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Roulette Reading Randomness

Discussion in 'Roulette Forum' started by gizmotron, Jul 20, 2019.

  1. gizmotron

    gizmotron Well-Known Member Founding Member

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    Have another beer, the wheel will get rounder.
     
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  3. gizmotron

    gizmotron Well-Known Member Founding Member

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    Let's regurgitate the fumbling of the search for the holy grail, the ATM-for-me casino system, and the I'm only here to give advice but don't take any of it serious shtick. Because for decades this is just for entertainment purposes only, and please don'r sue my ass off for giving you advice. Death, the great wonder of comedians on stage. That joke means you suck, big time. Here is how to take these last twenty years. You say something that makes sense in a conversation I will say "butterfly."
     
  4. gizmotron

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    Yep, in the proper thread. I'm starting to get a consensus for where this testing could be going. When I win, I tend to win about $100 per hour, in dog years. In other words I play about two hours of live B&M play in 20 to 30 minutes practice time with my teaching tool. I started testing five steps instead of seven steps. The graph shows that I went to step 4 two times. So I got to the 5th step once. This is more risky but it allows for an even smaller bankroll.

    Code:
     W | B  R | O  E | L  H | 0  6 | P | S |  --  SN  --  SP 
     nb|    X | X    |    X | X    |   | X |  --  01  --  25 
     nb| X    | X    |    X |    X | X | X |  --  02  --  31 
     nb|    X |    X | X    | X    |   |   |  --  03  --  14 
     nb| X    |    X | X    |    X | X |   |  --  04  --  06 
     nb|    X | X    |    X | X    | X |   |  --  05  --  27 
     nb| X    | X    | X    |    X | X |   |  --  06  --  17 
     nb|    X | X    |    X |    X |   | X |  --  07  --  21 
     nb|    X | X    | X    | X    |   |   |  --  08  --  09 
     nb|    X | X    | X    | X    |   |   |  --  09  --  09 
     nb| X    |    X |    X |    X |   | X |  --  10  --  22 
      -| X    | X    |    X |    X | X | X |  --  11  --  31 ( $ 0 ) Not Specials
     X | X    |    X |    X | X    |   |   |  --  12  --  26 ( $ 16 ) Not Specials
     X-|    X | X    |    X |    X |   |   |  --  13  --  19 ( $ 16 ) Odd
     X |    X |    X | X    |    X | X | X |  --  14  --  12 ( $ 34 ) Even
       |--------------------| X    | X | X |  --  15  --  37 ( $ 16 ) Even
     X | X    |    X | X    | X    | X |   |  --  16  --  02 ( $ 52 ) Even
     X |    X | X    | X    |    X | X | X |  --  17  --  05 ( $ 71 ) Primes
     X |    X | X    | X    |    X |   |   |  --  18  --  07 ( $ 87 ) Six's
       | X    | X    |    X |    X | X | X |  --  19  --  31 ( $ 69 ) Zeros
       |    X |    X |    X |    X |   |   |  --  20  --  34 ( $ 33 ) Zeros
     X-|    X | X    |    X | X    |   | X |  --  21  --  25 ( $ 33 ) Red
       |    X | X    |    X |    X |   |   |  --  22  --  19 ( $ -21 ) Zeros
     X |    X |    X |    X | X    |   | X |  --  23  --  30 ( $ 69 ) Zeros
     X |    X | X    |    X | X    |   | X |  --  24  --  23 ( $ 117 ) Not Primes
       | X    |    X | X    |    X |   |   |  --  25  --  08 ( $ 81 ) Red
       |--------------------| X    | X | X |  --  26  --  38 ( $ 27 ) Red
       | X    |    X | X    |    X | X |   |  --  27  --  06 ( $ -63 ) Red
     X |    X | X    | X    |    X |   |   |  --  28  --  07 ( $ 63 ) Red
     X-| X    |    X | X    |    X | X |   |  --  29  --  06 ( $ 63 ) Black
     X | X    |    X | X    | X    | X |   |  --  30  --  02 ( $ 99 ) Black
       | X    |    X |    X |    X |   | X |  --  31  --  22 ( $ 79 ) Not Specials
     X |    X | X    |    X |    X |   |   |  --  32  --  19 ( $ 111 ) Not Specials
       |    X | X    |    X | X    |   | X |  --  33  --  23 ( $ 93 ) Black
       |    X |    X |    X | X    |   | X |  --  34  --  30 ( $ 57 ) Black
       |    X |    X |    X | X    |   |   |  --  35  --  36 ( $ 3 ) Black
     X | X    |    X | X    |    X | X |   |  --  36  --  06 ( $ 93 ) Black
      -| X    |    X |    X |    X |   | X |  --  37  --  20 ( $ 93 ) Odd
      -|--------------------| X    | X | X |  --  38  --  37 ( $ 93 ) Black
      -| X    |    X |    X |    X |   | X |  --  39  --  20 ( $ 93 ) Not Specials
      -| X    | X    | X    | X    |   | X |  --  40  --  13 ( $ 93 ) Primes
       |    X | X    | X    |    X |   |   |  --  41  --  07 ( $ 76 ) Primes
     X |    X |    X |    X |    X | X | X |  --  42  --  32 ( $ 114 ) Primes
       |--------------------| X    | X | X |  --  43  --  37 ( $ 94 ) Not Primes
     X | X    |    X | X    | X    |   | X |  --  44  --  10 ( $ 126 ) Not Primes
       |    X | X    | X    |    X |   |   |  --  45  --  07 ( $ 108 ) Black
     X | X    | X    |    X |    X | X | X |  --  46  --  31 ( $ 144 ) Black
       | X    | X    |    X | X    |   |   |  --  47  --  29 ( $ 126 ) Specials
       |--------------------| X    | X | X |  --  48  --  38 ( $ 86 ) Not Primes
       | X    |    X | X    |    X | X |   |  --  49  --  06 ( $ 26 ) Not Primes
     X | X    |    X |    X |    X |   | X |  --  50  --  20 ( $ 106 ) Not Primes
     X | X    | X    |    X | X    |   |   |  --  51  --  29 ( $ 154 ) Not Specials
       |--------------------| X    | X | X |  --  52  --  37 ( $ 118 ) Black
     X | X    |    X | X    | X    |   | X |  --  53  --  10 ( $ 172 ) Black
     X | X    | X    |    X | X    |   | X |  --  54  --  35 ( $ 208 ) Zeros
    
