Baccarat Proof that Jae's OG System is Validated

You know what? The Vig has to be wrong. The software is kicking out some very strange values.

 

Does that mean it busted at 165000? 1650 units?
Or did it assume you would write a check for the 35k?
Did your program have a running total of the session bankroll to make sure it didn't make a bet it couldn't cover? Like say, all the bets accounting for the last 30,000 dollars or so of bets?
Quite possible you are missing several busted BRs.
Baccaritic

 

Here is a series with the vig very high. It can be checked line by line for accuracy:

Code:

1 hands, Virtual bets total = -100 -- Player @ 100 bet
2 hands, Virtual bets total = -200 -- Player @ 100 bet
3 hands, Virtual bets total = -100 -- Banker @ 100 bet
4 hands, Virtual bets total = 100 -- Banker @ 100 bet
5 hands, Virtual bets total = 100 -- Banker @ 100 bet
6 hands, Virtual bets total = 0 -- Player @ 100 bet
7 hands, Virtual bets total = 100 -- Banker @ 100 bet
8 hands, Virtual bets total = 0 -- Player @ 100 bet
9 hands, Virtual bets total = 100 -- Banker @ 100 bet
10 hands, Virtual bets total = 100 -- Banker @ 100 bet
11 hands, Virtual bets total = 0 -- Player @ 100 bet
12 hands, Virtual bets total = 100 -- Banker @ 100 bet
13 hands, Virtual bets total = 100 -- Banker @ 100 bet
14 hands, Virtual bets total = 0 -- Player @ 100 bet
15 hands, Virtual bets total = 100 -- Banker @ 100 bet
16 hands, Virtual bets total = 0 -- Player @ 100 bet
17 hands, Virtual bets total = 100 -- Banker @ 100 bet
18 hands, Virtual bets total = 0 -- Player @ 100 bet
19 hands, Virtual bets total = 100 -- Banker @ 100 bet
20 hands, Virtual bets total = 0 -- Player @ 100 bet
21 hands, Virtual bets total = 100 -- Banker @ 100 bet
22 hands, Virtual bets total = 0 -- Player @ 100 bet
23 hands, Virtual bets total = -100 -- Player @ 100 bet
24 hands, Virtual bets total = -200 -- Player @ 100 bet
25 hands, Virtual bets total = -100 -- Banker @ 100 bet
26 hands, Virtual bets total = -300 -- Player @ 200 bet
27 hands, Virtual bets total = 100 -- Banker @ 100 bet
28 hands, Virtual bets total = 100 -- Banker @ 100 bet
29 hands, Virtual bets total = 100 -- Banker @ 100 bet
30 hands, Virtual bets total = 100 -- Banker @ 100 bet
31 hands, Virtual bets total = 100 -- Banker @ 100 bet
32 hands, Virtual bets total = 100 -- Banker @ 100 bet
33 hands, Virtual bets total = 0 -- Player @ 100 bet
34 hands, Virtual bets total = 100 -- Banker @ 100 bet
35 hands, Virtual bets total = 100 -- Banker @ 100 bet
36 hands, Virtual bets total = 0 -- Player @ 100 bet
37 hands, Virtual bets total = -100 -- Player @ 100 bet
38 hands, Virtual bets total = 100 -- Banker @ 100 bet
39 hands, Virtual bets total = 0 -- Player @ 100 bet
40 hands, Virtual bets total = 100 -- Banker @ 100 bet
41 hands, Virtual bets total = 0 -- Player @ 100 bet
42 hands, Virtual bets total = -100 -- Player @ 100 bet
43 hands, Virtual bets total = -200 -- Player @ 100 bet
44 hands, Virtual bets total = -100 -- Banker @ 100 bet
45 hands, Virtual bets total = -300 -- Player @ 200 bet
46 hands, Virtual bets total = -500 -- Player @ 200 bet
47 hands, Virtual bets total = -700 -- Player @ 200 bet
