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Roulette Red/Black Pattern Betting

Discussion in 'Roulette Forum' started by David Gregory, Sep 14, 2019 at 12:20 AM.

  1. David Gregory

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    I am 73 years old and have been developing roulette betting strategies since I was in my mid 20's without much luck until recently.

    I have researched and tried almost every betting system out there. I tested these systems along with my own on 4 different, online roulette simulators along with videos of actual roulette wheel spins. At first, many of them (including mine) seemed to work quite well, but eventually they all crashed and burned.

    A couple of months ago it dawned on me after much observation of the black and red patterns that form randomly, I needed to approach a betting method much differently then the basic approach of what has been done in the past. Instead of developing a system that tries to anticipate what may happen, I took the opposite approach of what most likely cannot happen. Or at least the odds of it not happening are extremely favorable. In other words, how can I take advantage of these sheer random patterns.

    First of all, there is one thing I have determined for sure, the Martingale betting procedure is the only one that works the best. I have tried them all. It is a given that you must recoup losses quickly if you ever plan to make a profit. We all know the downfall of using this doubling down approach, it can cause a heavy loss; especially depending on the size of the base bet and the amount of times doubled. However, if you have a betting system that wins quite a bit more times than it looses, now you're talking.

    Here is my betting system, and following I will post my testing results:

    It is totally based on the idea of what I stated earlier: And that is, what most likely CANNOT HAPPEN. Or what are the odds in my favor that it will not happen.

    The roulette wheel spins 10 times and this is the result: B B R B R R R B B R.

    What are the odds that the next 10 spins will duplicate that exact pattern in that exact order?

    The odds are 1 chance in 1,024 it will not repeat exactly. A ten spin pattern would require betting a base bet then doubling your bet nine times if you lose. However, I have never had to bet on a pattern of more than 8. The odds here are 1 in 256.

    The following is the results of testing this system on both online roulette simulators and videos of actual roulette wheel spins. All games were played on a European, single O wheel.

    1. Total number of games played: 184
    2. Win goal per game 500.00
    3. Base bet: 10.00. Martingale to 1,280.00
    4. Total number of spins: 18,054
    5. Total number of O's encountered: 556
    6. Total number of games won: 161
    7. Total number of games lost: 23
    8. Total earnings: 46,970.00

    The actual procedure for this system is not explained here. It is a little more involved than I want to post at this time. However, if I get enough interest, I will post the complete details.
     
  2. Naughty but nice

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    Post in riddles, Turbo does or did; some can decipher his riddles. Good luck.
     
  3. David Gregory

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    I'm sorry Mr. Naughty but Nice, what language did you reply in?
     
  4. Junket King

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    You don't have to recoup any losses quickly, because if the inevitable happens, then you are doomed.

    I know this is roulette, I posted a Baccarat sequence some time back, were 22 x 50-50 outcomes repeated, 1,759,218,604,416 /1 of that happening, so don't hold out much for a 1024/1 shot being absent for long, also you make no mention of the zero.
     
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    Fixed it for you.
     
  6. David Gregory

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    You say I make no mention of the zero. Read my test results. I encountered 556 zeros in the 184 games I played. That averages about 3 zeros per game. However, sometimes I only encountered 1 zero in a game and other times as many as 8 per game. The average number of spins per game is approximately 98 to win 500.00. Of course the zero is always the problem because it interrupts the pattern. Furthermore, the zero only caused me to lose 23 out of 184 games played. That's only a .125 percent loss of all games played.
     
  7. albalaha

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    It is a 10 step martingale merely and nothing else. It is also rare to get a 10 step loss equally, irrespective of the series you pick to bet from last 10 decisions or anywhere else.
    You can try one more thing:
    Make a 10 step random order of Rs and Bs, everytime you starting to bet a martingale like:
    RBRBRBRBRB OR BBBBBRRRRR OR BBRRBBRRBB OR RRRRRRRRRR OR BBBBBBBBBB OR ANYTHING WITH Bs AND Rs.
    YOU WILL PRECISELY GET SAME RESULT.

    Remember a fundamental thing: You can not change the probability with jumping around randomness on any belief. In good variance with you, even the silliest idea will work.

    RISKING 1000 UNITS TO WIN 1 IS THE LAST THING ONE SHOULD TRY.
     