    and graph that goes with this chart:

    graph6.png
     
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  5. gizmotron

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    I'm going to use this in a new way. I have already proven to myself that I can run my methods at $90 bets, $5 chips on 18 numbers selected, all straight up bets on the inside. This is the equivalence of betting $90 on Player, the Pass Line, or Red /Black. I have already proven to myself a 4.66 to 1 win loss ratio where 2.33 to 1 is break even. That session bankroll is $630.

    I stop at $250+ as a three net win session with flat betting only style. I stop at seven net losses, (-$630), regardless of wins along the way. So now I can use a four step progression that steps up and down in combination with $90 flat betting. This will smooth out the edges and progress to the $200+ point. So it's a stepped up & down progression with 4 steps combined with step 4 flat betting. It still uses virtual bets to watch out for losing streaks. Progression is: $18, $36, $54, and $90.

    I don't think anyone is really interested at this point. I'm going to slack off a little with the bandwidth.
     
  6. Nathan Detroit

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    +For many EC players H L and O E are of no interest. You yourself are favoring only one bet selection .


    By keeping it simple it will attract more attention.



    ND
     
  7. gizmotron

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    I offered simple. I just showed on group, R / B. My students have never had trouble tracking and playing 12 sets. But they all had one thing. They were interested and proved it by paying for my time. They asked questions and got every question answered. Here it is like, get the fuck out of my Baccarat zone. Never mind that Baccarat is an EC game. I'm just laughing my head off at the rules for specific sequences trip. It's without question so infantile. Specially the part where they barge head long into shit. It's like crash test dummies needing to hit the wall a thousand times just to discover something. But that is the nature of gambling forums. They are made up of experienced players that just keep making the same mistakes for decades and newbies that have all the mistakes ahead of them if they continue.

    So I'm favoring every group that is made up of 12 sets, not just one selection, and not just one characteristic. I don't give a rat's ass if learning how I beat a casino is too tough for most people. So I will show you how to find stuff that is a monster like opportunity while at the same time just the Red / Black is not doing much at the same time.

    In the chart below an almost perfect characteristic of randomness occurs. It has one flaw from perfection before it starts to lose and change. In the 0 / 6 section of the chart starting at spin 1 up until spin 44 you have almost perfect singles on the 0's side, that's the 18 numbers closest to the zeros. The 20 numbers farthest away from the zeros is what hits a lot more. That is a monster sized opportunity to take huge earnings from the Roulette Table.