48 hands, Virtual bets total = -900 -- Player @ 200 bet
49 hands, Virtual bets total = -800 -- Banker @ 200 bet
50 hands, Virtual bets total = -1100 -- Player @ 300 bet
51 hands, Virtual bets total = -1400 -- Player @ 300 bet
52 hands, Virtual bets total = -1700 -- Player @ 300 bet
53 hands, Virtual bets total = -1500 -- Banker @ 300 bet
54 hands, Virtual bets total = -1900 -- Player @ 400 bet
55 hands, Virtual bets total = -2000 -- Player @ 100 bet
56 hands, Real bets total = 100 -- Vig so far = 5 -- Banker @ 100 bet
57 hands, Real bets total = 300 -- Vig so far = 15 -- Banker @ 200 bet
58 hands, Real bets total = 0 -- Vig so far = 15 -- Player @ 300 bet
59 hands, Real bets total = -300 -- Vig so far = 15 -- Player @ 300 bet
60 hands, Real bets total = -600 -- Vig so far = 15 -- Player @ 300 bet
61 hands, Real bets total = -300 -- Vig so far = 30 -- Banker @ 300 bet
62 hands, Real bets total = 100 -- Vig so far = 50 -- Banker @ 400 bet
63 hands, Real bets total = 600 -- Vig so far = 75 -- Banker @ 500 bet
64 hands, Real bets total = 0 -- Vig so far = 75 -- Player @ 600 bet
65 hands, Real bets total = 600 -- Vig so far = 105 -- Banker @ 600 bet
66 hands, Real bets total = -100 -- Vig so far = 105 -- Player @ 700 bet
67 hands, Real bets total = -800 -- Vig so far = 105 -- Player @ 700 bet
68 hands, Real bets total = -1500 -- Vig so far = 105 -- Player @ 700 bet
69 hands, Real bets total = -2200 -- Vig so far = 105 -- Player @ 700 bet
70 hands, Real bets total = -2900 -- Vig so far = 105 -- Player @ 700 bet
71 hands, Real bets total = -2200 -- Vig so far = 140 -- Banker @ 700 bet
72 hands, Real bets total = -3000 -- Vig so far = 140 -- Player @ 800 bet
73 hands, Real bets total = -3800 -- Vig so far = 140 -- Player @ 800 bet
74 hands, Real bets total = -4600 -- Vig so far = 140 -- Player @ 800 bet
75 hands, Real bets total = -5400 -- Vig so far = 140 -- Player @ 800 bet
76 hands, Real bets total = -6200 -- Vig so far = 140 -- Player @ 800 bet
77 hands, Real bets total = -5400 -- Vig so far = 180 -- Banker @ 800 bet
78 hands, Real bets total = -4500 -- Vig so far = 225 -- Banker @ 900 bet
79 hands, Real bets total = -3500 -- Vig so far = 275 -- Banker @ 1000 bet
80 hands, Real bets total = -4600 -- Vig so far = 275 -- Player @ 1100 bet
81 hands, Real bets total = -5700 -- Vig so far = 275 -- Player @ 1100 bet
82 hands, Real bets total = -4600 -- Vig so far = 330 -- Banker @ 1100 bet
83 hands, Real bets total = -5800 -- Vig so far = 330 -- Player @ 1200 bet
84 hands, Real bets total = -7000 -- Vig so far = 330 -- Player @ 1200 bet
85 hands, Real bets total = -5800 -- Vig so far = 390 -- Banker @ 1200 bet
86 hands, Real bets total = -7100 -- Vig so far = 390 -- Player @ 1300 bet
87 hands, Real bets total = -8400 -- Vig so far = 390 -- Player @ 1300 bet
88 hands, Real bets total = -7100 -- Vig so far = 455 -- Banker @ 1300 bet
89 hands, Real bets total = -5700 -- Vig so far = 525 -- Banker @ 1400 bet
90 hands, Real bets total = -4200 -- Vig so far = 600 -- Banker @ 1500 bet
91 hands, Real bets total = -5800 -- Vig so far = 600 -- Player @ 1600 bet
92 hands, Real bets total = -4200 -- Vig so far = 680 -- Banker @ 1600 bet