  8. David Gregory

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    I appreciate your comments and the time you took to put together the above red and black patterns which is very possible to actually be spun in that order. Let's use the above example of your red/black patterns to prove my point. But rather then seperating them in five groups of 10, we will view them as a continuous group of 50.

    Let's start with a 10.00 base unit using a 10 step martingale. We will only bet on red.

    Betting the patterns from left to right the red hits 24 times before the series of 10 blacks appear.. A win of 240.00. As you continue to bet, the 10 blacks appear, which generates a loss of 10,240.00 minus the 240.00 you won initially. A loss of 10,000.

    Now let's bet only on black starting from left to right, the black hits 16 times before the series of reds appear for a win of 160.00. But the series of 10 reds in a row generates a loss of 10,240.00 minus the 160.00 won.

    Now let's look at my system and see what happens. I wait for the first 10 patterns to appear then bet the opposite color.

    The first series of 10: R B R B R B R B R B
    I will bet: B R B R B R B R B R
    My first bet will be on black.
    The next series starts with a Black so I continue betting black and win 5 times in a row against the second series. I win 50.00.
    The net spin after the 5 blacks produces a red in the second 10 series so I lose and move one color right on my pattern and bet red. The red hits 4 more times so I have a win of 40.00, a total win of 90.00 at this point.
    I continue to bet red but the first color of the third series is a black, so I lose and move right to the next color in my betting series to bet the color black. I win 10.00. A total win of 100.00 at this point.
    So I continue to bet black but lose to the red ( the third color in the third series) so I move to the right in my betting series and bet red. I win. If I continue betting against the third series moving over one color when I lose, I win 50.00. A total win of 150.00 so far.
    My first betting pattern of 10 is exhausted at this point so I use the following series to bet next.
    The second series: B B B B B R R R R R
    I will bet: R R R R R B B B B B
    The fourth pattern above that I will bet against is a series of 10 reds.
    According to my betting pattern, I start betting on red and win 10 times in a row. I win 100.00. A total win of 250.00 to this point.
    According to my pattern I will continue to bet red five times in a row against the fifth pattern of 10 blacks.
    I move right five times and lose five times, so I am now going to move right again and bet black according to my betting pattern and I win 5 times in a row. A win of 50.00. Game over and a total win of 300.00 dollars and that's a far cry from losing 10,000.00. And furthermore, it is not hardly the same results as you stated above. My largest bet has only been 160.00.

    There are other rules I have developed that avoid certain pit falls. I do not use a betting pattern series that has more than 6 of the same color in a row. For example: If you would have produced the patterns above in reverse and the series started with 10 blacks followed by 10 reds, I would skip those series and use the third group as my betting series against the other two group. I played it out and would have won playing that game also. If you wanted to spend a whole lot of time and try to present me with a peculiar series of patterns that would defeat this system, I guess you could. However, what are the chances of that series appearing exactly as you may develop. And another thing, I watch for those things and bet accordingly.
     
  9. albalaha

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    i TOLD YOU THAT YOU CAN NOT STEP OUT OF PROBABILITY BY PICKING ANYTHING. YOU MAY BE LUCKY FOR A WHILE TO WIN MORE AND LOSE LESS. IF YOU CAN SIMULATE YOUR BET, U WILL KNOW THAT U R GOING TO LOSE FINALLY.
    BEST OF LUCK.
     
  10. Benas

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    Why 10 is better than 9 or 11, or some other number? For example, if you use 9 spins sequence then in the same situation your first bet is R.
    This my example shows that here is no relationship between past and future....
     
  11. David Gregory

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    I actually wait 12 or more spins before I start betting and I only use a 7 step martingale. After 12 or more spins when I start betting, I write down every spin following. But I write down the opposite of the color that appears. My reasoning for waiting 12 or more spins before I bet the opposite of the first 7 numbers is to put a little space between the first pattern I bet to avoid the possibility of the first pattern immediately repeating. I have seen that happen once in 184 games. Because of the fact I continue to bet the winning color, the future spins start putting the patterns I bet further and further away from the coming spin.

    I have read that patterns in roulette do not actually exist. They are only a figment of the imagination. And as you stated, "There is no relationship between past and future."

