is quite common as a cancellation progression. One can use any odd number lengths but the 7 slows it down. We only advance when lose 4 out of 7. Win 4 of 7 and stay at same level. When win 4 or more any level drop down to previous level regardless if that brings you to an overall win.

    But keep in mind that ALL progressions have the fatal flaw and ALL can use a REGRESSION to reduce escalation. Example for this:

    Lose 5 IAR or 5 units. Win 2-2 now down 1 unit. Regress back to 1 unit.
     
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    Ah, Jimske, you're like a breath of fresh air, so badly needed in these forums nowadays, where truth and facts actually matter.

    You're correct, my Gr8Player's Progression (just google it if anyone needs more info on it) is mine, and yes, I still incorporate it into the sessions that turn "sideways" on me.

    Must be 7 numbers (3, nor 5, nor even 9 will work as well as 7 will) and it can serve the conservative player well, especially considering it is a flat/negative progression combined.

    Thank you, Jimske, for posting your correction; better for those that wish to explore the possibilities of relatively conservative flat/neg progs.
     
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  5. Junket King

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    Fuck me, look who what wind has just blown in :eek:
     
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  6. Junket King

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    :D:D the bitter old man and original WALTER MITTY, still throws in his two pence dig, shit I thought you had topped yourself. I read that on four various boards. When is your book coming Walter, can you even afford / risk gambling any more, or are you trading in your food stamps?

    There is a new Walter Mitty in town, who blows your tales of movie deals, books, being rated to win, betting $400 per hand, way way out the water, you better up your game :D:D
     
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    what we need to do here is figure out the best way to attack baccarat with a flat bet bench marking align all systems side by side against flat betting and see how which one fairs, when i looked up the fibonacci and saw he pushed out over 100 units i saw alot of risk in such a short amount of time, does anyone have any ideas to attack baccarat? otherwise flat bet + your gut would = the same results, Gronbog said reason why flat betting did the least damage to your bankroll because it exposes the least money in a negative game =/
     
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  8. Junket King

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    Flat betting won't win you any money either. You should not suffer anywhere near a 100u drawdown using a Fibonacci, not ever.

    Your statement is the perfect example of somebody who reads about a progression and then follows it to the letter. Why let any author dictate what you should do with your money, do they pay your bills?

    If you sit down at a Baccarat table using a Fibonacci and lose your first 8 bets, did you simply just carry on betting because this is what you read somewhere how the progression runs, do me favour!!!!

    Think, protect, back the fuck off.
     
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    Bbbbbbwwwwwwwwwwwwaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhh, the gr88888one is back! I'm sure glad that the garnabby was wrong and that you didn't off yer self. It's gonna be just like old times, hey hey.
     
  10. Junket King

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    Guessing I'm one of those who received tuition from John, know him on a personal level and former member of a board he ran, can vouch for the guy, not seen many players have the patience and the whereabouts like John, if you have the ears he will explain.
     
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  11. BeJustRich

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    Well, i just tested the strategy 11111 22222 33333 and so on by playing baccarat and betting on the one before last result.
    You can all watch video which proves that this strategy doesnt work:
     
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  12. Junket King

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    How are you getting away with betting £1 at this site, the table minimum is £2 on all the tables, so I take it must be a very old video?

    The reason the progression doesn't work (I did look at it when the silly coot posted it over at GG over a decade ago (maybe somebody can scribble it on his tombstone)), is the that the win requirement ratio as you step up the levels. It will work great IF and only IF, you win a early bets. from memory it gets worst as you progress each stage, otherwise you are doomed. Winning 50% of your bets is not good enough, it is the sequence of the wins that is crucial.

    It is so great a progression that Walter Mitty himself doesn't even transverse the levels, perhaps 1 and 2u bets, that is about it.

    As roberta is probably sitting on his hands reading this;

    Johno aka ad infinitum
    (yeah yeah wishing you the best, your friend, blah blah blah)
     
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    I was making this video and just play with real money to show that this strategy doesn't work.
    In my online casinos, my limits are 1GBP to 10.000GBP max or I can choose another option 5GBP minimum to 25,000GBP max.
    Maybe I just needed to start over once I comeback close to 100GBP balance by not increasing bets by progression. Anyway, I did analyses of this game and shoe, I do not like this type of play, too risky.
     
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    Thanks for uploading your video BeJustRich,

    Hand 59 was interesting. You get to see the cumulative totals bet on both Player and Banker and there was a whopping 1.2k on the Player and only a measly £14 on Banker. It was strange because the sum bet on that particular Player was completely out of kilter with the rest of the shoe.

    I was going to ask if you have a WIN / LOSS record for your bets in this video and I will put them through my Divisor Strategy software. Not sure if you have heard of the Divisor before but it's a type of grinding MM which keeps bets low during the hard times. Quite a few old timers have used it and say it compares well to a lot of the other MM plans out there. I will try and find a way to upload a copy.
     
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    Yes, and I remember this hand very well because the player was 5 and I was happy to win but suddenly they took another card for banker....and all who bet on the player (including me) lost...

    Regarding Divisor Strategy software I would be interested to know about it more.

    Record is below:

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    OK, The good news is that you would be sitting at an 8 unit profit by using the Divisor!

    Your biggest ever bet would be 5 units. Biggest ever drawdown 17 units.

    Screenshots to follow....
     
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  18. Junket King

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    I've got a gut feeling that is feed which is from Georgia, is a generically used by many online casinos. I've seen people win £10k on £2k limit tables. I know they include the stake in the return value, but it means somebody staked £5000 which wouldn't be possible.

    I see players all the time, just waltz in with a single shot multi-thousand pound bet, you can tell by the stats which are displayed.
     
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    Some of the stuff like the 'zero pocket' obviously don't apply to Baccarat and you can configure a Divisor in many different ways however it works pretty well out of the box. It was introduced years ago on a roulette forum by a veteran player named Lanky who was pretty much one of the ultimate grinders reading through his posts. I think it originates from Australia.

    Now the question is how do I upload it because I don't think I can upload an excel sheet?
     
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  20. Junket King

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    Those results look amazing, I recall reading about this over 10 years ago. If you divide by 6, how and when do you come back?

    Yep Lanky is the originator from Oz....

    PM the admin ref: uploading...
     
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