93 hands, Real bets total = -5900 -- Vig so far = 680 -- Player @ 1700 bet
94 hands, Real bets total = -7600 -- Vig so far = 680 -- Player @ 1700 bet
95 hands, Real bets total = -9300 -- Vig so far = 680 -- Player @ 1700 bet
96 hands, Real bets total = -7600 -- Vig so far = 765 -- Banker @ 1700 bet
97 hands, Real bets total = -5800 -- Vig so far = 855 -- Banker @ 1800 bet
98 hands, Real bets total = -3900 -- Vig so far = 950 -- Banker @ 1900 bet
99 hands, Real bets total = -5900 -- Vig so far = 950 -- Player @ 2000 bet
100 hands, Real bets total = -7900 -- Vig so far = 950 -- Player @ 2000 bet
101 hands, Real bets total = -5900 -- Vig so far = 1050 -- Banker @ 2000 bet
102 hands, Real bets total = -3800 -- Vig so far = 1155 -- Banker @ 2100 bet
103 hands, Real bets total = -1600 -- Vig so far = 1265 -- Banker @ 2200 bet
104 hands, Real bets total = 700 -- Vig so far = 1380 -- Banker @ 2300 bet
105 hands, Real bets total = -1700 -- Vig so far = 1380 -- Player @ 2400 bet
106 hands, Real bets total = 700 -- Vig so far = 1500 -- Banker @ 2400 bet
107 hands, Real bets total = -1800 -- Vig so far = 1500 -- Player @ 2500 bet
108 hands, Real bets total = -4300 -- Vig so far = 1500 -- Player @ 2500 bet
109 hands, Real bets total = -6800 -- Vig so far = 1500 -- Player @ 2500 bet
110 hands, Real bets total = -9300 -- Vig so far = 1500 -- Player @ 2500 bet
111 hands, Real bets total = -11800 -- Vig so far = 1500 -- Player @ 2500 bet
112 hands, Real bets total = -9300 -- Vig so far = 1625 -- Banker @ 2500 bet
113 hands, Real bets total = -11900 -- Vig so far = 1625 -- Player @ 2600 bet
114 hands, Real bets total = -9300 -- Vig so far = 1755 -- Banker @ 2600 bet
115 hands, Real bets total = -12000 -- Vig so far = 1755 -- Player @ 2700 bet
116 hands, Real bets total = -9300 -- Vig so far = 1890 -- Banker @ 2700 bet
117 hands, Real bets total = -6500 -- Vig so far = 2030 -- Banker @ 2800 bet
118 hands, Real bets total = -9400 -- Vig so far = 2030 -- Player @ 2900 bet
119 hands, Real bets total = -12300 -- Vig so far = 2030 -- Player @ 2900 bet
120 hands, Real bets total = -9400 -- Vig so far = 2175 -- Banker @ 2900 bet
121 hands, Real bets total = -12400 -- Vig so far = 2175 -- Player @ 3000 bet
122 hands, Real bets total = -9400 -- Vig so far = 2325 -- Banker @ 3000 bet
123 hands, Real bets total = -12500 -- Vig so far = 2325 -- Player @ 3100 bet
124 hands, Real bets total = -9400 -- Vig so far = 2480 -- Banker @ 3100 bet
125 hands, Real bets total = -12600 -- Vig so far = 2480 -- Player @ 3200 bet
126 hands, Real bets total = -15800 -- Vig so far = 2480 -- Player @ 3200 bet
127 hands, Real bets total = -12600 -- Vig so far = 2640 -- Banker @ 3200 bet
128 hands, Real bets total = -9300 -- Vig so far = 2805 -- Banker @ 3300 bet
129 hands, Real bets total = -12700 -- Vig so far = 2805 -- Player @ 3400 bet
130 hands, Real bets total = -9300 -- Vig so far = 2975 -- Banker @ 3400 bet
131 hands, Real bets total = -5800 -- Vig so far = 3150 -- Banker @ 3500 bet
132 hands, Real bets total = -2200 -- Vig so far = 3330 -- Banker @ 3600 bet
133 hands, Real bets total = 1500 -- Vig so far = 3515 -- Banker @ 3700 bet
134 hands, Real bets total = 5300 -- Vig so far = 3705 -- Banker @ 3800 bet