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     W | B  R | O  E | L  H | 0  6 | P | S |  --  SN  --  SP 
     nb|    X |    X | X    |    X | X |   |  --  01  --  18 
     nb|    X | X    | X    | X    | X |   |  --  02  --  01 
     nb| X    |    X |    X |    X |   | X |  --  03  --  22 
     nb|    X |    X |    X |    X |   |   |  --  04  --  34 
     nb| X    | X    | X    |    X |   | X |  --  05  --  15 
     nb|    X | X    |    X |    X |   | X |  --  06  --  21 
     nb| X    |    X |    X | X    |   |   |  --  07  --  24 
     nb| X    | X    |    X |    X |   | X |  --  08  --  33 
     nb| X    |    X | X    |    X |   |   |  --  09  --  08 
     nb|    X | X    |    X | X    |   | X |  --  10  --  25 
     nb|    X | X    | X    | X    |   |   |  --  11  --  09 
     nb| X    | X    |    X |    X | X | X |  --  12  --  31 
     nb|    X |    X |    X |    X |   |   |  --  13  --  34 
     nb|    X | X    | X    |    X | X | X |  --  14  --  05 
     nb| X    |    X |    X | X    |   |   |  --  15  --  24 
     nb|    X |    X | X    |    X | X | X |  --  16  --  12 
     nb|    X |    X | X    | X    |   |   |  --  17  --  14 
     nb|    X | X    | X    |    X |   |   |  --  18  --  07 
     nb|    X | X    | X    |    X | X | X |  --  19  --  05 
     nb| X    | X    | X    |    X |   | X |  --  20  --  15 
     nb| X    |    X | X    | X    | X |   |  --  21  --  02 
     nb| X    | X    |    X |    X | X | X |  --  22  --  31 
     nb|    X | X    |    X |    X |   | X |  --  23  --  21 
     nb|    X |    X |    X |    X | X | X |  --  24  --  32 
     nb|    X | X    |    X | X    |   | X |  --  25  --  25 
     nb|    X | X    | X    |    X | X | X |  --  26  --  05 
     nb| X    |    X | X    |    X | X |   |  --  27  --  04 
     nb|    X | X    | X    | X    | X |   |  --  28  --  01 
     nb|    X |    X | X    |    X | X | X |  --  29  --  12 
     nb|    X |    X |    X | X    |   | X |  --  30  --  30 
     nb| X    | X    |    X |    X |   | X |  --  31  --  33 
     nb| X    |    X | X    |    X | X |   |  --  32  --  06 
     nb| X    | X    | X    |    X | X | X |  --  33  --  11 
     nb| X    |    X |    X |    X |   | X |  --  34  --  22 
     nb| X    | X    | X    |    X | X | X |  --  35  --  11 
     nb| X    |    X |    X | X    |   |   |  --  36  --  24 
     nb| X    |    X | X    |    X | X |   |  --  37  --  06 
     nb| X    |    X | X    |    X | X |   |  --  38  --  04 
     nb|--------------------| X    | X | X |  --  39  --  37 
     nb| X    | X    | X    |    X | X |   |  --  40  --  17 
     nb|    X |    X |    X |    X | X | X |  --  41  --  32 
     nb|    X | X    |    X |    X |   | X |  --  42  --  21 
     nb|    X | X    | X    |    X | X |   |  --  43  --  03 
     nb| X    |    X |    X | X    |   |   |  --  44  --  26 
     nb|    X |    X |    X | X    |   | X |  --  45  --  30 
     nb|    X | X    |    X | X    |   | X |  --  46  --  25 
     nb| X    |    X |    X |    X |   | X |  --  47  --  22 
    
     
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  8. Nathan Detroit

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    So much fuss is made about that Baccarat . Choose either B or P or follow the table .


    Take a stand and be consequential . As simple as that .Not every hand has to be played .


    Those cats have already a case of battle fatigue before the battle .



    Baccarat is just another EC and in between my roulette sessions I many times played a session of Baccarat .


    ND
     
  9. gizmotron

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    So this makes me feel it.