    First of all, patterns in roulette do exist. When that ball rolls around the wheel and drops into a certain pocket, that is an actual happening, an actual event that physically took place. It wasn't something we just imagined. When the ball rolls around the wheel 7 times and drops into 7 various pockets, we have an actual pattern of red and blacks that was created. Not a figment of the imagination. A real happening that took place. Now let's deal with the statement that there is no relationship between past and future events.

    Here's the reality. Everything we do in life (if we are wise) is based on past events. Those past events do not actually exist any more, they are only in our memory. And as in Roulette, those past events do not have a memory either. But we still make choices based on what happened in the past.

    And the point is: If the wheel is spun 7 times, the outcome will be a certain pattern of red and blacks. Past event, true. But a happening that actually took place. So therefore I have something to actually go by because of the physical ball and wheel which create these patterns.

    Let's look at it this way. You're in a situation having been abducted by bad guys and you are given two choices to make that your life depends upon. They are going to flip a coin 7 times and record the results. Such as: H H T H T T H. They are going to flip the coin 7 more times and the choice you have to make is, will the coin repeat that exact pattern in that exact order the next 7 flips or not. What choice would you make? Will it repeat or will it not repeat. If you were challenged a 1,000 more times with having to make the same choice to save your life, what choice would you make for the next 1,000-7 coin flip patterns. I think I know the choice you would make every time.

    However, in reality, our life does not depend on the choices we make when placing bets on the outcome of the roulette spins, but our pocketbook sure does. For my money, I will take the stand that a particular pattern will NOT REPEAT. But you will probably have an argument against this choice anyway. Even though in the scenario of the coin flips in order to save your life, you would choose every time that the pattern will not repeat. Why would you depend on that choice to be the best choice a 1,000 times in a row, then argue against it. In other words, we make a choice based on what we believe will give us the absolute best odds. Make the same choice a million times, and yes, it will get us killed eventually. But no one lives forever, but maybe long enough.
     
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    I missed one of your comments and I have a reply to that. The Baccarat sequence you mentioned, it still all comes down to probabilities. Will that losing sequence emerge at 7:00 am, Tuesday, September 16th, 2019 and defeat me? The probability of that sequence happening at the exact time and day that I am playing is at about the same odds as that sequence happening its self. I would bet my entire bankroll that it will not happen. I have a 1 in 256 chance that the particular patterns that I am betting against will not repeat. Show me any other betting system that has those odds. Ah ha you may say. just bet the same color such as red and don't change and you have the same odds of 1 in 256 that black will not show up 8 times in a row. Wait a minute, you have seen it, I have seen it and everybody has seen a series of 8 or more of the same color show up in a row many times during a game. The way I bet, a long series of a color is usually to my advantage because I will eventually hit that color in my pattern and get to ride the streak. I constantly scan all the patterns I choose to bet and make sure they do not have more than 4 of the same color in a row.
     
  13. Junket King

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    True that, but I must have been there to see it, what happens outside me being around is like you say irrelevant.

    Thanks for sharing your roulette option, not many share nowadays, value or otherwise, I suggest people take it or leave it.
     
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    Nice comment, I appreciate it.

    Look, for the many, many years I have goofed around with roulette, you do begin to notice some constants. There are literally thousands of roulette betting systems and strategies out there. Either free (and that's exactly what thy're worth) or you pay to buy them. Worthless investment except for maybe some good tips and advice they may offer. It would be better to take the price of the book and place it on one of the colors. I have always been intrigued with roulette because if you bet the even money outside bets you almost have a 50/50 chance. My whole theory behind my attempts to invent my own strategy is that there has to be a combination of various probabilities that when combined together equal the probability of having the best, ultimate odds in your favor. But it seems that most so called roulette gurus keep screaming" The house edge, the house edge, you cannot over come the house edge." Screw the house edge. I think the truth of the matter is, you cannot remove the house edge, but you can get above it. If you look at the statistics of the 184 games I played, I only lost 23. There's their damnable house edge and they can have it. I recouped those losses and came out ahead 46,970.00. I bumped into 556 zeros during the course of play which is where where the house gets its edge. I played a game one time when the zero came up ten times, and I won that game anyway.