 

The sim is running in Dollars like 1 unit = $100, -20 = -$2,000

So -$200,000 = -2,000 units.

 

When a series is very difficult the Vig piles up.

 

This is the second time I've looked at this. It is wrong, again. Or more accurately. It is "still" wrong. Plain as day. Surprised Jae hasn't said anything about it. Then again maybe he did, and for some inexplicable reason a man of your talents can't get it right?
Maybe he was tired of you getting it wrong, when it is so easy to understand. Maybe he didn't like you trying to play with him like you are MEGAMIND or some other diabolical villain. Maybe he wanted you to put some effort into it, like you want all of us to put into figuring out what RR is.
Maybe he got tired of you changing the rules so it would work for Roulette. Maybe he got tired of being manipulated into adjusting his personal success into a workable solution for you and Roulette with zero fucking respect from you while he did it.
Maybe he realized you aren't worth the time as all you really want to do is infect every thread with some nostalgic narcissism of how you were the greatest extreme skier (un)known to man before extreme skiing was a thing some time way back in the 1900's. Followed shortly with reference to being a great contractor. Until finally we come to the hilarious conclusion of you destroying the casinos with 3 well placed 90 dollar bets. Sometimes your music endeavours get an honorable mention. Lately it has been all about programming.
Maybe just maybe, he is dedicating valuable time trying desperately to figure out a way to help you understand something well within the realm of your grasp without having to hold your hand every step of the way. Clearly a better man than I, and thrice the man you could have ever hoped to be.

Baccaritic

 

I repeat,

Did your program have a running total of the session bankroll to make sure it didn't make a bet it couldn't cover? Like say, all the bets accounting for the last 30,000 dollars or so of bets?
Or did it assume you would write a check for the 35k in vig after a 200k bust?
Quite possible you are missing several busted BRs.

Baccaritic

 

Maybe you should get a life.

 

Well it must be a great and wonderous thing to watch this crap develop.

So you only pay Vig if you win on Banker.

That should signal to everyone like a dog whistle.

I don't play Baccarat. I never learned how.

My program has been charging for the Vig on every Banker bet, win or lose.

It took an obnoxious TIC to drop the hint, after days of fighting with this thing.

I almost gave up. That was the missing thing. So why didn't somebody notice this in the telemetry?

It's right underneath your noses.

This stuff must look like hieroglyphics to some of you.

Geez. You don't pay Vig on a losing Banker bet.

Now all I have to do is tell the computer that.

 

Oh cut me to the quick!
That's real rich coming from a Roulette guy that literally lives here on the Baccarat forum.
Whatsamatter? They run you off the Roulette forum? laugh you off of it?
You got an extra one laying around? Yours are so fantastical, all of mine are more realistic and mundane.
I've always been so envious of such a glorious life you have lived, and how I wish I could be more like you. And then I ponder.... I'm not so sure I could go from the "greatest at anything I ever wanted to do" to some no name, limping along the west coast in my RV trying to panhandle some Reading Randomness garbage so I can scrape up enough money for a BR that I wont bust this time. Oh, not this time. This time won't be like the last time(s), years, I mean decades. Nearly three now isn't it? No this time I will use my visual dexterity to its upper limits and see clearly in the chaos of random a rare Global Effect and strike fear into the hearts of casino owners world wide as I destroy them
1
90
dollar
bet
at
a
time.
muhuhuhuahahahahahhhahheheheheheh

I guess it will all be worth it when you get your picture taken with your Nobel Prize standing on a dias with all the Math Zombies, and Math Nazis prostrated before you in abject humiliation.

I'm counting down the days.....
Infinity
Infinity minus one
Infinity minus two
Infinity minus three
Infinity minus four
Infinity minus five
Infinity minus six
Infinity minus seven

If only I could have one of your programmer lives I could script this ad infinitum.