     
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    I play Craps at times when I'm done concentrating on taking the casinos money at Roulette. It's free entertainment too. The idiots are drunk and blazing a trail of doom. They get so caught up in the moments and others get the contact buzz too. It's always from 11:00 to 1:00 at night. It's the idiots parade. They are blind to the opportunities in the trends. They fall for the usual expectations that some magic bullshit is due. And they throw all their winnings into their win streaks. They just blast away until they lose everything and then saunter off somewhere sulking as if they just accomplished their goal. You bet! Gambling is my life.
     
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    HUH?? If you want to win on a consistent basis, there is a lot more one can do. Follow the table and fall off a cliff like a load of lemmings :D

    You want to gamble or do you want to win?
     
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    I have no idea why I'm doing this. I was hoping for an intelligent conversation. In the example above there is a primary way to attack this opportunity. You have the zero's hitting almost perfectly as single for 44 spins in a row. The answer to the best strategy is to flat bet the strong side. You will hit three extra loses along the way. You will hit the first double's loss and the two losses from the first three in a row at the end. The rule is the first three in a row on the weak side ends the trend. I call it a rule. It's just good advice on how to exit the pattern. I always figure out what makes a trend look like it is ending. Three in a row on a swarm of singles on the weak side is an ending where the occasional double hits a few times. Meanwhile you pick up all but three extras on all those singles on the weak side. You just kill it on the strong sides. All you need is guts, experience, and the bankroll to enter the trend. You must have enough experience and guts to take on any super trends possibility of a starting point. You can tell when you are in a monster trend when you already have all the losses covered. You can keep going with your flat bets. Don't parlay your winnings. That is a stupid thing to do if you keep going. And wishing a parley will win is an idiots foolishness.
     
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  13. Nathan Detroit

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    Times have changed. Less interest in some table games .
     
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    This idea of having one data string of Player / Banker, Pass / Don't Pass, dealer / player in Blackjack... are there etc...? I wrote my own layout betting graphics back in the internet days of Shockwave. I can't remember what it was but it seems like there were 185+ different ways to place a bet in Roulette. When you add to that your own custom made groups for dozens or splits like any unique 18 numbers and you have possibilities for all kinds of data streams. Of course it takes more than average intelligence to keep track of six data cluster streams, all at the same time, where 12 sets of splits for EC's and / or four sets of triples, (unique dozens) compiling 12 sets for those four groupings are concerned. When you add to that data mining skills that show obvious opportunities, then you have opportunities coming out of your ears almost continuously. Not to belittle the unwashed here, but it's just downright pathetic to watch morons become experts at reading the tea leaves from a one branched tree. It's like watching a man dry-to-the-bone-with-thirst see the one little muddy puddle up ahead and then yells Eureka!

    I look right past the shitty streaks to smash the obvious better streaks running parallel at the same time.

    You must first learn how to walk before you can run. Ignore Roulette. Don't even go near it if you are superstitious.
     
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    It appears that someone has the handle on bet selections for roulette EC ,

    But Baccarat with only a choice of either B or is worse than reading tea leaves. It`s a joke to read the posts there .


    A simple game being made complicated .


    A guy with a simple 10 decision scenario was roped in to follow their complicated crap . The cat is now : Lost in nowhere .He was better off before coming to the forum .




    Th
     
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    A choice of bankers or players is not like reading the tea leaf! Bankers will win more bets than lose so the choice is obvious, right? I wonder what the "great" John Patrick would have to say about that, hey hey????????????????????????????????
     
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    What the heck are you gobbing off about? You can split results into multiple streams of data, just like what Gizmo does for Roulette. It is far from a being a simple game, which is why a lot of payers go broke.

    Besides if it's so simple, why don't you no longer play it??
     
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    Reading randomness is about as useful as looking for patterns in the clouds.
     
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    The "great" gizmotron has spoken. Some of you guys wouldn't know an opportunity if it came up behind you and bit you in the ass. In music "less is more." In guessing opportunities from games of chance more is more. You can dump the shitty hands for the good hands. There are 6 to 20 or more if you want them. When Black or Red sucks, Odd or Even could be going on a rampage domination. When Banker / Player looks like Slim Pickens the actor, the Pass / Don't Pass lines just behind you on the Craps table could be blazing a massive outbreak of back to back win streaks. It's like having six deals from six shoes all at one table. There are just better shoes to play at the same time. Only you can't get a table like that with cards.

    Like I suggest. Don't see this. These are not the droids that you are looking for.
     
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    Cool, Godzilla, with a Rodan fly by! You can bet your ass is dead meat if you growl at him. BTW, past spins can't predict future outcomes. I hope you know that?
     
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