    I have heard that most systems are tested for a thousand spins to see if they have any validity or not. I tested mine for over 18,000 spins and came out ahead. I wonder if that means anything. Someone would probably jump in here and say: Ya, but what will it do in a million spins. Who gives a rat's, a million spins from now and my great, great grandchildren will be trying come up with a way to beat roulette.
     

  15. frankg1974

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    I have solved the riddle of roulette by researching bias wheels. I do not think pattern exist in roullete.I have seen whole board black and red several times
    If you want to win pay attention to wheel not patterns that has been my experience.
     
  16. Nathan Detroit

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    David Gregory ,


    Sounds rather time consuming and holding on to your seat when not betting ?



    ND
     
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    A freaking day job is time consuming. No problem holding on to my seat, I only play online Roulette. Even if I played at a live casino, I can immediately play and not get up from the seat. I would just write down the reverse of the last 12 posted colors and start my betting and continue to bet every spin after.

    Question: Every Roulette Guru, every mathematician and everybody who has seriously studied the game of roulette say that because of the house edge you will eventually loose in the long run. What is the long run?

    Now the real question is: Are they all saying that eventually over the long run you will lose every game you play, most of the games you play, half of the games you play, etc.?

    If you have a system that wins constantly more times than you lose, is that good enough to defeat the house edge? And of course the statement is true that you will eventually lose. I know this, and everybody else knows this. But will you always lose your bankroll to the negative side and never able to recoup?

    Here is the record of my system in wins and losses: W=500.00 won. L=1,524.00 (average loss)

    WWWWWWWWWWWWW L WWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW L W L WWWWWWW L W L WWWWWW LL WWWWW L WWW L WWW L W L WWWW LL WWWWWWWW LL WWWWWWWWWW L WWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW LL WWWWWWWWWWWWWW L WWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW L WWW L WWWWWWWWW LLL WWW

    Analyze the above if you can. Is everyone saying that eventually all the Wins will turn to Losses and all the Losses will turn to Wins?

    Because of the fact I play to a win of 500.00, I only need to win 3.048 games to recoup 1 loss (1,524.00). Looks like I am WELL within that parameter.

    What say you?
     
  18. Nathan Detroit

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    David Gregory ,



    Thanks for your reply . I thought it would be time consuming but on line makes it much simpler .

    Well worked out system on your part .



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    You are making one big mistake here. You are looking for an exact pattern not to repeat. But you are betting against something that just happened, so you already know that it can happen. You need to get clever here. I would put intervals of interruption into your Martingale steps. Look at the ceiling and see how many light bulbs are in the chandelier. divide by lucky 7 and wait that amount of spins before continuing the progression. Next time count the number of players that all get up in the next 5 seconds. Then wait that number of spins before continuing the pattern. Yep, pattern interrupts are the ticket. Just come up with some magic beans and smoke them. Yikes.
     
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    Mr. Gizmotron, you are brilliant, you support my system exactly as designed. You said: "You are looking for an exact pattern not to repeat." Exactly right. "You are betting against something that just happened" You are exactly right again. Then you said: "So you already know that it can happen." No, not exactly right. I know that it did happen once, that's what I know. I do not know that it can happen AGAIN, and that's the beauty of it. It did happen once, so what are the odds it will happen again? What are the odds that it will ever repeat again during a whole session of approximately 98 spins? The one thing you have to keep in mind is, I am not always betting against the same pattern through out the game. I may bet against 5 or more different patterns during a session. Now here is where the odds get favorable, what are the chances of a particular pattern that I am betting against at a particular moment in time to repeat at the exact moment in time I am betting against it? I do not think that you or anyone can answer that question. I know the statements about the light bulbs and the number of players who get up in the next 5 seconds is just a little sarcastic on your part, and you and I know it has absolutely nothing to do with what we are talking about.

    There is a big difference between just random betting and selected, purposeful random betting. To bet against a pattern that has been delivered by the wheel is a structured, purposeful bet progression. If the pattern I am betting against is R R B R B B B, I bet the opposite of those colors. my first bet is black, if I lose I bet black again, if I lose I bet red etc. I am not just betting randomly, picking colors out of the chandelier. I am purposefully betting against a pattern that appeared previously. I am counting on the fact that the wheel has no memory and decides to repeat that pattern because it was so lovely in its wheelie little mind.
     
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