Baccaritic

PS. if that ain't worth 1500 bucks, I should get an honorable mention when somebody does win it. '

B

 

Blaming others for your mistake? Could you be any more predictable? If you haven't noticed, it has been quite arduous watching Jae teach you how to code his OG for you. He charging you for all this tutoring? Definitely a tax write off for charitable contributions. Because you are definitely a charity case.
Appears you don't know how to play Roulette either.
Or code.
Why didn't YOU notice it in the telemetry?
Ten years (or longer) stalking the Bac forum and you didn't know there was no commission on a Banker loss?
What happened to all that visual dexterity? It was right underneath your nose. Might have been hieroglyphics to some, but is plain as bold type English to you.
How did YOU miss it?
That's not your only mistake hot shot. Keep searching.

Baccaritic

 

@gizmotron shouldnt every winning session cut off @2000 or 2100?

And for the last eg above, final bet should have been 600 @+1500 rather than 3700 at hand 134

 

Yes, according to the rules on Wikipedia and a few other places that describe playing OG.

But when the several times that I went asking if it should all I got was crickets. It's all here in this thread. Nobody can remove posts.

There are suggestions mentioned by Jae that he would have won more. So that caused the ambiguity.

Now you see why information and communication is somewhat important.

 

Showing how a progression grows without the win on row 6 would have been visually better.

 

Why?

 

think the only time he wins more if the count is greater than 20 when he starts. then he just goes from there

 

Is that avatar supposed to represent looking at the sun through Uranus, oh such a pretty blue. It’s almost a blue bile colour. You know green would work also. Green bile spewed on a white wall looks excellent.
Not sure of the out of the far side attacks on someone that’s posting a collaborative thread or why. Unless you are just a moron, oh no offence intended just banter between randoms on the interverse. Go create a thread of personal attacks on someone, then get naked in front of your screen, hitch the belt around your neck , hook the belt into the top of the door and wait for some replys. Oh stay hard tiger growl, I’m sure the mikey Hutchens hitch will give you endless pleasure to boot,
Sure takes all sorts eh?
A nice big skippy cheers for you. Lol

 

I made you jump through a hoop like a trick dog.

Here you are with your uninformed conclusion trying to take me down.

I just had to lie to you, a little white lie.

Look at the posted code. That's nearly from the very get go code. Vig is only accumulated on Banker wins. I sort of hoped someone would have noticed this. It's in the telemetry from the beginning also. But all I had to do was act like I didn't know it and you got a boner and your mouth began to water. You are just a trick dog. Now you are a pathetic troll.

While anyone is at it I have confirmed that Vig builds up big enough to render this a worthless system. There is nothing wrong with the sim as far as the accumulation of wins and the accumulation of Vig goes. It's been power tested and shown to be a worthless system.

The hard part is believing it.

The best part is to go for it. A $200,000 bankroll and the occasional bust. Whenever you go deep into the bankroll you can get huge amounts of Vig from the slow recovery wins it takes to recover. Denying that point does not make it go away.

 

More delusions I see. You are so desperate to be regarded as the Dodo Bird and fail to realize you are nothing more than one of the clams.

Good work proving OG didn't work. Pat yourself on the back knowing you saved millions of people from financial ruin and prevented the casinos from raking in unnecessarily huge profits.

I'm serious about the last part. Genuine. I mean it. Impossible to believe. I accept that. My own fault.
Sincerely,
Bac

 

I really wish you weren’t in this head space that makes you think you have to lie and manipulate people. Make them jump through hoops at your will. Nobody is trying to deceive you or withhold any information. You don’t have to be super spy to coerce any information from any of us. That’s simply a route you have chosen to take and continue to gloat about your ability to turn members into trick dogs.

I really wanted this testing collaboration to work out to everyone’s benefit. Whenever someone does offer up information, you jump up and down celebrating that you tricked them into doing so which is just fucking weird. While I have noticed plenty of mistakes throughout your programming, I just want to give you credit.

Assuming that your code is correct, I’ll just go ahead and give you the benefit of saying it’s all correct or just close enough to simulate results we’d see in real life.

Witnessing your sim show results of a $200,000+ Profit in 100 simulations just seemed accurate to me. And then seeing that the commission on those wins comes out to over $400,000.... wowzas! I had no idea.

Because of your accurate and vigorous testing, you have probably saved a lot of folks money on here, which is outstanding man. Very few people will ever recognize your selfless endeavor here, and the amount of work you put into this. You aren’t the hero we asked for, but the hero we deserve. Good on you.